There is story common among Shia muslims like on Miraj Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saw lion wearing ring and he saw same ring on hnad of Allah.
Ismailis believe Miraj is spiritual concept. It is exoteric but esoteric. It is spiritual experince. God does not live only in Sky so there is no need to ride on horse to go to sky to meet God. God is present every where.
According to Ismaili interpretation, Meraj is really an inward journey. According to Shia interpretation, the Prophet ascended to the seventh heaven and a 'curtain' appeared between the seventh heaven and the Absolute, from which a tray containing 'fruits of paradise' was offered to him. The Pophet prayed to Allah, "O my Beloved Lord, I have never in the material world eaten my meals alone, but Ali has always eaten with me."
Immediately a hand appeared from behind the curtain and the voice of Ali was heard!
This anecdote is symbolic of the highest spiritual state attained through the recognition of Ali as being the Absolute beyond form in his essence.
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There is story common among Shia muslims like on Miraj Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saw lion wearing ring and he saw same ring on hnad of Allah.
Ismailis believe Miraj is spiritual concept. It is exoteric but esoteric. It is spiritual experince. God does not live only in Sky so there is no need to ride on horse to go to sky to meet God. God is present every where.
star_munir, this is so great! Alevi's also believe that the Prophet Muhammad saw a lion, and gave the lion his ring to keep it calm! And when the Prophet came back to earth and met Imam Ali, he saw that Ali had the ring!
What happens when Muhammad comes back from his Miraj journey?
And do you have a written source about this story?
According to Ismaili interpretation, Meraj is really an inward journey. According to Shia interpretation, the Prophet ascended to the seventh heaven and a 'curtain' appeared between the seventh heaven and the Absolute, from which a tray containing 'fruits of paradise' was offered to him. The Pophet prayed to Allah, "O my Beloved Lord, I have never in the material world eaten my meals alone, but Ali has always eaten with me."
Immediately a hand appeared from behind the curtain and the voice of Ali was heard!
This anecdote is symbolic of the highest spiritual state attained through the recognition of Ali as being the Absolute beyond form in his essence.
There has also been discussion on this issue in this forum at:
Doctrines --> Sacred Mosque to the furthest Mosque
Can you explain me the Ismaili interpretation in details please? And do you have a story about the "Forty" ?
According to Ismaili interpretation, Meraj is really an inward journey. According to Shia interpretation, the Prophet ascended to the seventh heaven and a 'curtain' appeared between the seventh heaven and the Absolute, from which a tray containing 'fruits of paradise' was offered to him. The Pophet prayed to Allah, "O my Beloved Lord, I have never in the material world eaten my meals alone, but Ali has always eaten with me."
Immediately a hand appeared from behind the curtain and the voice of Ali was heard!
This anecdote is symbolic of the highest spiritual state attained through the recognition of Ali as being the Absolute beyond form in his essence.
There has also been discussion on this issue in this forum at:
Doctrines --> Sacred Mosque to the furthest Mosque
Hi Brother Qizilbash,
I don’t know which interpretation u follow (Sunni or ….)…. According to your interpretation what exactly happened on the Night of Miraj? And do you have any info where Imam Ali was? I have read all Sunni Scholars who wrote about Miraj Night and came to a conclusion that Prophet Muhammad was not alone in The Journey whether outward or inward!
Karim there are n number of source which proofs that the Journey of Prophet was not inward. God can b present at n number of places as He wills, above Sky or below Sky… Does Allah need to explain anyone why he is above or below…? Anyways it worth discussing it was inward or outward journey…. Karim you made me think twice when I read “a hand appeared from behind curtain!” I read this for first time in my life but I think not only hand but everything was visible, there was no Curtain and Prophet has a clear Vision of Allah! Which NO ONE Before Him Had….!
There is story common among Shia muslims like on Miraj Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saw lion wearing ring and he saw same ring on hnad of Allah.
Ismailis believe Miraj is spiritual concept. It is exoteric but esoteric. It is spiritual experince. God does not live only in Sky so there is no need to ride on horse to go to sky to meet God. God is present every where.
star_munir, this is so great! Alevi's also believe that the Prophet Muhammad saw a lion, and gave the lion his ring to keep it calm! And when the Prophet came back to earth and met Imam Ali, he saw that Ali had the ring!
What happens when Muhammad comes back from his Miraj journey?
And do you have a written source about this story?
The story that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saw lion and gave him ring and when came back and saw Harat Ali had same rinn is mentioned in many books of Shia muslims. Among Ismaili Sources it is mention in famous history book "Noorum Mubin".
But as karim said this anecdote is symbolic of the highest spiritual state attained through the recognition of Ali as being the Absolute beyond form in his essence. As per Ismailism concept of Meraj is spiritual and not physical. It is very clear from the Farman of Imam Sultan Mohamed Shah.
