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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: time period of jugs and avatar Reply with quote

From my research i confirm that the period of every avatar from ginan is 432000 but according to my expreience of study in Hindu religion, the MAHABHARATA was held between 1500B.C. to 1600B.C. and this shows that MAHABHARATA was held 3500 to 3600 years ago However there should be a preiod of 432000 between DWAPUR YUG and KAL YUG, but it does not resemble the above fact , is this 432000 years human years or what?
according to my expreince of Hindu religion "the period of every avatar of demigods( Devtas and Devtis) is 1200 years and the Hindus think that 1 day of demigods( Devtas and Devtis) is equal to 360 days according to VIKRAM CALENDER, thus the problem was solved by the followings calculations
1200(demigod's year) x 360 = 432000(human years)"

From: SHRIMAD BHAGVATAM

According to Shrimad bhagvatam, 5000 years have been lapsed after Dwapur Yug and there are 427000 yers left in the coming of Kalki (Naklanki) avatar

plz clear the above complications of time period in the light of ginan and farman
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in agreement with your time frame. Here is the explanation I had given in another discussion outside this forum.

TIME FRAME

To set the context for the times of the events/occurrences under discussion, I will first quote the pertinent excerpts from Swami Sri Yukteshwar’s book The Holy Science, as I believe there is much to be gained from the pluralism around us. We should not be restricted to Abrahamic traditions but seek understanding from traditions beyond, particularly when our Ginanic tradition has very little contextual relationship with them.

In my opinion Swami Yukteshwar’s enlightened theory is more consistent and illuminates and explains many phenomena particularly regarding the evolution of human intelligence and therefore I have a higher degree of confidence in his time frames. I will let you decide for yourselves on its efficacy and relevance. Here we go…

“My paramguruji maharaj Babaji smiled and, honouring me with the title of
Swami, imposed on me the task of this book. I was chosen, I do not know the reason why, to remove the barriers and help in establishing the basic truth in all religions….

A short discussion with mathematical calculation of the yugas or ages will
explain the fact that the present age for the world is Dwapura Yuga, and
that 194 years of the Yuga have now (A.D. 1894) passed away, bringing a
rapid development in man’s knowledge.

We learn from Oriental astronomy that moons revolve around their planets, and planets turning on their axes revolve with their moons round the sun; and sun, with its planets and their moons, takes some star for its dual and revolves round it in about 24,000 years of our earth – a celestial
phenomenon which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around the zodiac. The sun also has another motion by which it revolves round a grand centre called Vishnunabhi, which is the seat of creative power, Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates dharma, the mental virtue of the internal world.

When the sun in its revolution round its dual comes to the place nearest to
this grand centre, the seat of Brahma (an event which takes place when the Autumnal Equinox comes to the first point of Aries), dharma, the mental virtue, becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Sprirt.

The autumnal Equinox will be falling, at the beginning of the twentieth
century, among the fixed stars of the Virgo constellation, and in the early
part of the Ascending Dwapura Yuga. (see diagram on pg 9)

After 12,000 years, when the sun goes to the place in its orbit which is
farthest from Brahma, the grand centre (an event which takes place when the Autumnal Equinox is on the first point of Libra), dharma, the mental virtue, comes to such a reduced state that man cannot grasp anything beyond the gross material creation. Again, in the same manner, when the sun in its course of revolution begins to advanced toward the place nearest to the grand centre, dharma, the mental virtue, begins to develop; this growth is gradually completed in another 12,000 years.

Each of these periods of 12,000 years brings a complete change, both
externally in the material world, and internally in the intellectual or
electric world, and is called one of the Daiva Yugas or Electric Couple.
Thus, in a period of 24,000 years, the sun completes the revolution around
its dual and finishes one electric cycle consisting of 12,000 years in an
ascending arc and 12,000 years in a descending arc.

