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nuseri
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Post by nuseri »

To kmaherali:Ya ALI Madad.
None of your answers are convincing.
As for aAbuali,why bring chunara name along, He was mandated.
As for going against Imam.
It was a direct order n statement,I read somewhere that the word Hari to be changed to Ali.
Abuali in waez which is recorded said in Andheri Jk .in Hindustani wording.
Agar hari ko hari rahene dete,kya kutte katne aate.
He is in a way he called dogs to those who changed that word in indirect way.
He should have been bashed to up to heaven on that very day.
He was total failure where waez was concerned. Info n oratary skill does not a Alwaez totally.
He did NOT understand a word of baatin or express it.
Many scholars who adore him will be failed haqiqatis in this phase of life.
Please do quality reading besides wholesale copy pasting. I am not asking for understanding.
God bless you.
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nuseri wrote: It was a direct order n statement,I read somewhere that the word Hari to be changed to Ali.

Your position on the issue is well known and though you have been challenged and informed that your statement of changing Hari to Ali is not only wrong but is a plain lie, you are persisting in posting again and again the same, thinking that by repeating it, people will come to believe in what you say. There is no logic in your behavior.

Secondly, your hate for Abualy is well know. Do not feel obliged to insult him in a repeat basis, especially knowing that he is dead and will not defend himself on this Forum.

Though I did not always agree with Abualy Missionary, one has to recognize that he was one of the most learned person of his period and his knowledge of Ismailism, following his many meetings our Imam, was unparalleled in his time. He was much more dependable then you are and had more credibility than you may ever have, so please have some respect.

Now please translate me these two statements and please tell me if they mean the same thing in plain language:

Ali Rupe Hari Awiya

Ali Rupe Ali Awiya
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To Nuseri, stop talking of your fixation on Khojas and Abualy and start talking of Tabriz.

You can write 20 pages to explain why you hate Khojas or Abualy but I will delete them like I just deleted your last post.

If you have nothing of substance to say refrain from posting here. I did not allow Mazhar to throw his garbage here and I will not allow you also.

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Post by sameernoorani5 »

Admin wrote:To Nuseri, stop talking of your fixation on Khojas and Abualy and start talking of Tabriz.

You can write 20 pages to explain why you hate Khojas or Abualy but I will delete them like I just deleted your last post.

If you have nothing of substance to say refrain from posting here. I did not allow Mazhar to throw his garbage here and I will not allow you also.

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Mazhar is trying to stop the exodus of Ismaili youth and others to quit our Tariqa by explaining them meaning of Du'a and Preamble. If you consider this approach garbage then it is up to you wise man. I shall keep working with youth.
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Post by kmaherali »

40 Rules of Love by Shamsh Tabriz
(who was a Sufi).


God is meticulous clockmaker.

So precise is His order that everything on

earth happens in its own time.

Neither a minute late nor a minute early.




And for everyone,

without exception, the clock works accurately.

For each there is a time to love and a time to die.




The universe is one being.

Everything and everyone is interconnected

through an invisible web of stories,

whether we are aware of it or not,

we are all in a silent conversation.




Do not harm.

Practice compassion.

And do not gossip behind anyone’s

back-not even a seemingly innocent remark!




The words that come out of our mouths do

not vanish but are perpetually stored in

infinite space and they will come back to

us in due time. One man’s pain will hurt us all.

One man’s joy will make everyone smile.




Whatever happens in your life,

no matter how troubling things might seem,

do not enter the neighbourhood of despair.

Even when all the doors remain closed,

God will open up a new path only for you.

Be thankful(shukhar).




It is easy to be thankful when all is well.

A Sufi is thankful not only for what he

has been given but also for all that

he has been denied.
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Post by kmaherali »

Don't search for heaven and hell in the future.
Both are now present.
Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven.
Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell.
- Shams tabrizi

Instead of resisting to changes, surrender!
Let life be with you, not against you.
If you think "my life will be upsidedown", don't worry.
How do you know down is not better than upside?
- Shams tabrizi

It is never late to ask yourself "Am I ready to change my life, am I ready to change myself?" However old we are, whatever we went through, it is always possible to reborn.
If each day is a copy of the last one, what a pity!
Every breath is a chance to reborn.
But to reborn into a new life, you have to die before dying.
- Shams tabrizi
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Post by kmaherali »

The summary of the advice of all prophets is this: Find yourself a mirror.”
- Shams Tabriz
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Post by shivaathervedi »

Rumi said;

The truth was a mirror in the hands of God. It fell, and broke into pieces. Every body took a piece of it, they looked at it, and thought they had the truth.
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Shams of Tabriz’s 40 Rules of Love, as found in the book, “The Forty Rules of Love: A Novel of Rumi” by Elif Shafak. These 40 rules of Love are full of wisdom for every man and woman.