According to Ismaili interpretation, Meraj is really an inward journey. According to Shia interpretation, the Prophet ascended to the seventh heaven and a 'curtain' appeared between the seventh heaven and the Absolute, from which a tray containing 'fruits of paradise' was offered to him. The Pophet prayed to Allah, "O my Beloved Lord, I have never in the material world eaten my meals alone, but Ali has always eaten with me."
Immediately a hand appeared from behind the curtain and the voice of Ali was heard!
This anecdote is symbolic of the highest spiritual state attained through the recognition of Ali as being the Absolute beyond form in his essence.
There has also been discussion on this issue in this forum at:
Doctrines --> Sacred Mosque to the furthest Mosque
Hi Brother Qizilbash,
I don’t know which interpretation u follow (Sunni or ….)…. According to your interpretation what exactly happened on the Night of Miraj? And do you have any info where Imam Ali was? I have read all Sunni Scholars who wrote about Miraj Night and came to a conclusion that Prophet Muhammad was not alone in The Journey whether outward or inward!
Karim there are n number of source which proofs that the Journey of Prophet was not inward. God can b present at n number of places as He wills, above Sky or below Sky… Does Allah need to explain anyone why he is above or below…? Anyways it worth discussing it was inward or outward journey…. Karim you made me think twice when I read “a hand appeared from behind curtain!” I read this for first time in my life but I think not only hand but everything was visible, there was no Curtain and Prophet has a clear Vision of Allah! Which NO ONE Before Him Had….!
Zubair Mahamood
Allah is not present just on sky. There is no need to go to sky to see God. As per Farmans it was not outward, it is inward. You can refer Farman from Usul-e-din.
I don’t know which interpretation u follow (Sunni or ….)…. According to your interpretation what exactly happened on the Night of Miraj? And do you have any info where Imam Ali was? I have read all Sunni Scholars who wrote about Miraj Night and came to a conclusion that Prophet Muhammad was not alone in The Journey whether outward or inward!
Hello Brother Zubair Mahamood!
I am Shia Alevi from Turkey.
And according to my belief, the Prophet Muhammad meets a lion on the Night of Miraj. The lion starts roaring, and to make it calm, it is said to Muhammad that he should put his ring in its mouth. After doing that, the lion becomes calm and quiet. When the Prophet then reaches the 7th sphere, Allah tells him 90.000 kalâm's (secrets), 60 thousand of those becomes Sharia, and 30 thousand is only told to Imam Ali.
When the Prophet comes down to Earth, he sees Imam Ali with the ring he gave to the lion!
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Karim there are n number of source which proofs that the Journey of Prophet was not inward. God can b present at n number of places as He wills, above Sky or below Sky… Does Allah need to explain anyone why he is above or below…? Anyways it worth discussing it was inward or outward journey…. Karim you made me think twice when I read “a hand appeared from behind curtain!” I read this for first time in my life but I think not only hand but everything was visible, there was no Curtain and Prophet has a clear Vision of Allah! Which NO ONE Before Him Had….!
Zubair Mahamood
Dear Brother, I don't think that we should make discussions across our beliefs. If your madhhab thinks that the Journey was not inward then I respect that. I think we should respect each other and learn our own faiths. I am trying to learn my own interpretation of the Miraj. But the Alevi belief suffers from lack of sources, that's wy I ask the Ismailis, as I can see the Ismailis have much in common with Alevis!
The story that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saw lion and gave him ring and when came back and saw Harat Ali had same rinn is mentioned in many books of Shia muslims. Among Ismaili Sources it is mention in famous history book "Noorum Mubin".
Hello star_munir!
Is this story only mentioned in Ismaili sources? What about Ithna Ashariya sources? Can you give quotes about this story?
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But as karim said this anecdote is symbolic of the highest spiritual state attained through the recognition of Ali as being the Absolute beyond form in his essence. As per Ismailism concept of Meraj is spiritual and not physical. It is very clear from the Farman of Imam Sultan Mohamed Shah.
Is there difference among Ismailis about this interpretation of the Miraj?
Is the Miraj of Muhammad something that took place in Haqiqa? That is to say, did it happend beyond the Mortal Human world?
Is there difference among Ismailis about this interpretation of the Miraj?
Is the Miraj of Muhammad something that took place in Haqiqa? That is to say, did it happend beyond the Mortal Human world?
Ya Ali Madad,
In Ismaili tariqah, the word of the Imam is taken as final and there cannot be any compromise on that. On this issue MSMS is quite categorical about the event as being an inward journey and not an external one. The following is an excerpt from Usul-e-din Farman.
"For instance, Jesus became one with God. He was in love with the Haqiqat (i.e. the Truth). As a result he was able to attain union with God. You must also have heard about the mi'raj (the celestial journey) of the Holy Prophet. People say that he rode on a horse upto the heavens and that was his mi'raj. This is the foolish idea of the masses. God does not dwell only in heaven; He is to be found everywhere. The night of mi'raj is the one on which the Prophet revisited his original home. Only the wise and the intelligent will understand the parables of the Prophets. The unintelligent ones will take stories at their face value."