Development of dharma, the mental virtue, is but gradual and is divided into four different stages in a period of 12,000 years. The time of 1200 years during which the sun passess through a 1/20th portion of its orbit is called Kali Yuga. Dharma, mental virtue, is then in its first stage and is only a quarter developed; the first stage and is only a quarter developed; the human intellect cannot comprehend anything beyond the gross material of this ever-changing creation, the external world.

The period of 2400 years during which the sun passes through the 2/20th
portion of its orbit is called Dwapura Yuga. Dharma, the mental virtue, is
then in the second stage of development and is but half complete; the human intellect can then comprehend the fine matters or electricities and their attributes which are the creating principles of the external world.

The period of 3600 years during which the sun passes through the 3/20th part of its orbit is called Treta Yuga. Dharma, the mental virtue, is then in the third stage; the human intellect becomes able to comprehend the divine magnetism, the source of all electrical forces on which the creation depends for its existence.

The period of 4800 years during which the sun passes through the remaining 4/20th portion of its orbit is called Satya Yuga. Dharma, the mental virtue, is then in its fourth stage and completes its full development; the human intellect can comprehend all, even God the Spirit beyond this visible world.

Manu, a great rishi (illumined sage) of Satya Yuga, describes these Yugas
more clearly in the following passage from his Samhita:

[Four thousands of years, they say, is the Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga or the
“Golden Age” of the world). Its morning twilight has just as many hundreds, and its period of evening dusk is of the same length (i.e.,
400+4000+400=4800). In the other three ages, with their morning and evening twilights, the thousands, and the hundreds decrease by one (i.e.,
300+3000+300=3600; etc.). That fourfold cycle comprising 12,000 years is called an Age of the Gods. The sum of a thousand divine ages constitutes one day of Brahma; and of the same length is its night.]

The period of Satya Yuga is 4000 years in duration; 400 years before and
after Satya Yuga proper are its sandhis or periods of mutation with the
preceding and the succeeding Yugas respectively; hence 4800 years in all is the proper age of Satya Yuga. In the calculation of the period of other
Yugas and Yugasandhis, it is laid down that the numeral one should be
deducted from the numbers of both thousands and hundreds which indicate the periods of the previous Yugas and sandhis, the periods of mutation, which make a total of 3600 years.

So 2000 years is the age of Dwapura Yuga, with 200 years before and after as its sandhis; a total of 2400 years. Lastly, 1000 years is the length of KaliYuga, with 100 years before and after as sandhis; a total of 1200 years.Thus 12,000 years, the sum total of all periods of these four Yugas, is the length of one of the Daiva Yugas or Electric Couple, two of which, that is, 24,000 years, make the electric cycle complete.

From 11,501 B.C., when the Autumnal Equinox was on the first point of Aries, the sun began to move away from the point of its orbit nearest to the grand centre toward the point farthest from it, and accordingly the intellectual power of man began to diminish. During the 4800 years which the sun took to pass through one of its orbit, the intellect of man lost altogether the power of grasping spiritual knowledge. During the 3600 years following, which the sun took to pass through the Descending Treta Yuga, the intellect gradually lost all power of grasping the knowledge of electricities and their attributes. In 1200 more years the sun passed through the Descending Kali Yuga and reached the point its orbit which is farthest from the grand centre; the Autumnal Equinox was on the first point of Libra. The intellectual power of man was so much diminished that it could no longer comprehend anything beyond the gross material creation. The period around A.D. 500 was thus the darkest part of Kali Yuga and of the whole cycle of 24,000 years. History indeed bears out the accuracy of these ancient calculations of the Indian rishis, and records the widespread ignorance and suffering in all nations at that period.

From A.D. 499 onward, the sun began to advance toward the grand centre, and the intellect of man started gradually to develop. During the 1100 years of the Ascending Kali Yuga, which brings us to A.D. 1599, the human intellect was so dense that it could not comprehend the electricities, Sukshmabhuta, the fine matters of creation. In the political world also, generally speaking, there was no peace in any kingdom.

Subsequent to this period, when the 100-year transitional sandhi of Kali
Yuga set in, to effect a union with the following Dwapara Yuga, men began to notice the existence of fine matters, panchatanmatra or the attributes of
electricities; and political peace began to be established.

