You wrote," A normal person with intellect would interpret the above statement to imply; HUJJATULLAH=ALLAH." I shall go opposite to your statement that " An abnormal person with -10 IQ may interpret the above statement. Your quote of Imam Ja'far Sadiq is not complete, he said," Through us he is recognized and through us he is worshiped." Please pay attention to word 'THROUGH'. Imam also said, " We are gates to Allah." Again pay attention to word 'GATES', Imam is talking about higher entity.kmaherali wrote:On page 8 it is stated: "The Imam is the 'Hujjat' or 'Proof of God', and it is for this reason that some Imams have said. "What is said about God refers also to us."shivaathervedi wrote: But I could not find your formula that
HUJJATULLAH= ALLAH, instead there was 'HUJJATULLAH IS PROOF OF GOD'.
When the word OF is used in between 2 comparisons means we are talking of 2 entities...
A normal person with intellect would interpret the above statement to imply: HUJJATULLAH= ALLAH!Yes, Noor is the significant aspect of Imamat and sometimes it is also referred to as substance or essence of Imamat. Just google the word substance.shivaathervedi wrote: By the way let me ask you; Is Noor can be considered substance? A body can be.It is in a book form with introduction, contents, appendix etc. Just click here:shivaathervedi wrote: You wrote," a book is a book whether it is published or not...."! My small intellect tells me when book is not published it is called manuscript. It shows Noorun ala Noor is not published and is not in a book form, just articles written with personal ideology. There are thousands of such scripts and articles written by Ismailis. There are many contradictory points in Noorun ala Noor. These personal writings are not recommended by ITREB..
The Noor En Allah Noor - in PDF
http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/15495
This book was presented to MHI and he accepted it and a copy is at the IIS. It contains a lot of information about our tradition which one would not find anywhere else.KIZ is printed in a book form but you cannot say it is published as no one is the publisher. The non-Ismaili is a lucky one! Although he may not benefit from it if he does not recognise the authority of the Imam and hence may think of it like any other material.shivaathervedi wrote: You wrote," Esoteric material is not always published, just like the KIZ farman book." But KIZ is any how in book form and published like KIM. I have seen KIZ in hands of a non Ismaili.
Sun, Moon, Stars, Mountains, Seas, Rivers, clouds, Rain, Trees, Animals, Birds, Human beings, you and me are all proof of Allah.
The word SUBSTANCE has many meanings. Matter, Density, Body, Gist, and Essence. How you will define essence of Noor. Is it like essence of Rose, Jasmine, Tulip and so on. But the Vedic Satpunthi term NIRIJIN is above essence.
As you wrote," A copy of Noorun ala Noor is at IIS. My question is why IIS has not published it if that is a such valuable book to understand Dharma.
IIS keep publishing all kind of books why not this?
You wrote, a copy of it was presented to Imam; Did Imam read that book or just pass it on to IIS. Imam is Karim, he is Badshah, he encourages his followers in their endeavors. MSMS accepted history book 'Tarikh Imam e Mubin', he also accepted 'Ever Living Guide', Shah Karim accepted Brushiski Ginan book.
You wrote, KIZ has no publisher!! Was KIZ 'G E' published ' KHUD BA KHUD' or some jinni published it. Ismaili world knows," BAHUT CHARCHA HUA", by the way it is marked on the back page ' PRINTED IN CANADA'.