Deedar Visit to East Africa Jamats July 2011

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Deedar Visit to East Africa Jamats July 2011

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Mubaraki to All Ismaili Jamat world wide,Any news that outside jamat is allow for darbar in nairobi, if yes how to register for the pass, any idea?
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 Mavlana Hazir Imam not MHI...it's wrong!!! it is totally wrong! 
I agree with Aramein, we all ( including my self) should write in full forms instead of short forms. it save little time in writing but not much other hand it shows big respect to our Mowlana Hazar Imam (s.a.) and Hazarat Ali (s.a.).
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ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE NATIONAL COUNCIL

> Hazar Imam's programme during his visit in East Africa.
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> Jamati ceremony dates,
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> Tanzania - July 2011 on the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7 and 8th July 2011
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> Uganda - July 2011 on the 12th & 13th July 2011
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> Nairobi - July 2011 on the 14th, 15th, 16th and 23th July 2011
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> Mombasa - July 2011 on the 21st


Following the happy news conveyed to the Jamat yesterday regarding Mawlana Hazar Imam’s visit to Kenya in July 2011 to undertake Jamati work, the National Council, ITREB and Huzur Department take this opportunity to inform the Jamat of the envisaged ceremonies and their format, which Mawlana Hazar Imam has approved.

Mawlana Hazar Imam has desired that the Jamat should be made aware that his forthcoming Jamati visit initiates a new cycle of Jamati work, in which the number and format of ceremonies will be adjusted to reflect changes in the Jamat’s circumstances, including its demography, as compared to the earlier cycle of visits. Mawlana Hazar Imam wishes it to be emphasised that the changes that he has approved do not in any way compromise the essence and meaning of each ceremony. Mawlana Hazar Imam has also desired that, in as far as possible, all the ceremonies should be undertaken in Jamatkhana spaces.

Eligibility criteria: All bona fide residents of Kenya, Rwanda, Burundi and South Africa will be eligible to participate in the Jamati work. In addition to in-country national citizens, this will include other long term residents holding work or residency permits. Students pursuing study courses abroad will be eligible. However, national citizens who may have formally migrated to alternative countries will not be eligible.

Family Mehmani: During the forthcoming visit, and in conformity with age-old Jamati tradition, Mawlana Hazar Imam will accept family mehmanis from those who wish to make this submission. The format of this ceremony will be adjusted, whereby mehmani submission occurs in affinity Jamati groups, representing individual Jamatkhanas or similar groupings. Each family that has registered to submit a mehmani will be requested to be present during a specified session in a Jamatkhana space, where Mawlana Hazar Imamwill accept the mehmani of all the gathered families by way of a symbolic submission made by the relevant Jamati Mukhi-Kamadia and Mukhiani-Kamadiani. A family will be defined as a unit sharing a single household. In situations of joint families sharing a single household, each unit may be considered as a separate family.


General Deedar: At his entire pleasure, Mawlana Hazar Imam will consider granting a deedar to a general Jamati gathering at the conclusion of his visit.

The foregoing is an overview of the ceremonies for the Jamat’s initial information, and further details will be conveyed by the National Council, the ITREB and the Huzur Department. The Jamati leadership respectfully requests the patience and understanding of Jamati members in the preparatory processes leading to Mawlana Hazar Imam’s presence among us to undertake the ceremonies.

The registration procedure for participating in the various ceremonies will commence on Thursday 23rd June 2011. The Jamat is requested to participate in this process promptly, thus allowing for its urgent completion. The Jamat is also respectfully requested to extend its full co-operation and support in this matter, and to comply with any reasonable request for proof of identity or residence, and similar. In the light of current global circumstances, the Jamat will no doubt appreciate the importance of maintaining vigilance in these matters.

Closer to the time of Mawlana Hazar Imam’s visit, the institutions will undertake the distribution of entry cards, alongside other details to facilitate the Jamat’s dignified participation in the ceremonies.
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Re: East africa deedar

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ismaili1 wrote:Mubaraki to All Ismaili Jamat world wide,Any news that outside jamat is allow for darbar in nairobi, if yes how to register for the pass, any idea?
From the announcement of the National Council there is no indication that outside Jamats will be allowed, indeed the general deedar for all will only take place subject to Mowlana Hazar Imam's pleasure - it is not definitely confirmed yet.
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Is Mahdan Chanta and Mehmani arranged for all the places of Didar in E. Africa? What is the registration process for international jamat for Mahdan Chanta and Mehmani?
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Subject: News from Nairobi

Hi Everyone, There is so much excitement happening on this side of the world with the announcement of Hazar Imam's visit that I thought I would try and share with you any and every detail I can.