How we see God is a direct reflection of how we see ourselves. If God brings to mind mostly fear and blame, it means there is too much fear and blame welled inside us. If we see God as full of love and compassion, so are we.
The path to the Truth is a labour of the heart, not of the head. Make your heart your primary guide! Not your mind. Meet, challenge and ultimately prevail over your nafs (self, psyche, soul) with your heart. Knowing your ego will lead you to the knowledge of God.
You can study God through everything and everyone in the universe, because God is not confined in a mosque, synagogue or church. But if you are still in need of knowing where exactly His abode is, there is only one place to look for him: in the heart of a true lover.
Intellect and love are made of different materials. Intellect ties people in knots and risks nothing, but love dissolves all tangles and risks everything. Intellect is always cautious and advises, ‘Beware too much ecstasy’, whereas love says, ‘Oh, never mind! Take the plunge!’ Intellect does not easily break down, whereas love can effortlessly reduce itself to rubble. But treasures are hidden among ruins. A broken heart hides treasures.
Most of problems of the world stem from linguistic mistakes and simple misunderstanding. Don’t ever take words at face value. When you step into the zone of love, language, as we know it becomes obsolete. That which cannot be put into words can only be grasped through silence.
Loneliness and solitude are two different things. When you are lonely, it is easy to delude yourself into believing that you are on the right path. Solitude is better for us, as it means being alone without feeling lonely. But eventually it is the best to find a person who will be your mirror. Remember only in another person’s heart can you truly see yourself and the presence of God within you.
Whatever happens in your life, no matter how troubling things might seem, do not enter the neighbourhood of despair. Even when all doors remain closed, God will open up a new path only for you. Be thankful! It is easy to be thankful when all is well. A Sufi is thankful not only for what he has been given but also for all that he has been denied.
Patience does not mean to passively endure. It means to look at the end of a process. What does patience mean? It means to look at the thorn and see the rose, to look at the night and see the dawn. Impatience means to be shortsighted as to not be able to see the outcome. The lovers of God never run out of patience, for they know that time is needed for the crescent moon to become full.
East, west, south, or north makes little difference. No matter what your destination, just be sure to make every journey a journey within. If you travel within, you’ll travel the whole wide world and beyond.
The midwife knows that when there is no pain, the way for the baby cannot be opened and the mother cannot give birth. Likewise, for a new self to be born, hardship is necessary. Just as clay needs to go through intense heat to become strong, Love can only be perfected in pain.
The quest for love changes us. There is no seeker among those who search for love who has not matured on the way. The moment you start looking for love, you start to change within and without.
There are more fake gurus and false teachers in this world than the number of stars in the visible universe. Don’t confuse power-driven, self-centered people with true mentors. A genuine spiritual master will not direct your attention to himself or herself and will not expect absolute obedience or utter admiration from you, but instead will help you to appreciate and admire your inner self. True mentors are as transparent as glass. They let the light of God pass through them.
Try not to resist the changes, which come your way. Instead let life live through you. And do not worry that your life is turning upside down. How do you know that the side you are used to is better than the one to come?
God is busy with the completion of your work, both outwardly and inwardly. He is fully occupied with you. Every human being is a work in progress that is slowly but inexorably moving toward perfection. We are each an unfinished work of art both waiting and striving to be completed. God deals with each of us separately because humanity is fine art of skilled penmanship where every single dot is equally important for the entire picture.
It’s easy to love a perfect God, unblemished and infallible that He is. What is far more difficult is to love fellow human beings with all their imperfections and defects. Remember, one can only know what one is capable of loving. There is no wisdom without love. Unless we learn to love God’s creation, we can neither truly love nor truly know God.
Real filth is the one inside. The rest simply washes off. There is only one type of dirt that cannot be cleansed with pure waters, and that is the stain of hatred and bigotry contaminating the soul. You can purify your body through abstinence and fasting, but only love will purify your heart.
The whole universe is contained within a single human being-you. Everything that you see around, including the things that you might not be fond of and even the people you despise or abhor, is present within you in varying degrees. Therefore, do not look for Sheitan outside yourself either. The devil is not an extraordinary force that attacks from without. It is an ordinary voice within. If you set to know yourself fully, facing with honesty and hardness.
If you want to change the ways others treat you, you should first change the way you treat yourself. Unless you learn to love yourself, fully and sincerely, there is no way you can be loved. Once you achieve that stage, however, be thankful for every thorn that others might throw at you. It is a sign that you will soon be showered in roses.
Fret not where the road will take you. Instead concentrate on the first step. That is the hardest part and that is what you are responsible for. Once you take that step let everything do what it naturally does and the rest will follow. Don’t go with the flow. Be the flow.
We were all created in His image, and yet we were each created different and unique. No two people are alike. No hearts beat to the same rhythm. If God had wanted everyone to be the same, He would have made it so. Therefore, disrespecting differences and imposing your thoughts on others is tantamount to disrespecting God’s holy scheme.
When a true lover of God goes into a tavern, the tavern becomes his chamber of prayer, but when a wine bibber goes into the same chamber, it becomes his tavern. In everything we do, it is our hearts that make the difference, not our outer appearance. Sufis do not judge other people on how they look or who they are. When a Sufi stares at someone, he keeps both eyes closed instead opens a third eye – the eye that sees the inner realm.
Life is a temporary loan and this world is nothing but a sketchy imitation of Reality. Only children would mistake a toy for the real thing. And yet human beings either become infatuated with the toy or disrespectfully break it and throw it aside. In this life stay away from all kinds of extremities, for they will destroy your inner balance. Sufis do not go to extremes. A Sufi always remains mild and moderate.