We only allude to versions of the external event to the extent that they can illuminate the inner journey and our metaphysics. The real significance of Meraj is that it alludes to the potential within us to attain the highest state through Ibadat. We do not need the external burak (horse) to rise to the heavens. As Rumi says the real burak is love for the Beloved.
Hazarat Ali says:
maeraaj khudaakaa rasul paayaa, jeene sab raat keetee hak ba(n)dagee;
so maeraaj momeenku(n) hove, jo deelse neekaale sab duneeyaa ga(n)dakee;
raatku(n) jaage ek dhee-aansu(n), payarvee rasulkee kare keerdaar;
to us momanku(n) maeraaj hove, apane rabakaa deedaar............170
The Messenger(rasul) attained the ascension(maeraaj) of God, he performed the true servanthood every night. This ascension is possible for a momin, if from his heart he removes all the dirt of the world. At night he stays up with concentration and follows the path of the Messenger to the Creator. Then this momin experiences the Ascension by virtue of his Lord's Vision (deedaar).
raen maratabaa bahot baddaa hae, sab khalkat paave aaraam;
peer payga(m)bar valee olee-aa, raat ba(n)dageese sab paae naam;
maeraaj rasul bee raatme(n) paayaa, aashak varal paave maashuk;
jo tu(n) saach-chaa aashak-kaa, to raen ba(n)dageese mat chuk...171
The status of night is great, the entire creation attains rest therein. Peers, Prophets, Friends and Saints, have through servanthood attained the Name. The Messenger also attained maeraaj(ascension) at night and the lover attains union with the Beloved. If you are a true lover, then do not miss the night's servanthood.
Peer Sadrdeen echoes this experience of Deedar and recognition of the Imam in the following verse of ginan "Satgur Sathe Gothddee Kije".
jeere vaalaa dev jugatmaa(n) me pari bhram deetthaa
te satgur saaheb soi - re vaalaa
janamo janamanee sharannaagat raakhee
te aveechal pad mugataai - re vaalaa.................4
In the world of spirits, I witnessed Him, as the Supreme Lord. He indeed is the True Guide, the Imaam. He has accepted my surrender and submission of many births and has bestowed the everlasting exalted rank of freedom.
Thank you very much. I am very glad for your detailed replies. Alevis also believe that the Journey was inward, not outward.
But, if you are to look at the external story of the journey - with the Prophet seeing a lion - can you then refer to sources I can study on the internet? Or show me a piece of the source?
And second:
Do Ismailis have a story about "The Gathering (Jam) of the Forty (40)"?
A story about the Prophet spotting a house, and God tells him to go to the house. When he enters the house, he sees 40 people, some of them men, some of them women, including Imam Ali. These are called "The Forty".
Third:
Do Ismailis have a ritual about "bonding" two men together (Musahib), so they become brothers?
So the families of the 2 men becomes family, and the children of the two families being prohibitted to marry each other?
In Alevism, every man shall have a "Musâhib".
Thank you very much. I am very glad for your detailed replies. Alevis also believe that the Journey was inward, not outward.
But, if you are to look at the external story of the journey - with the Prophet seeing a lion - can you then refer to sources I can study on the internet? Or show me a piece of the source?
And second:
Do Ismailis have a story about "The Gathering (Jam) of the Forty (40)"?
A story about the Prophet spotting a house, and God tells him to go to the house. When he enters the house, he sees 40 people, some of them men, some of them women, including Imam Ali. These are called "The Forty".
Third:
Do Ismailis have a ritual about "bonding" two men together (Musahib), so they become brothers?
So the families of the 2 men becomes family, and the children of the two families being prohibitted to marry each other?
In Alevism, every man shall have a "Musâhib".
As for story of lion and Imam Ali, I will try to find references from shia sources and will give you. It may take few days to find it out.
I dont know about story of 40 men...Again as I said that concept of Meraj as per Ismailism is inward. The outward stories may just have symbolical meaning.
God is present every where and it is not necessary to go to heaven to meet God. Heaven is symbol of higher level or highest level.
Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) Himself said that God told Him: " I can not be accomodated between the heaven and the earth but it is wonder that I am accomodated in the heart of a momin."
In Gita Krishna says: "Jo hamesha prem aur shradha se meri seva mai lagay rehtey hain unhein mai aisi boodhi yok pradan karta hu jis se wo mujh tak aasaktey hain." (Shlok 10, Chapter 10)
Famous saint Baba Bulhey shah says:
Dil teray veech yaar pyara
Tu keih bhalien aalam saara
Ja Banaras Makkay tek
Allah Sha rag thein nazdeek
This verse tells that God is present in heart yet people in search of God go to Benaras and Mecca. Find it in your self and you will find it.
In Gita Krishna says: "Jo hamesha prem aur shradha se meri seva mai lagay rehtey hain unhein mai aisi boodhi yok pradan karta hu jis se wo mujh tak aasaktey hain." (Shlok 10, Chapter 10)
Which means:
"To those who are ever in harmony, and who worship me with their love, I give the Yoga of vision and with this they come to me."
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