About A.D. 1600, William Gilbert discovered magnetic forces and observed the presence of electricity in all material substances. In 1609 Keplar discovered important laws of astronomy, and Galileo produced a telescope. In 1621Drebbel of Holland invented the microscope. About 1670 Newton discovered the law of gravitation. In 1700 Thomas Savery made use of a steam engine in raising water. Twenty years later Stephen Gray discovered the action of electricity on the human body.
In the political world, people began to have respect for themselves, and
civilization advanced in many ways. England united with Scotland and became a powerful kingdom. Napoleon Bonaparte introduced his new legal code into southern Europe. America won its independence, and many parts of Europe were peaceful.

With the advance of science, the world began to be covered with railways and telegraphic wires. By the help of steam engines, electric machines, and many other instruments, fine matters were brought into practical use, although their nature was not clearly understood. In 1899, on completion of the period of 200 years of Dwapara Sandhi, the time of mutation, the true Dwapura Yuga of 2000 years will commence and will give to mankind in general a thorough understanding of the electricities and their attributes.

Such is the great influence of Time which governs the universe. No man can overcome this influence except him who, blessed with pure love, the heavenly gift of nature, becomes divine; being baptized in the sacred stream Pranava (the Holy Aum vibration), he comprehends the Kingdom of God.

The position of the world in the Dwapura Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894) is not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and
astrologers who calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and now maintain that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years, of which 4994 have (in A.D. 1984) passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark prospect! and fortunately one not true.

The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time during the reign of Raja
Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali
Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parikshit.
Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court, retired
to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several Yugas.

Hence, after the compilation of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara Yuga, no one dared to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years.

According to this wrong method of calculating, therefore, the first year of
Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga. In A.D. 499, when 1200 years, the length of true Kali Yuga, was complete, and the sun had reached the point of its orbit farthest from the grand centre (when the Autumnal Equinox was on the first point of Libra in the heavens), the age of Kali in its darkest period was then numbered by 3600 years instead of by 1200.

With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D 499, the sun began to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand centre, and accordingly the intellectual power of man started to develop. Therefore the mistake in the almanacs began to be noticed by the wise men of the time, who found that the calculations of the ancient rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at 1200 years only. But as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably developed, they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva years (“years of the gods”), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Hence according to these men 1200 years of Kali Yuga must equal to 432,000 years of our earth.

In coming to a right conclusion, however, we should take into consideration the position of the Vernal Equinox at spring in the year 1894.

The astronomical reference books show the Vernal Equinox now to be 20*54’36” distant from the first point of Aries (the fixed star Revati), and by calculation it will appear that 1394 years have passed since the time when the Vernal Equinox began to recede from the first point of Aries.

Deducing 1200 years (the length of the last Ascending Kali Yuga) from 1394 years, we get 194 to indicate the present year of the world’s entrance into the Ascending Dwapara Yuga. The mistake of older almanacs will thus be clearly explained when we add 3600 years to this period of 1394 years and get 4994 years – which according to the prevailing mistaken theory represents the present year (A.D. 1894) in the Hindu almanacs.

[Referring to the Diagram given in this book, the reader will see that the
Autumnal Equinox is now (A.D. 1894) falling among the stars of the Virgo
constellation, and in the Ascending Dwapara Yuga.]

In this book certain truths such as those about the properties of magnetism, its auras, different sorts of electricities, etc., have been mentioned, although modern science has not yet fully discovered them. The five sorts of electricity can be easily understood if one will direct his attention to the nerve properties, which are purely electrical in nature. Each of the five sensory nerves has its characteristic and unique function to perform. The optic nerve carries light and does not perform the functions of the auditory and other nerves; the auditory nerve in its turn carries sound only, without performing the functions of any other nerves, and so on. Thus it is clear that there are five sorts of electricity, corresponding to the five properties of cosmic electricity.