As you know, an LIF announcement was made last Friday indicating that Hazar Imam will be coming to East Africa during the month of July. We all anticipated his visit to Nairobi to open up the new Heart & Cancer Centre and AKU School for Media and Communications, and there were rumors about a possible deedar...but the announcing of jamati ceremonies (Mehmani, Bol ceremony both new and promotion, Last Rights Chantaa), that was what brought on all the 'oohing' and 'ahhing' in khane. Friday night was an explosion of mubarakis, sherbat and cake. Saturday night went a step further with dandia raas and biriyani.

The dates for Dar es Salaam have been confirmed for July 5-8th and Nairobi will be from the 14-16 and 23. The other East African country dates have not been announced yet.

Hajri in khane has increased dramatically, and yesterday we began standing up shukran tasbih and salwaat. There was also a waez made by Shafin Virani on preparing for the visit, specifically the meaning of each of the jamati ceremonies. Some key things to note are: individual and family mehmani will be done symbolically by the Mukhisaheb instead of having each family member go up to Hazar Imam; the minimum age for Last Rights Chantaa has been increased from 50 years (the last time this ceremony was performed) to 55 years of age, which Shafin Virani said is a tangible indication of the increased longevity that Hazar Imam always talks about.
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Every one was asking for change and Mowlana Hazar Imam graciously made some changes in Mehmani ceremony. At least now no body will misrepresent what happened in Mehmani.
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Some key things to note are: individual and family mehmani will be done symbolically by the Mukhisaheb instead of having each family member go up to Hazar Imam

The above change is necessary looking the large number of Jamats and it is time saving change and it is necessary at this time.
.but the announcing of jamati ceremonies (Mehmani, Bol ceremony both new and promotion, Last Rights Chantaa), that was what brought on all the 'oohing' and 'ahhing' in khane
But what about the BOL? Bol can not be given to Mukhisaheb, it is between Murid and Murshid and it is totally different then mehmani.
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agakhani wrote: But what about the BOL? Bol can not be given to Mukhisaheb, it is between Murid and Murshid and it is totally different then mehmani.
Who has suggested or where is it mentioned that the procedure of granting the Bol has changed?
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Can Mukhi Saheb take 'BOL" for entire jamats?

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Please visit "doctrines "section for this question.
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Doctrinal question as above should discussed in the Doctrine section, not here

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I am very happy that the African Jamat will receive a Didar from Hazar Imam. Mubaraki. I do not live in Africa but the announcement of a Didar anywhere in the world is a joyous moment for every murid.
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Love and Enthusiasm

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The only hope for showing great love and enthusiasm and happiness over Mowla's forthcoming visit to East Africa now rests with the Tanzanian jamat. In the Golden Jubilee, they outdid themselves with their welcome to the Imam, decorating the streets of Dar Es Salaam and looking after the jamat extremely well. It is no wonder then that they have carried away the Honour of being the first jamat to be blessed with Kamkaaj and Deedar, after the Golden Jubilee. I hope and pray this time too they will give the Imam the grandest of welcomes and allow the jamat to gather at the airport once again and line the streets, welcoming their Beloved to their city. I also hope that Tanzanian jamat will ask our beloved Imam to cut a cake for Imamath Day. As I have said, this can only be done now by the Tanzanian jamat. Early indications from Nairobi already show the reverse. Flowers are not going to be put on the stage, jamati dinners and lunches have been severely slashed and the only talk that can be heard is "times are tough and so we should cut down." Nairobi has forgotten its days of glory when Zeenat Popat used to make huge, beautiful cakes and the Imam used to be so so happy and insist that the cake be shared out with the jamat. We have become too snobbish now - making the Imam cut a cake seems to be beneath us. No wonder then, after the Darbar in Dubai on 13th December 2003 (when no cake was cut), our beloved Imam has avoided being with the jamat on 21st March, 11th July and 13th December. Think about it. In 2005, deedar in Nairobi was scheduled on 22nd March even though Mowla was in the country on the 21st March; in 2008, Darbar in Lisbon took place on 13th July although the Imam was in Lisbon on 11th July; the finale Darbar of the golden jubilee in Paris took place on 11th December and not 13th December (shamefully, during this Darbar, no cake was cut for His birthday and no gift presented to Him for His birthday); this time too, Mowla is in East Africa but no mulaqat has been scheduled for 11th July. This is indeed very heartbreaking and therefore I would appeal to the Tanzanian jamat to keep the flag flying high, receive the Imam with grandeur and have a cake cut during the Darbar on the 8th. Let us prove to our Imam that we still love Him. There is no point making such appeals to the Nairobi and Ugandan jamat because they just don't listen! Let them not keep flowers on the stage, let them save costs by not feeding the jamat, and they will see that next time, they will come at the bottom of the visit schedules. This time, Nairobi is already last in East Africa whereas it was always first. An ominous indication that should be taken heed of.
Mowla loves flowers, appreciates warm welcomes and loves to see that the jamat has taken the time to come and welcome Him. And He loves cutting cakes and sharing them with the jamat! How happy was He, how radiant was He in March 2010 when He was asked to cut the cake for the Nation Media Group's 50th Anniversary! He even sang Happy Birthday along with the crowd and mashallah, never have I seen such broad smiles on our Imam's holy countenance. How happy was He, how radiant was He when He was admiring the beautiful lighting fixtures and floral arrangements in Singapore in 2008. How happy was He, admiring the beautiful welcome signs and billboards dotting the city of Dhaka in 2008. And here we are, cutting just the things that He admires and loves. Truly this is kaljug. 
I am so happy to hear that Dar Es Salaam has already had dandia and biryani. Keep it up and kudos to you!!
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Indigo wrote: How happy was He, how radiant was He in March 2010 when He was asked to cut the cake for the Nation Media Group's 50th Anniversary! He even sang Happy Birthday along with the crowd and mashallah, never have I seen such broad smiles on our Imam's holy countenance.