The human being has a unique place among God’s creation. “I breathed into him of My Spirit,” God says. Each and every one of us without exception is designed to be God’s delegate on earth. Ask yourself, just how often do you behave like a delegate, if you ever do so? Remember, it falls upon each of us to discover the divine spirit inside and live by it.
Hell is in the here and now. So is heaven. Quit worrying about hell or dreaming about heaven, as they are both present inside this very moment. Every time we fall in love, we ascend to heaven. Every time we hate, envy or fight someone we tumble straight into the fires of hell.
Each and every reader comprehends the Holy Qur’an on a different level of tandem with the depth of his understanding. There are four levels of insight. The first level is the outer meaning and it is the one that the majority of the people are content with. Next is the Batin – the inner level. Third, there is the inner of the inner. And the fourth level is so deep it cannot be put into words and is therefore bound to remain indescribable.
The universe is one being. Everything and everyone is interconnected through an invisible web of stories. Whether we are aware of it or not, we are all in a silent conversation. Do no harm. Practice compassion. And do not gossip behind anyone’s back – not even a seemingly innocent remark! The words that come out of our mouths do not vanish but are perpetually stored in infinite space and they will come back to us in due time. One man’s pain will hurt us all. One man’s joy will make everyone smile.
Whatever you speak, good or evil, will somehow come back to you. Therefore, if there is someone who harbours ill thoughts about you, saying similarly bad things about him will only make matters worse. You will be locked in a vicious circle of malevolent energy. Instead for forty days and nights say and think nice things about that person. Everything will be different at the end of 40 days, because you will be different inside.
The past is an interpretation. The future is on illusion. The world does not move through time as if it were a straight line, proceeding from the past to the future. Instead time moves through and within us, in endless spirals. Eternity does not mean infinite time, but simply timelessness. If you want to experience eternal illumination, put the past and the future out of your mind and remain within the present moment.
Destiny doesn’t mean that your life has been strictly predetermined. Therefore, to live everything to the fate and to not actively contribute to the music of the universe is a sign of sheer ignorance. The music of the universe is all pervading and it is composed on 40 different levels. Your destiny is the level where you play your tune. You might not change your instrument but how well to play is entirely in your hands.
The true Sufi is such that even when he is unjustly accused, attacked and condemned from all sides, he patiently endures, uttering not a single bad word about any of his critics. A Sufi never apportions blame. How can there be opponents or rivals or even “others” when there is no “self” in the first place? How can there be anyone to blame when there is only One?
If you want to strengthen your faith, you will need to soften inside. For your faith to be rock solid, your heart needs to be as soft as a feather. Through an illness, accident, loss or fright, one way or another, we are all faced with incidents that teach us how to become less selfish and judgmental and more compassionate and generous. Yet some of us learn the lesson and manage to become milder, while some others end up becoming even harsher than before…
Nothing should stand between you and God. No imams, priests, rabbis or any other custodians of moral or religious leadership. Not spiritual masters and not even your faith. Believe in your values and your rules, but never lord them over others. If you keep breaking other people’s hearts, whatever religious duty you perform is no good. Stay away from all sorts of idolatry, for they will blur your vision. Let God and only God be your guide. Learn the Truth, my friend, but be careful not to make a fetish out of your truths.
While everyone in this world strives to get somewhere and become someone, only to leave it all behind after death, you aim for the supreme stage of nothingness. Live this life as light and empty as the number zero. We are no different from a pot. It is not the decorations outside but the emptiness inside that holds us straight. Just like that, it is not what we aspire to achieve but the consciousness of nothingness that keeps us going.
Submission does not mean being weak or passive. It leads to neither fatalism nor capitulation. Just the opposite. True power resides in submission to a power that comes within. Those who submit to the divine essence of life will live in unperturbed tranquility and peace even the whole wide world goes through turbulence after turbulence.
In this world, it is not similarities or regularities that take us a step forward, but blunt opposites. And all the opposites in the universe are present within each and every one of us. Therefore the believer needs to meet the unbeliever residing within. And the nonbeliever should get to know the silent faithful in him. Until the day one reaches the stage of Insan-I Kamil, the perfect human being, faith is a gradual process and one that necessitates its seeming opposite: disbelief.
This world is erected upon the principle of reciprocity. Neither a drop of kindness nor a speck of evil will remain unreciprocated. For not the plots, deceptions, or tricks of other people. If somebody is setting a trap, remember, so is God. He is the biggest plotter. Not even a leaf stirs outside God’s knowledge. Simply and fully believe in that. Whatever God does, He does it beautifully.
God is a meticulous clock maker. So precise is His order that everything on earth happens in its own time. Neither a minute late nor a minute early. And for everyone without exception, the clock works accurately. For each there is a time to love and a time to die.
It is never too late to ask yourself, “Am I ready to change the life I am living? Am I ready to change within?” Even if a single day in your life is the same as the day before, it surely is a pity. At every moment and with each new breath, one should be renewed and renewed again. There is only one-way to be born into a new life: to die before death.
While the parts change, the whole always remains the same. For every thief who departs this world, a new one is born. And every decent person who passes away is replaced by a new one. In this way not only does nothing remain the same but also nothing ever really changes. For every Sufi who dies, another is born somewhere.
A life without love is of no account. Don’t ask yourself what kind of love you should seek, spiritual or material, divine or mundane, Eastern or Western. Divisions only lead to more divisions. Love has no labels, no definitions. It is what it is, pure and simple. Love is the water of life. And a lover is a soul of fire! The universe turns differently when fire loves water.
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Post by aatimaram »