So far as magnetic properties are concerned, the grasping power of the human intellect is at present so limited that it would be quite useless to attempt to make the matter understood by the genera public. The intellect of man in Treta Yuga will comprehend the attributes of divine magnetism (the next Treta Yuga will start in A.D. 4099). There are indeed exceptional personages now living who, having overcome the influence of Time, can grasp today what ordinary people cannot grasp; but this book is not for those exalted ones, who require nothing of it.

In concluding this introduction, we may observe that the different planets,
exercising their influence over the various days of the week, have lent
their names to their respective days; similarly, the different
constellations of stars, having influence over various months, have lent
their names to the Hindu months. Each of the great Yugas has much influence over the period of time covered by it; hence, in designing the years it is desirable that such terms should indicate to which Yuga they belong.

As the Yugas are calculated from the position of the equinox, the method of numbering the years in reference to their respective Yuga is based on a
scientific principle; its use will obviate much inconvenience which has
arisen in the past owing to association of the various eras with persons of
eminence rather than with celestial phenomena of the fixed stars. We
therefore propose to name and number the year in which this introduction has been written as 194 Dwapara, instead of A.D. 1894, to show the exact time of the Yuga now passing. This method of calculation was prevalent in India till the reign of Raja Vikramaditya, when the Samvat era was introduced. As the Yuga method of calculation recommends itself to reason, we follow it, and recommend that it be followed by the public in general.

Now in this 194th year of Dwapara Yuga, the dark age of Kali having long
since passed, the world is reaching out for spiritual knowledge, and men
require loving help one from the other. The publishing of this book,
requested from me by my holy paramguru maharaj Babaji, will, I hope, be of spiritual service.” (Swami Sri Yukeswar Giri, Serampore, West Bengal, The 26th Falgun, 194 Dwapara (A.D. 1894)

From our Old Dua and Ginans we know that there were four avatars in Satya Yuga, three avatars in Treta Yuga, two avatars in Dwapara Yuga and one in Kaliyuga (Descending).

PAHELAA KARTAA JUGAMAA(N)HE SONAANAARE GHATT
PEER SADARDEEN

ejee pahelaa kartaa jugmaa(n) he sonaanaare ghatt shaahnaa sonaanaare paatt
sonaane see(n)ghaasanne betthaa shree narsha(n)g jee raay
gur bheermaajee nee aartee ne chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)ttannaa chha(n)ttaay.....1

During the first era of Kartaa, the Path was golden and the Lord's stage or'paat' (as in ghatpaat) was also golden. Lord Narsang was seated on a golden throne as the king. Through the supplications and invocations of the Guide, the Creator (Prophetic Light), the place was decorated and was shining with glory. Sprinkle the Lord with yellowish and golden particles.


ejee beeje tretaa jugmaa(n)he rupaanaare ghatt shaah naa rupaanaare paatt
rupaane see(n)ghaasanne betthaa shree raamcha(n)ddhrajee raay
gur veejeshtthann nee aartee ne chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)ttannaa chha(n)ttaay.....2

During the second era of Tretaa, the Path was silver and the Lord's stage was also silver. Lord Raamchandra was seated on a silver throne as the King. Through the supplications of the Guide Veejeshtan, the place was decorated and made glorious. Sprinkle the Lord with yellowish and golden particles.


ejee treeje duaapur jugmaa(n)he traa(m)baanaare ghatt shaahnaa traa(m)baa naa re paatt
traa(m)baane see(n)ghaasanne betthaa shree karashanjee raay
gur veedurvyaas nee aartee ne chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)ttannaa chha(n)taay......3

During the third era of Duaapur, the Path was of copper and the Lord's stage was also of copper. Lord Shree Krishnaa was seated on a copper throne as the king. Through the supplications of the Guide Veedurvyaas, the place was decorated and made glorious. Sprinkle the Lord with yellowish and golden particles.


aaj kaljug maa(n)he maattee naare ghatt shaahnaa maatteenaare paatt
maatteene see(n)ghaasanne betthaa shree nakala(n)kee raay
gur nabee muhamadnee aarteene chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)tannaa chha(n)taay
peer sadardeen nee aartee ne chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)tannaa chha(n)taay........4

Today in the present age, the Path is of clay and the Lord's stage ia also of clay.
Lord Hazarat Aly (Shree Naklank) is seated on the throne of clay as the king.
Through the supplications of the Guide Prophet Muhammed, the place was
decorated and made glorious. Sprinkle the Lord with yellowish and golden particles.
The place was made glorious through the supplications of Peer Sadardeen. Sprinle..