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Admin, can you change the name of the topic to "Deedar Visit to Africa Jamats July 2011". The scope of this discussion is getting broader....
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To Kmaherali: Topic title changed and broadened.

To Indigo. Indeed. I was at Nairobi, Kampala and Dar es Salaam Golden Jubilee Darbars and I can also testify that nothing beats the welcome the Tanzanian leadership and Tanzanian Jamat accorded to Mowlana Hazar Imam and to the International Jamat and they do deserve to be the first to have Didar after the G.J.


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Thank you Admin for the change of the topic which is now appropriate for the discussion.

I think Tanzania Jamat and leadership set an example to the rest of the world about how to welcome the Imam on his GJ. I doubt very much if we would have had Ismaili Anthem at other places of arrival had it not started in Dar-es-Salaam. I was particularly impressed when the Imam told the leadership to continue to have good time and not to return home after he left the leadership banquet. Also in his Farman he told the Jamat to forget about everything and enjoy the day.

Sabbash and Mashaallah!
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DEEDAR FOR INTERNATIONAL JAMAT

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ANY NEWS FOR INTERNATIONAL JAMAT DEEDAR
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kmaherali wrote:
agakhani wrote: But what about the BOL? Bol can not be given to Mukhisaheb, it is between Murid and Murshid and it is totally different then mehmani.
Who has suggested or where is it mentioned that the procedure of granting the Bol has changed?

Admin,

It is my understanding that sensitive matters such as these are not to be discussed in such a public forum.

I hope that we don't forget that we are still a gupti faith and what happens in our jamatkhanas is between us and our mursheed - why bring up these matters in such a public forum? Esp something as sensitive as this.

It seems our ismaili brothers are very keen on undressing ourselves in public and giving more ammunition to the anti ismaili forces to use on YouTube to attack us - and then we question and wonder why Hazar Imam makes changes to traditions spanning generations. I am appalled that someone actually asked the question and even more appalled that immediately after the announcement in Jamat Khana in regards to the events only being for the local jamats - that someone asked a question about the international jamat registering for all the events.....do most of us ismailies still think that the hidayah and farmans of the Imam are for others and we are exempt - and by we I mean..each one of us individually?
Let's get some sense.

Admin - I request that you delete all the posts that relate to our bandagi practices.

To all others - keep in mind that our faith is batini and we practise it in secret - exoteric versus esoteric.

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Any discussion about Bol will be deleted. unless in the appropriate context.

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It is my understanding that sensitive matters such as these are not to be discussed in such a public forum.
ShamsB & Admin,
Brothers,
Yes, I would have been first person to oppose in this website if any one try to give more detail and try to put his/her bol here in this forum but just asking a question regarding'BOL" is not a big issue, not big enough that Admin has to close the entire topic.
FYI:- Brothers, it is not hidden amongst some non Ismailis that we have this kind 'BOL GIVING' practice in our faith ' you can tell it "BOL''ISHME-AZAM' 'MANTRA' , "JAAP", 'JAP", 'SHABDA', 'STROT','GURU MANTRA', 'KAN MANTRA', 'KAN FUNKVO' whatever name you give to the 'BOL' but it is not hidden amongst them and some peoples are aware about Bol giving practice.

