To Indigo. Indeed. I was at Nairobi, Kampala and Dar es Salaam Golden Jubilee Darbars and I can also testify that nothing beats the welcome the Tanzanian leadership and Tanzanian Jamat accorded to Mowlana Hazar Imam and to the International Jamat and they do deserve to be the first to have Didar after the G.J.
Thank you Admin for the change of the topic which is now appropriate for the discussion.
I think Tanzania Jamat and leadership set an example to the rest of the world about how to welcome the Imam on his GJ. I doubt very much if we would have had Ismaili Anthem at other places of arrival had it not started in Dar-es-Salaam. I was particularly impressed when the Imam told the leadership to continue to have good time and not to return home after he left the leadership banquet. Also in his Farman he told the Jamat to forget about everything and enjoy the day.
But what about the BOL? Bol can not be given to Mukhisaheb, it is between Murid and Murshid and it is totally different then mehmani.
Who has suggested or where is it mentioned that the procedure of granting the Bol has changed?
Admin,
It is my understanding that sensitive matters such as these are not to be discussed in such a public forum.
I hope that we don't forget that we are still a gupti faith and what happens in our jamatkhanas is between us and our mursheed - why bring up these matters in such a public forum? Esp something as sensitive as this.
It seems our ismaili brothers are very keen on undressing ourselves in public and giving more ammunition to the anti ismaili forces to use on YouTube to attack us - and then we question and wonder why Hazar Imam makes changes to traditions spanning generations. I am appalled that someone actually asked the question and even more appalled that immediately after the announcement in Jamat Khana in regards to the events only being for the local jamats - that someone asked a question about the international jamat registering for all the events.....do most of us ismailies still think that the hidayah and farmans of the Imam are for others and we are exempt - and by we I mean..each one of us individually?
Let's get some sense.
Admin - I request that you delete all the posts that relate to our bandagi practices.
To all others - keep in mind that our faith is batini and we practise it in secret - exoteric versus esoteric.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:21 pm Post subject:
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It is my understanding that sensitive matters such as these are not to be discussed in such a public forum.
ShamsB & Admin,
Brothers,
Yes, I would have been first person to oppose in this website if any one try to give more detail and try to put his/her bol here in this forum but just asking a question regarding'BOL" is not a big issue, not big enough that Admin has to close the entire topic.
FYI:- Brothers, it is not hidden amongst some non Ismailis that we have this kind 'BOL GIVING' practice in our faith ' you can tell it "BOL''ISHME-AZAM' 'MANTRA' , "JAAP", 'JAP", 'SHABDA', 'STROT','GURU MANTRA', 'KAN MANTRA', 'KAN FUNKVO' whatever name you give to the 'BOL' but it is not hidden amongst them and some peoples are aware about Bol giving practice.
Matter of fact this kind tradition and practice is century old, it seems that we have adopted it from other religions because 'BOL GIVING " practice was here before Islam and prophet Mohammad (S.A.), you probably know that this practice is not exist only in Ismailism right now but it still existing in other religions as well, this practice was very famous amongst HINDU RISHIS,YOGIS, MUNIS, SADHUS, SAINTS, HERMITS AND LAMAS more than thousands and thousands years ago and and do you know? it is still existing in Hindus, Shikh, Budhist, Jains till today.
So, obviously just only asking question about bol (AND NOT DISCLOSING BOL OR ITS DETAIL HERE) is nothing wrong in my opinion, WHEN HAZAR IMAM INSIST US TO COME FORWARD AND PROCLAIM US AS A TRUE MUSLIMS AND MAKE BRIDGE WITH OTHER MUSLIM BROTHERS.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: DEEDAR FOR INTERNATIONAL JAMAT
ismaili1 wrote:
ANY NEWS FOR INTERNATIONAL JAMAT DEEDAR
although Mowla does not want us to travel for these deedars.... but many of us from Africa would like our children to experience these deedars and festivities in E.Africa and especially since they are on holidays.... is there any facilities available for people that would travel because it is a holiday trip as well... esp. pickups from airports and drop offs and any other accommodation information that we may need. This will be very helpful.
In Nairobi, the mood is of jubilation. People have started coming from all over the world. We have Jamatkhana in the Pavilion as the main JK is been prepared for ceremonies. The stage is in preparation, it is huge, I hope some of Noorani family attend the Darbar.
Al Waez Kamaluddin and his wife Alwaeza Zarina have also arrived and conducted some waez and seminars. Today was Student Mijlas and there was a short outstanding waez by a young girl in preparation for Didar.
We were shown after JK the movie of Golden Jubilee in Paris and in Kenya. There was Jamanr after JK, I have never eaten such a good chicken sag.
Volunteers are working from early morning to late night, they clean the chairs, they stitch the "sadri", they cook and they celebrate. preparations are for a very large number from the size of everything but I think that the expected number will not be there.
It was announced that registration for local jamat will end this Sunday.
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: worldwide jamat
Why would Jamat from the world come if national council has said this is for local jamat only? Why would we disobey? Don' these instructions from the National Council come from the Imam? If Imam says something is for the local jamat, then shouldn't we from outside refrain from coming? I would love to hear thoughts on this.
Why would Jamat from the world come if national council has said this is for local jamat only? Why would we disobey? Don' these instructions from the National Council come from the Imam? If Imam says something is for the local jamat, then shouldn't we from outside refrain from coming? I would love to hear thoughts on this.
Jamat come because they love the Imam more then they love the Council. They are attracted by the Light. For those who love the Imam, nothing matter except their love for the Imam. They are not going to listen to their reason, only to their heart. It is useless to tell them not to attend Didar.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject:
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Why would Jamat from the world come if national council has said this is for local jamat only? Why would we disobey? Don' these instructions from the National Council come from the Imam?
Jamat should follows what National councils says, and what Mowlana Hazar Imam wants, we should know that MHI instruct councils whether to come for didar or not, but who care? many peoples will travel Africa for didars, are they disobeying the farman and National council? yes, they are, then why they are going? in my opinion there are too many reasons below are few:-
1, Loves towards Imam (?)
2, to meet relatives and old freinds in Africa along with the didar.
3, Jamat financial condition is very strong now a days so jamat can afford traveling and other expenses ( With grace of MHI) in comparison with old days Jamats they were poor.
4, Nice arrangements and accommodations for traveling jamat from local councils and jamats ( shuttle service, airport pickup, hotel booking, foods e.t.c.)
5, Jamati ceremonies is the main attraction of this didar because this ceremonies has not performed for a long time, like family mehamani, mahadan chhanta and BOL.
But Jamats should obey the instructions of National councils and what Hazar Imam wants.
So we love the imam, but we are not going to listen to him? I believe we should love the imam so much that we fight our urge to go somewhere when we are requested not to. Let's show our love by listening to him.
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