Satya Yuga - Descending ( 11,501 B.C. – 6,701 B.C.) 4800 years
Treta Yuga - Descending (6,701 B.C. – 3,101 B.C.) 3600 years
Dwapara Yuga - Descending ( 3,101 B.C. – 701 B.C.) 2400 years
Kali Yuga - Descending (701BC – 499A.D.) 1200 years
Kali Yuga – Ascending (500 A.D. – 1700 A.D.) 1200 years
Dwapara Yuga – Ascending ( 1700 A.D. – 2006) 306 years

Just to illustrate the advanced state of the pre-historic times below is a link to the YouTube: Forbidden Discoveries - Ancient Atomic Blast and Aeronautical Science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_PfhV_Hns4&NR=1


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CATVARI TRINI DVE CAIKAM
KRTADISU YATHA-KRAMAM
SANKHYATANI SAHASRANI
DVI-GUNANI SATANI CA
Third Canto(THE STATUS QUO), shrimad bhagavatam
TRANSLATION:"THE DURATION OF THE SATYA MILLENNIUM EQUALS 4,800 YEARS OF THE DEMIGODS; THE DURATION OF THE TETRA MILLENNIUM EQUALS 3,600 YEARS OF THE DEMIGODS; THE DURATION OF THE DVAPARA MILLENNIUM EQUALS 2,400; AND THAT OF THE KALI MILLENNIUM IS 1,200 YEARS OF THE DEMIGODS."
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about the period of each avtaar and their fight against their daits

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well kmaher ali you have just proved that now we are in a era of ascending dwapur yug but what about the last fight of mowla with dait kalinga in which there would be huge army and mowla will win and then according to anat akharo of pir Hassan Kabiruddin mominin will rule the world for 125000 years
reference is given
AASHAJI SAVA LAKH KALJUG MAHE BHOGOE
PACHE AMRAPURI PHANCHE JI
AMAR MANIA TE AMRAPURI POHATA
TE DIDARI SHAH NA SADAE
ALI ANAT.......................... (35)

In this ginan it is cleary mentioned that after kaljug's fight mominin will be in throne for 125000 years but with your calculations kaljug is over and we are ascending towards the more intellectual and spiritual world but according to pir in the following verses

AASHAHJI KALJUG MAHE PATAR NAKLANKI AVE
AWE TE GADH MULISTAN JI
PANCH NADI GADH HAITH JA HOISE
TIYA TE DAIT NE GHAISE
ALI ANATA........ (64)



the above verse clearly establishes that imam will come to multan in kaljug and will defeat the dait (enemy) in the castle of multan

so if Kaljug is over then all this events would have taken place but we find no such huge fight in history and not any huge gathering such that mention in our ginans in which all nijat-yafta momins will come and all the nabis will come also accompanied by fharistas so that woul be gathering of anat crores in the end of kal jug and no such event has taken place

so now what you think about it?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

khidmatgar wrote:

In this ginan it is cleary mentioned that after kaljug's fight mominin will be in throne for 125000 years but with your calculations kaljug is over and we are ascending towards the more intellectual and spiritual world but according to pir in the following verses


Aashaajee Savaa laakh kaljug maanhe bhog-ve
pachhee amraapuree pohonche-jee
amar maaneeyaa te amraapuree pahota
te deedaaree Shah-naa sadaay............Haree anant...35

Oh Lord 125,000 (souls) make sacrifices in the present age
then they will attain paradise
Those who obeyed the commands(Farmans) attained paradise
they will always (permanently) remain the Lord's
deedaaree
Haree You are eternal...

