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Can any one please explain me the following verse of Ginan Momin Chetamani
.4) Eji Joma(n) Joma(n) ma(n)ae ae Narji kahiae

Teni sa(n)kh che aelm mahain,

Chalis sipara Kuran na,

Te mahain tris che duniya mahain. Cheto.....



4) In every Imam it is the same Noor of Ali and the scriptures

bear that out of 40 Siparas (parts) of the Quran are a proof

of that and verily 30 are in this world.


ARE THERE 40 SIPARAS OF QURAN?

star_munir wrote:Can any one please explain me the following verse of Ginan Momin Chetamani
.4) Eji Joma(n) Joma(n) ma(n)ae ae Narji kahiae

Teni sa(n)kh che aelm mahain,

Chalis sipara Kuran na,

Te mahain tris che duniya mahain. Cheto.....



4) In every Imam it is the same Noor of Ali and the scriptures

bear that out of 40 Siparas (parts) of the Quran are a proof

of that and verily 30 are in this world.


ARE THERE 40 SIPARAS OF QURAN?

History reveals that the standard text of quran was not copied from the original. so if ginan mention that there are 30 siparas (from the 40 siparas) in the standard text of quran then ten siparas appears to be ommited by the people concerned with the standard text of quran.

For example quran reveals people used to seek the face of the lord morning and evening and lord is allah. So people knew who is allah as they used to seek the face of the lord morning and evening - however the name of ali is omitted in the standard text of quran.

The name of ali is not included in the quran because the standard text of quran is by the enemies of god. I am saying the standard text of quran is by the enemies of god because quran reveals that there was an authority and despite there being an authority abu baker, uman and usman elected themselves one after the other and the quran was from their side. The enemies felt the need not to hide the essence of ismaili tariqah because the majority of the people knew about the messages which conveyed about lord is god, he is manifest and hidden, etc. etc.

An-Nisaa, or the Women (IV)
59) "O you, who believe, obey Allah and obey the Prophet and the holders of authority from amongst you. ..........

Ya Aly Madad star....

Yes, Allah kept the 10 paras of Quran with him. Any Muslim can tell you that. Imam SMS has farman that those 10 paras have been explained by Pir Sadardeen in his Ruhani Ginans.
Imam Aly Shah has made a Farman that the essence of Quran Pir Sadardeen has given us in his Ruhani Ginans and the skin and bones have been left for dogs.

Imam and the true Kitabullah (the 10 paras) are with the Imam and will always stay with the Imam. The Kitab Rasulillah spoke about in his vasihat was this one, not the Usman ki kitab that they said was enough for them when Mowla Aly took this Kitabullah to them in the Masjid after Rasulillahs death.

KIM farman number 20 dated 31-12-1893 starts on the last line of page 63 and goes on to the end of the farman.


Shams

Ya Ali Madad

If Quran is inaccurate than why there are farmans of Hazr Imam to read Quran?and in Quran Allah said that this is His book and He will protect it than how changes were made?

star_munir wrote:Ya Ali Madad

If Quran is inaccurate than why there are farmans of Hazr Imam to read Quran?and in Quran Allah said that this is His book and He will protect it than how changes were made?

Mowla Aly Madad star_munir,

Hazir Imam has Farman "when you read parts of the quran...."
Imam in a previous Joma has stated that the traditional 30 para "Quran" was called Usmans Kitab by the Original Muslims (who Mowla Aly presented the Kitabullah to, which had 10 paras and which Rasulillah referred to over and over when he said that after me I will leave you two things......Everyone seems to think that the Kitabullah is the 30 para Quran when actually it is the 10 paras that he gave to Mowla Aly to give his ummat )even they knew that it is not a complete Quran.

If it was the 30 para Quran then how come only one out of 73 firkas of Islam will be Naaji (Najat pamva wala). It is because they have the Kitabullah he referred to in his vasihat and the Imame Mubeen. The two that can never be seperated until Qayamat.

The essence of the original Quran is in those 10 paras.

The essence being the purpose of all creation.

Which is to recognize Allah while he hides amongst us as a regular Human Being.

Currently he is known as His Highness The Aga Khan IV Shah Karim Al-Husayni. Salwaat padho alamirya.

All of this is clearly printed in Imam Aga Aly Shah Mabap's Firmans.


Hope this helps

Ya Aly Madad

Shams

shamsu wrote:Ya Aly Madad star....

Yes, Allah kept the 10 paras of Quran with him. Any Muslim can tell you that. Imam SMS has farman that those 10 paras have been explained by Pir Sadardeen in his Ruhani Ginans.
Imam Aly Shah has made a Farman that the essence of Quran Pir Sadardeen has given us in his Ruhani Ginans and the skin and bones have been left for dogs.

Imam and the true Kitabullah (the 10 paras) are with the Imam and will always stay with the Imam. The Kitab Rasulillah spoke about in his vasihat was this one, not the Usman ki kitab that they said was enough for them when Mowla Aly took this Kitabullah to them in the Masjid after Rasulillahs death.

KIM farman number 20 dated 31-12-1893 starts on the last line of page 63 and goes on to the end of the farman.


Shams

You mention:
Allah kept the 10 paras of Quran with him
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Quran is message of God to his people so where is the question of Allah keeping 10 paras of quran with him ? the enemies of god omitted the 10 paras and hence you will not find it in the book available in the book stalls titled Holy Quran - it is as simple as that inasmuch as the enemies of god did not copy from the original Quran - they rejected the original Quran - God is not his own enemy you know. Nowhere does farman mention of allah not giving the 10 paras to the people and so on and so forth ? You are trying to mention that God gave an incomplete Quran/message and did not fulfil his responsibility ? Or are you trying to say that the Holy prophet did not deliver all the message ? The omission is not God's work nor the holy prophet's work but the work of the enemies, which please note

I am repeating my earlier posting :

History reveals that the standard text of quran was not copied from the original. so if ginan mention that there are 30 siparas (from the 40 siparas) in the standard text of quran then ten siparas appears to be ommited by the people concerned with the standard text of quran.

For example quran reveals people used to seek the face of the lord morning and evening and lord is allah. So people knew who is allah as they used to seek the face of the lord morning and evening - however the name of ali is omitted in the standard text of quran.

The name of ali is not included in the quran because the standard text of quran is by the enemies of god. I am saying the standard text of quran is by the enemies of god because quran reveals that there was an authority and despite there being an authority abu baker, uman and usman elected themselves one after the other and the quran was from their side. The enemies felt the need not to hide the essence of ismaili tariqah because the majority of the people knew about the messages which conveyed about lord is god, he is manifest and hidden, etc. etc.

An-Nisaa, or the Women (IV)
59) "O you, who believe, obey Allah and obey the Prophet and the holders of authority from amongst you. ..........

The following are my personal beliefs.

Kitabullah is Allah's Kitab so why should it not be with Allah.

He is the only one that knows the real meaning in his own Book.

The word Quran comes from Iqra which means "To read"

Kitabullah is where the current Quran came from.

Kitabullah is with the Imam-E- Zamaan and will always be with him as it is his Kitab.

Therefore when ever you see the word Kitab in the Quran remember that it is referring to this Kitabullah and not the Quran that is printed and read all over the world.

This a very very common mistake committed all over the world.

This misunderstanding is what divided Islam in the first place.

Ya Aly Madad

shams