Matter of fact this kind tradition and practice is century old, it seems that we have adopted it from other religions because 'BOL GIVING " practice was here before Islam and prophet Mohammad (S.A.), you probably know that this practice is not exist only in Ismailism right now but it still existing in other religions as well, this practice was very famous amongst HINDU RISHIS,YOGIS, MUNIS, SADHUS, SAINTS, HERMITS AND LAMAS more than thousands and thousands years ago and and do you know? it is still existing in Hindus, Shikh, Budhist, Jains till today.
So, obviously just only asking question about bol (AND NOT DISCLOSING BOL OR ITS DETAIL HERE) is nothing wrong in my opinion, WHEN HAZAR IMAM INSIST US TO COME FORWARD AND PROCLAIM US AS A TRUE MUSLIMS AND MAKE BRIDGE WITH OTHER MUSLIM BROTHERS.
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SHORT ESSENTIAL READINGS
In Celebration of His Highness the Aga Khan’s Visit to East Africa


http://simerg.com/2011/06/25/preparing- ... -readings/
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Re: DEEDAR FOR INTERNATIONAL JAMAT

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ismaili1 wrote:ANY NEWS FOR INTERNATIONAL JAMAT DEEDAR
although Mowla does not want us to travel for these deedars.... but many of us from Africa would like our children to experience these deedars and festivities in E.Africa and especially since they are on holidays.... is there any facilities available for people that would travel because it is a holiday trip as well... esp. pickups from airports and drop offs and any other accommodation information that we may need. This will be very helpful.
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Kampala Deedar

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Ya Ali

Is anybody going to Kampala or can give any info please? Thanks...
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SHORT ESSENTIAL READINGS II
In Celebration of His Highness the Aga Khan’s Visit to East Africa


http://simerg.com/2011/06/27/preparing- ... adings-ii/
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In Nairobi, the mood is of jubilation. People have started coming from all over the world. We have Jamatkhana in the Pavilion as the main JK is been prepared for ceremonies. The stage is in preparation, it is huge, I hope some of Noorani family attend the Darbar.

Al Waez Kamaluddin and his wife Alwaeza Zarina have also arrived and conducted some waez and seminars. Today was Student Mijlas and there was a short outstanding waez by a young girl in preparation for Didar.

We were shown after JK the movie of Golden Jubilee in Paris and in Kenya. There was Jamanr after JK, I have never eaten such a good chicken sag.

Volunteers are working from early morning to late night, they clean the chairs, they stitch the "sadri", they cook and they celebrate. preparations are for a very large number from the size of everything but I think that the expected number will not be there.

It was announced that registration for local jamat will end this Sunday.
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worldwide jamat

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Why would Jamat from the world come if national council has said this is for local jamat only? Why would we disobey? Don' these instructions from the National Council come from the Imam? If Imam says something is for the local jamat, then shouldn't we from outside refrain from coming? I would love to hear thoughts on this.
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jdessa15 wrote:Why would Jamat from the world come if national council has said this is for local jamat only? Why would we disobey? Don' these instructions from the National Council come from the Imam? If Imam says something is for the local jamat, then shouldn't we from outside refrain from coming? I would love to hear thoughts on this.
Jamat come because they love the Imam more then they love the Council. They are attracted by the Light. For those who love the Imam, nothing matter except their love for the Imam. They are not going to listen to their reason, only to their heart. It is useless to tell them not to attend Didar.
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Why would Jamat from the world come if national council has said this is for local jamat only? Why would we disobey? Don' these instructions from the National Council come from the Imam?
Jamat should follows what National councils says, and what Mowlana Hazar Imam wants, we should know that MHI instruct councils whether to come for didar or not, but who care? many peoples will travel Africa for didars, are they disobeying the farman and National council? yes, they are, then why they are going? in my opinion there are too many reasons below are few:-
1, Loves towards Imam (?)
2, to meet relatives and old freinds in Africa along with the didar.
3, Jamat financial condition is very strong now a days so jamat can afford traveling and other expenses ( With grace of MHI) in comparison with old days Jamats they were poor.
4, Nice arrangements and accommodations for traveling jamat from local councils and jamats ( shuttle service, airport pickup, hotel booking, foods e.t.c.)
5, Jamati ceremonies is the main attraction of this didar because this ceremonies has not performed for a long time, like family mehamani, mahadan chhanta and BOL.
But Jamats should obey the instructions of National councils and what Hazar Imam wants.
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Post by jdessa15 »

So we love the imam, but we are not going to listen to him? I believe we should love the imam so much that we fight our urge to go somewhere when we are requested not to. Let's show our love by listening to him.
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