The above translation does not refer to 125,000 years.
khidmatgar wrote:



AASHAHJI KALJUG MAHE PATAR NAKLANKI AVE
AWE TE GADH MULISTAN JI
PANCH NADI GADH HAITH JA HOISE
TIYA TE DAIT NE GHAISE
ALI ANATA........ (64)



the above verse clearly establishes that imam will come to multan in kaljug and will defeat the dait (enemy) in the castle of multan?


Ginans should not always be interpreted literally. They are allegorical. Below is a translation and it's allegorical interpretation.

O Lord In the present era the pure and perfect
vessel(manifestation) will come
and He will come to the hill fort of Multaan
Five rivers will flow underneath the fort
It is there that He will slay the enemy
Haree You are eternal...

The hill fort of Multaan can be interpreted as the symbol of the individual
soul. The five rivers are the five sense outlets through which the soul
encounters the world. The enemy referred to here is the lower self.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First and foremost, please forgive me for my lack of understanding. I am a recent graduate and with school and everything, I never had the tme to look into these matters. I recently graduated, and now I want to focus more on the learning of religious matters. I am fairly new to these, since these concepts were never taught in the religious classes. With this said, some of the questions that I may ask throughout the forum may seem ridiculous.

So are you saying that we are in Dwapara Yuga? I have always heard from various sources that we are in Kali Yuga. I specifically recall from Rai Abu Aly's waezes that he has mentioned several places that our Ginans have mentioned that so-and-so will happen during Kali Yuga and that he has pointed some of those things happening in "today's" world. So there is a contradiction if you're saying Kali Yuga is over. And if the Ginans are pointing out to Kali Yuga, does that mean those events, either literally or symbolically, did take place already? For example, the Ginan Ajab Ajaeb Dekho Moman Bhai takes about Kali Yug, and the example it gives for Kali Yuga is more prominent in today's world. If look back at my grandparent's time, there was more harmony amongst the families than it is today. And the Ginan says there will be destruction and immorality during Kali Yug. So how can Kali Yug be already over?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting and pertinent questions, keep asking….

I think first of all it must be realized that evil has always existed, whether it was the Kerta Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dwapur Yuga or Kali Yuga. That is the reason that the Lord assumed manifestations (avatars) across ages to conquer the evil forces. The difference in the Yugas is in respect of the mental capacities of mankind to comprehend creation and God and hence create civilizations and better conditions of living. The Period of Kerta Yuga was the Golden Period of high culture and civilization whereas the period of Kali Yuga is considered the period of the Dark Age. Incidentally all the biblical prophets mentioned in the scriptures of Abrahamic traditions (since Hazarat Adam) lived in the Kali Yuga to guide mankind through the Dark Age. Prophet Muhammad’s life coincided with the darkest phase.

It is also true to say that because in the Kerta Yuga mankind generally had a higher or developed intellect, and hence comprehended the spiritual life better, they had higher ethics relative to the KaliYuga. Nevertheless evil has always existed, the difference being in degree and frequency of occurrence.

In the Ginans reference is frequently made of Kali Yuga, which can also be interpreted as the present age. Kali Yuga was the age during which the Ginans were composed and hence it can serve as a symbol of the present age. Ginans are timeless and hence have to be interpreted in a manner which makes them relevant at all times and not only for a certain time/era.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all makes so much sense now! Thanks for the clarification!
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http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20332

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20331

visit this link, it leads to a table recently added to the new Heritage website, explaining a lot about this subject. Surely you will not regret it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin wrote:
http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20332

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20331

visit this link, it leads to a table recently added to the new Heritage website, explaining a lot about this subject. Surely you will not regret it.

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It is stated in the article in the above link:

The 4 Yugs (Jugs) are:

KARTA YUG - 1,728,000 yrs.
TRETA YUG - 1,296,000 yrs.
DWAPUR YUG - 864,000 yrs.
KAL YUG - 432,000 yrs.
Totally, 4,320,000 years.

