Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Ghost
faisall667 wrote:
Although I am very afraid of ghosts and witches and so on, I would like to see a ghost from far away. Is that possible?
Faisal
Ghosts do not exit. People in the earlier times might have confused split personality with people being possessed. Even in western society - the church - accused women of being witches if they acted a certain way. There is no such thing as ghosts, they are just a way for people to understand the unexplainable. Supposedly my aunti was possessed, but I think it was due more to anxiety than anything. As science advances people will understand that ghosts do not exist.
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Ghost
yaali101 wrote:
Ghosts do not exit. People in the earlier times might have confused split personality with people being possessed. Even in western society - the church - accused women of being witches if they acted a certain way. There is no such thing as ghosts, they are just a way for people to understand the unexplainable. Supposedly my aunti was possessed, but I think it was due more to anxiety than anything. As science advances people will understand that ghosts do not exist.
Individuals get possessed by evil spirits. We have accounts from the Bible of Jesus performing exocism through the power of Zikr. MHI in one of his recent visits to Dar-es-Salaam also performed an exorcism on a female murid possessed by a male spirit!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Ghost
kmaherali wrote:
Individuals get possessed by evil spirits. We have accounts from the Bible of Jesus performing exocism through the power of Zikr. MHI in one of his recent visits to Dar-es-Salaam also performed an exorcism on a female murid possessed by a male spirit!
how do you know this? is there any additional information regarding this that i may access?
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Ghost
verzz wrote:
how do you know this? is there any additional information regarding this that i may access?
I was informed about it by a number of sources. If you know someone in Dar-es-Salaam, you may be able to get more information. This kind of information like many oral traditions is not documented, one has to use his/her own judgement about it's veracity/efficacy. Not all information about the Imam's activities is relayed to the Jamat formally/officially.
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: ghosts
I have witnessed a game called viji board where on a flat table top letters and nubers are written and iverted cup in the cenre moves when fewpeople lightly touch it and call the good spirit. when spirit answers it moves to different letters and spells the message .I have personally witneesed some v. profound messages being delivered. which were proved to be true including death of a person in the family.
whether good spirit can be called a ghost or not. any opinions on how viji board works?
When Allah is with us every day? How could evil spirits control the body of someone?
Some people also perform Black Magic one some of their enemies so How it can work when the most powerful force is with us day n night?
Is it approved by Allah ?
There are evil spirits around, but they cannot have any effect on a true believer who is at all times vigilant through knowledge and remembrance.
Paramahansa Yogananda explains the existence of evil spirits and how they can manifest in weak souls and how they can be overcome in his commentary of Luke 4:33-39 in his book "The Second Coming Of Christ".
[And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God."
And Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Hold thy peace, and come out of him." And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, "What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and the come out." And the fame of him went out into every place of the country round about. -- Luke 4:33-39
Paramahansa Yogananda interpreting the above verse of the Bible explains the phenomenon of possession by "tramp souls" as following:
"As people walk in sleep or cry out during a bad dream, so, during the sleep after death, unclean spirits move about in the ether crying out for relief. Often they try to get hold of some passive bodily vehicle through which to express their agony and pent-up wickedness. As a sleepwalker does many strange things, so these ghostly sleepwalkers engage in many strange antics. But they can never infest brains occupied with intelligent thinking, or people with strong will power or vibrations of spiritual perception. That is why one should never make the mind negative, or blank, in order to open oneself to messages from disincarnate spirits. This presents an ideal opportunity for possession by low-type tramp souls seeking human vehicles for expression and experience."
He then goes on to describe how a sinful person got possessed by a "tramp" soul and how Isa Nabi exorcised it as following:
"Like attracts like, so the possessed man in the synagogue, by the attraction of his own sinful vibration, drew unto himself an unclean spirit. Jesus, possessing the universal Christ Consciousness, could feel exactly what was going on within the body of the bedeviled man. And the unclean spirit, through the intuition of its astral body, could feel the power of Jesus. (Astral-bodied souls perceive through the sixth sense of intuition; but they can use it to perform the functions of vision, audition, smell, taste, touch, and so forth.) The unclean, wicked spirit kept the mind of possessed man in a state of suspension, neutrality, and sub-hypnosis of obsession, so that its victim's instruments of consciousness - senses, brain, and body - could be used without interference. A possessed individual may or may not be unconscious within his spirit-controlled body, just as a person under hypnosis may manifest the unconsciousness of sleep or the superficially normal state of the obsessed conscious mind. The unclean spirit saw Jesus through the eyes of the possessed man, and used his voice to cry loudly: "Let us alone; do not deny us freedom of expression, be it good or evil."...