If thou art Love's lover and seekest Love,
Take a keen poniard and cut the throat of bashfulness .
Know that reputation is a great hindrance in the path ;
This saying is disinterested: receive it with pure mind .
Wherefore did that madman work madness in a thousand forms,
That chosen wild one display a thousand wiles?
Now he rent robe, and now sped o'er mountain,
Now sipped poison , and now chose death .
Since the spider seized prey so large,
Behold what the snare of My Lord the Supreme will do!
Since the love of Laila's face had such value,
How will it be with "He took His servant by night"?
Hast thou not seen the divans of Waisa and Ramin?'
Hast thou not read the tales of Wamiq and Adra?
Thou gatherest up thy garment lest the water should wet it:
Needs must thou plunge a thousand times in the sea .
Love's way is all lowliness and drunkenness:
For the torrent runs down: how should it run upward?
Thou wilt be as the bezel in the ring of lovers
If thou art the bezel's thrall , O master.
Even as this earth to the sky is thrall ,
Even as the body to the spirit is thrall.
Come, say, what did the earth lose by this connexion?
What kindnesses has not the reason done to the limbs?
It behoves not, son, to beat a drum under a quilt;
Plant, like brave men, thy banner in the midst of the desert .
Hark with the soul's ear to the sounds innumerable
In the hollow of the green dome , rising from lovers' passionate cry.
When the strings of thy robe are loosed by the intoxication of love,
Behold heaven's triumph and Orion's bewilderment!
How the world, high and low, is troubled
By love, which is purified from high and low!
When the sun goes up, where stayeth night?
When the joy of bounty came, where lagged affliction?
I am silent . Speak thou, O soul of soul of soul,
From desire of whose face every atom grew articulate

Diwan e Shams Tabrizi
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Post by swamidada_1 »

“The whole universe is sum up in the Human Being.

Devil is not a monster waiting to trap us, He is a voice inside.

Look for Your Devil in Yourself, not in the Others.

Don’t forget that the one who knows his Devil, knows his God.”

Rumi
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Post by swamidada_2 »

I AM NOT OF WATER NOR FIRE
I AM OT OF FROWARD WIND
I AM NOT OF MOULDED CLAY
I HAVE MOCKED AT THEM ALL
O SON, I AM NOT SHAMS TABREEZ
I AM THE PURE LIGHT (NOOR)
IF THOU SEEST ME, BEWARE
TELL NOT ANY ONE
WHAT THOU HAST SEEN

RUMI

Translated by Nicholson
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