In my explanation of the Yugas I stated:

KARTA YUG - 4800 yrs.
TRETA YUG - 3600 yrs.
DWAPUR YUG - 2400 yrs.
KAL YUG - 1200 yrs.
Totally, 12000 years

In our Ginan 'Pahela Kartaa Jugmanhe Shahna' Pir Sadardeen has stated that Sri Ramchandra lived during the Treta Yuga which would mean that he would have been 864,000 + years ago. All scholars today place Ramayana between 6000 BC and 4,000 BC - no where near the dates indicated by the article.

One way to resolve the issue is to consider 12,000 years as a day in the year of the Bhrama, half the time it takes for the sun to move around its dual as explained in my post earlier. If we multiply 12000 by 360 we get 4,320,000 years in one Bhrama year.

Hence the Yugas move in cycles of 12,000 years (one day of Bhrama). The period of 432,000 years of Kal Yug does not happen all at once but rather in periods of 1,200 years occurring 360 times....

Alternatively the figures indicated by the article could be days and not years.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya Ali Madad

Below granths clearly says when the kaljug started, right after Paandav left.

Please explain the below with the above theory.

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Khat Nirinjan
By Pir Sadardin

Tiyaa paanch paandaw-ne kidhaa paak
Tene bhannaaviyaa ajampiyaa jaap … 213

Sa(n)vant chaaliso solaa saar,
Maagsar paddavo ne budhavaar … 214

Sat gayun paandwo-ne saath
Kaljoog betho tenni-j raat … 220

Jibhiyaa Indri ekaj naad
Jo baandhe so utare paar … 221

Indri thar vinaa paap na jaae
Paap gayaa vinaa shuddh na thaae … 222

Shuddh thayaa vinaa amar na thaae
Amar thayaa vinaa didaar na paa-e … 223

Bhagati vinaa koi jugati na thaa-e
Jugati vinaa koi mugati na paa-e … 224

Mugati vinaa amar na thaa-e
Amar thayaa vinaa didaar na paa-e … 225

Ewi vaanni satgur kahe
Das-mu awataar Shri Nakalank lahe … 226


Budha Avataar
by Pir Sadardin

Navamu roop hari budha avatar, mugali roop dharyo muraar … 1

1. The Ninth Divine Manifestation was Budh, He appeared in the guise of a Moghol

Paandav jyaan hom jagaajnaj kare, tyaan betthaa bhraahmann ved ochare … 7

7. (At the place) where the Pandaw are accomplishing their religious ceremonies (Hom Jagan), The Brahmins, seated, are reciting the Vedas.

Taare laago kaljug ne duaapur utaryo, dev rikhisar tthaam chhoddi gayaa … 8

8. At that moment started the Kaljug, and the Duapurjug ended, The angels as well as the faithful deserted this world.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

panjwaniamir wrote:
Ya Ali Madad

Below granths clearly says when the kaljug started, right after Paandav left.

Please explain the below with the above theory.



The theory does not contradict the Granths. Yes Dua Pur Yuga ended after the Paandavs and Kali Yuga began....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
panjwaniamir wrote:
Ya Ali Madad

Below granths clearly says when the kaljug started, right after Paandav left.

Please explain the below with the above theory.



The theory does not contradict the Granths. Yes Dua Pur Yuga ended after the Paandavs and Kali Yuga began....


Alternatively the figures indicated by the article could be days and not years.


According to the Pirs each avatar is 432,000 years and not days and you can find this in various ginans.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

panjwaniamir wrote:
According to the Pirs each avatar is 432,000 years and not days and you can find this in various ginans.
Ginans are allegorical and should be interpreted based onthe available historical information. Most scholars date Ramayana between 6000 BC to 4000BC. So where are the thousands of years?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
Most scholars date Ramayana between 6000 BC to 4000BC. So where are the thousands of years?
Most scholars date the Ramayana to perhaps 400 BC, although the oldest form we have is from the 11th century. A considerable growth of the story probably happened between the early period and the 11th century as society, culture, language and technologies shifted as did the religious ideas within India.

