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avrozmaredia



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject: Alaf niraale khaalak raajaa Reply with quote

ejee ruhjjee dhee sag pee(n)dd paayaa
sohoy rahyaa hayraan jee.....................................7

The soul of Yazzid got into the body of a dog,
and therefore he is in trouble at present.

ejee koddo kaaf geeradhe paannee
so kaayamat ta(n)i hayraan...................................8

He (the dog, Yazzid) stays on the kokesus mountains
which is surrounded by water. Yet he will be suffering
till the day of judgement for want of water.

where is this mountain located?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ejee ruhjjee dhee sag pee(n)dd paayaa
sohoy rahyaa hayraan jee.....................................7

The soul of Yazzid got into the body of a dog,
and therefore he is in trouble at present.

ejee koddo kaaf geeradhe paannee
so kaayamat ta(n)i hayraan...................................8

He (the dog, Yazzid) stays on the kokesus mountains
which is surrounded by water. Yet he will be suffering
till the day of judgement for want of water.

Yazzid (palid)’s name is not mentioned in above ginanic verses or at least it is typed wrong! of course pir has mentioned Satan (Aazaazil) and Adam name but I can not see Yazzid name in above ginanic verses, so I don't understand from where did the translator( not you Avroz) find the Yazzid name in it?!! any clarification by anyone will be appreciated.
This ginan is in Ismaili.net
Note:- It was typical mistakes by the translator, please read my below post for more detail and clarification which was posted after checking original Gujarati text.


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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Alaf niraale khaalak raajaa Reply with quote

avrozmaredia wrote:
ejee ruhjjee dhee sag pee(n)dd paayaa
sohoy rahyaa hayraan jee.....................................7

The soul of Yazzid got into the body of a dog,
and therefore he is in trouble at present.

ejee koddo kaaf geeradhe paannee
so kaayamat ta(n)i hayraan...................................8

He (the dog, Yazzid) stays on the kokesus mountains
which is surrounded by water. Yet he will be suffering
till the day of judgement for want of water.

where is this mountain located?

I have heard that it is somewhere around the Dead Sea...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the same story in a manuscript of Mowlana Aga Ali Shah's farmans

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avrozmaredia



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yazzid (palid)’s name is not mentioned in above ginanic verses nor in whole ginan! of course pir mentioned Satan (Aazaazil) and Adam name but not the Yazzid, I don't understand from where did the translator find the Yazzid name in it?!! any clarification by anyone will be appreciated.
This ginan is in Ismaili.net


I found Ginan translation from these links -
http://www.ginans.org/media/meanings/INEG10590.pdf
http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22816

My apology, if i am hurting real Ginan meaning.

Please reply me with correct information because i have shared this link to my friends.
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agakhani



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avroz,

My post was addressed to the translator who has posted this ginan and its meaning in this website for his mistake in typing, first time I couldn't understand it but after reading 3-4 times I found that it is typical mistake of the translator this is the only reason I prefer to read ginans in its original Gujarati/Khojki texts rather than English so I look in original Gujarati text as promised, now let me show you where the translator or the person who put it here had made mistakes?

"ejee ruhjjee dhee sag pee(n)dd paayaa", no one can find name of Yazid in this verses because the wrong typing of the word "ruhjee" actually these are two separate words 'RUH' AND "YAZIDJI" but translator typed both in only one words "RUHJEE", I bet you wont find meaning of this word in any Gujarati dictionaries
the ginan I have in my possession shows this line printed as follows:-
Eji, Ruh Yazzida sag pind paya,
meaning :- The soul of Yazzid got into the body of a dog.
Glossary:-
Ruh:- soul ( Atma)
Sag:- dog
Pind:- body
Yazzida:- Yazzid (palid)
A Humble request to the readers, your ginan's translation are most welcome but please type as printed in its original text rather then making your own words which some time makes wrong meaning and some time it makes big confusion to other readers, same like above wrong typed ginanic verses made confusion to me and may be to the other readers too, who knows?


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prince_visram



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin wrote:
I read the same story in a manuscript of Mowlana Aga Ali Shah's farmans

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Is this Ginan in reference of the ruler of the Umayyad Caliphate (the one who ordered the death of Imam Hussein)?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this Ginan in reference of the ruler of the Umayyad Caliphate (the one who ordered the death of Imam Hussein)?


Yes and No,
Yes, because Yazzid's name is also there ( if you read ginans original text, not in the above wrong typed ginanic verses) and
No, because there are two more names also mentioned in this ginan
1, Hazarat Adam (s.a.), 2, Azazel.
The main motive of this ginan is do not disobey or disrespect the order/farman/command of Allahbarhak tala and the Imam of the time.
History reveals that Hazarat Adam (s.a.) eat the apple or eat the wheat even though Allah told him not to eat, Azzazil refused to prostrate/pardon/obeisance to Hazarat Adam (s.a.) when all the angels pardon Adam, so does Yazid cheated and refused to give back caliphates to Hazarat Imam Hussain (s.a.) who was real rightful for caliphate. so basically these three were disrespect the orders of Allahtala or the holder of Allah's 'noor ( Imam Husaain (s.a.) and this is the main motive of this ginan.
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