Jesus did not want the unclean devil, in its irritated state, to do harm to the brain of the obsessed man. If possession by unclean devils or disembodied souls continues for long, great mischief is done to the brain, mind, and sense organs of the possessed individual, posing a threat of he advent of permanent insanity. By his life controlling will power, Jesus spoke: "Hold thy peace and come out of him." That is, stop the devilish work of wrecking possessed brains; hold on to the inner peace of the soul, hidden behind the dark barrier of self-created past evil propensities, and restore again your right behavior by coming out of the body you have forcibly and unethically occupied.
It requires strong concentration and divine will power to dislodge an evil spirit. If one has dynamic spiritual force, the entity can be thrown out by constantly looking into the eyes of a stricken individual, using steady, silent will power continuously, inwardly commanding the evil spirit to leave. The entity will depart provided the will of the healer to drive the evil force out is stronger than the latter's will to remain.
By the repeated whisper of "Aum" in the right ear of a possessed individual, the evil spirit is bound to leave. Tramp souls,having wandered out of the dark lower astral regions, cannot stand the high vibration of spiritual thoughts and consciousness. The utterance of holy names and words, especially Aum, Aum, Aum, into the ear of possessed individuals usually brings forth a quick, frightened reply from the individual like: "I am going; don't utter that holy word," which indicates spirit possession.
Jesus, drawing power from the Cosmic Aum Vibration, commanded, with his Aum-impregnated voice, the devil to come out of the body of the afflicted individual. The devil, unwilling to obey Jesus, fought against the powerful vibration. This created convulsions in the body of the bedeviled man as the powerful Cosmic Current vibrating within him tried to dislodge and shake out the intruding spirit. At last the evil entity came out of the body violently, leaving the man limp and shaken but not hurt, unable to harm him due to the intervention of the divine Christ Jesus. The people who beheld this casting out of an unclean spirit were in awe of the sovereign authority in the word of Jesus, which even demonic entities were constrained to obey - adding far and wide to the renown of Jesus."]
I have heard about an incident during one of the Padhramnis of MHI to Dar-es-Salaam, where he performed an exorcism.
And in short Evil Spirits enters into the body on their free will but if a person is high in spirituality then the spirit is bound to come out of the body?
And in short Evil Spirits enters into the body on their free will but if a person is high in spirituality then the spirit is bound to come out of the body?
Aum is a divine vibration or sound. It is a form of 'Jaap' (remembrance). When this is done by an elevated soul, it generates power through which anything can be overcome.
If a person is high in spirituality, no evil spirit can enter into his being. On the contrary this person can remove the evil spirit in someone else as in the case of Jesus above.
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Ghost
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MHI in one of his recent visits to Dar-es-Salaam also performed an exorcism on a female murid possessed by a male spirit!
As per the farmans of Imams, we all agree that our souls/spirits have been created from the Noor of Allah/Ali. Does Allah have a gender? Nope!So how is it possible for the soul to have any type of gender? The soul is genderless.
And something else to ponder about. The theory of evolution fits in perfectly with the Ismaili concept of reincarnation where the soul takes on higher forms of life until it attains the state of Fana Fillah. And as per this theory, the earlier forms of life such as single-celled organisms were asexual and thus had no gender. This further supports the idea of the soul being genderless.
And here's the ultimate argument that supports the idea of the soul being genderless. We all know of individuals who are born hermopherdites. They possess both or partial sex organs of both genders. And as such, they are considered neither males or females. Now would their spirits be hermopherdites as well? The idea is totally absurd. And what about the people who are born one gender, get a sex change operation early on in their lives and then live the rest of their lives as such. What would be their souls' gender?
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Ghost
searcher wrote:
As per the farmans of Imams, we all agree that our souls/spirits have been created from the Noor of Allah/Ali. Does Allah have a gender? Nope!So how is it possible for the soul to have any type of gender? The soul is genderless.
Keep in mind we are talking of a lower soul or 'tramp soul' as explained by Paramahansa Yogananda above. These souls exist at the lower regions of the astral world and are very much earthly bound and hence they still retain the earthly personality or consciousness with all it entails in terms of language, sex etc. It is the higher or elevated souls that lose all the awareness of their personality, even in this life!
In this particular case the woman was possessed by a male spirit and she would even talk in a strange language with a male voice!
brother faisal there is only one thing [super natural] that exist in this world and that is " jinn "
and u got 2 believe this bcoz its mentioned in quran
6:128 One day will He gather them all together, (and say): "O ye assembly of JINNs! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say: "Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
7:179 Many are the JINNs and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).
11:119 Except those on whom thy Lord hath bestowed His Mercy: and for this did He create them: and the Word of thy Lord shall be fulfilled: "I will fill Hell with JINNs and men all together."
how do you perform exorcism through ismaili point of view.....like what sura's or ayats or ginans or farmans do missionaries or anyone fit enought to do the exorcism do?
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