VISHNU, BHRAMA and SHIVA

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nagib
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Post by nagib »

Allah can be 99 in 1

This is called the beautiful names of Allah. All of his attributes comes to one though apparently they look like they are all different [Rahman, Rahim, Khaliq etc..]

So if he can be 99, he can be 3 and he can be 1.
shiraz.virani
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Post by shiraz.virani »

as per my opinion :

brahma = hazrat ibrahim [as] , the creator

vishnu = prophet muhammad[saw] , the preserver

shiva = noor mawlana shah karim al-hussiani hazar imam , the destroyer and the restorer of worlds
kmaherali
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Post by kmaherali »

In Moman Chetamni, Sayyed Imam Shah says:

18) Eji Brahma ne Vishnu Maheshvar kahiae,
Teto sarve che ae ghar mahain,
Ae ghar ma(n)thi aalaj chaliya,
Teto parvariya pirothami mahain. Cheto......

18. The Gods such as Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshvar are all one in
this Satpanth and are manifest in Ali's progeny and is present with us in this world.
kandani
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Post by kandani »

<P>The Ginans state that Prophet Muhammad is the Avatara of Brahma and that Imam 'Ali is the Avatara of Vishnu.<BR><BR>Therefore, the Nubuwwa is the manifestation of Brahma and the Imamat is that of Vishnu.<BR><BR>Shiva is the Destroyer -&nbsp;but not in the sense of evil, but in the sense of the Destroyer of Evil and the o&shy;ne who dissolves each cycle at its conclusion.&nbsp; The corresponding figure in Ismailism to the o&shy;ne who ends a cycle is the Qa'im al-Qiyamah (Lord of Resurrection).<BR><BR>Therefore, Brahma - Vishnu - Shiva correspond to the figures of Prophet - Imam - Qa'im.</P>
YaAliYaMowla
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Post by YaAliYaMowla »

kandani wrote:<P>The Ginans state that Prophet Muhammad is the Avatara of Brahma and that Imam 'Ali is the Avatara of Vishnu.<BR><BR>Therefore, the Nubuwwa is the manifestation of Brahma and the Imamat is that of Vishnu.<BR><BR>Shiva is the Destroyer -&nbsp;but not in the sense of evil, but in the sense of the Destroyer of Evil and the o&shy;ne who dissolves each cycle at its conclusion.&nbsp; The corresponding figure in Ismailism to the o&shy;ne who ends a cycle is the Qa'im al-Qiyamah (Lord of Resurrection).<BR><BR>Therefore, Brahma - Vishnu - Shiva correspond to the figures of Prophet - Imam - Qa'im.</P>
This concept of Qaim al-Qiyamah is one that is seen in some of the early Ismaili philosophy, however I dont believe in it personally for two main reasons:

1) It relies on the number of 7 as one which is significant and each cycle of 7 Imams is supposed to bring a major change. I dont see major differences between Imams corresponding to these numbers. In fact, the first 7th Imam began a short period of dawr-e satr. Hazar Imam and Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah have both brought significant changes. There was at least one cycle of 7 Imams where all were in a long period of Dawr-e Satr.

2) The concept asserts that the Qaim al-Qiyamah is one who will bring great change in the next world. Does that even really make sense according to our concept of faith and the life hereafter???
sinanmomin
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Post by sinanmomin »

shiraz virani.....

dont mind but u were wrong

vishnu is ali
bhrama is mohammed
siv is either adam or else

when mowla ali make soul of mohammed about anant crore years ago frm mowla ali 10 % noor .then mowla ( ne mohammed pr tez awaz se pukara to) mohammed beacame big ocean of boiling water n frm this water snow.water n live is made in universe......

bcuz of this hindus called universe to bhraman becuz universe made bhrama( mohammed)
mominmomin103
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Post by mominmomin103 »

well ALLAH maternal attribute is bhrama(mohammed)
paternal attributes of ALLAH in vishnu(allah it self or Ali)

PIRSHAH is our jaamp which is indeed ALLAH
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