Not that I don't love it, however. If you haven't had a chance to see the latest version, SITA SINGS THE BLUES (it's been released free for copyright issues), you should go right now and watch it. http://www.sitasingstheblues.com/ It's fantastic.
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TheMaw wrote:
400 BC, although the oldest form we have is from the 11th century. A considerable growth of the story probably happened between the early period and the 11th century as society, culture, language and technologies shifted as did the religious ideas within India.


Below is the link to the dates:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&as_q=Ramayana+date&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
panjwaniamir wrote:
According to the Pirs each avatar is 432,000 years and not days and you can find this in various ginans.
Ginans are allegorical and should be interpreted based onthe available historical information. Most scholars date Ramayana between 6000 BC to 4000BC. So where are the thousands of years?


There is no unanimous opinion regarding the date of compilation or revelation of the four Vedas. According to Swami Dayanand, founder of the Arya Samaj, the Vedas were revealed 1310 million years ago. According to other scholars, they are not more than 4000 years old. Similarly, there are differing opinions regarding the places where these books were compiled and the Rishis to whom these Scriptures were given.

This is the ginan where we can find the explaination of the Das Avatar in details. If someone can translate this will make easy to understand.

Eji Aad to alakh agiya ramiyo, tame juvo juvo ved puraann;
sarve chaiytan paramaat-maa, bhaai tej tenu paramaann 1


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is what I understands from this ginan. Our Pir has given us the calculation which is amazing. I may be wrong and open for corrections. It will be great that someone translate this properly cos I was only gathering the numbers from the ginan.

Thanks
Amir

Aad to alakh agiya ramiyo tame juvo juvo ved puraann
Eji Aad to alakh agiya ramiyo, tame juvo juvo ved puraann;
sarve chaiytan paramaat-maa, bhaai tej tenu paramaann 1

Eji Tej bi(n)b tiyaan jalhale, ane shestra kott hajaar;
maai baap tenu koi nahi, ane te chhe alakh kirtaar 2

Eji Maayaa maanhen thi jug rachaaviyaa, ane Ishwar akal apaar;
chaar jug no lekho kari, Hari ye dhariyaa das avtaar 3

Eji Tetaalis laakh varas, ane upar vis hajaar;
tenu puraanne puraanne lekho kariyo, te chhelo Naklanki avtaar 4

4,320,000 made 4 Jugs, and Naklanki is the last Avataar.

Eji Bhramaa ni ghaddi ek maa, tenaa varas sataannu laakh;
vis hajaar te upar chhe, teni puraanne puraanne chhe saankh 5

1 Bharmaa Ghaddi = 9720,000 years

Eji Bhramaa naa pahor ek maa, ek soh ne ensi avtaar;
tena adhaar to kaljug gayaa, tame ginaani karjo virchar 6

1 Bharmaa Pahor = 8 Bharmaa Ghaddis = 77,760,000 years
In which 180 Avataars were there also 18 Kaljug were passed in this period.
Kaljug is 432,000x18=77760,000
Avataars 180÷18=10 Each 432,000 has 10 Avataars

Eji Bhramaa naa din ek maa, Indra itthaa-vis hoy;
saat so ne vis upar kahiyen, bhaai Hari naa avataar soy 7

1 Bharmaa Day = 8 Bharmaa Pahor = 64 Bharmaa Ghaddis = 6, 22,080,000 years
In which 28 Indra and 720 Avataars were there.

Eji Evaa so varas Bhramaa bhogave, em boliyaa chaar-e ved;
soh varas maa avtaar ketlaa thayaa, ane sunno tenu bhed 8

1 Bharmaa year = 360 days = 223948800000 years
1 Bharmaa year = 365 days = 227059200000 years

100 Bharmaa years = 22394880000000 years (Using 360 days)
100 Bharmaa years = 22705920000000 years (Using 365 days)
How many Avataars were there in these 100yrs? Listen to the secret.

Eji Bee karodd ne ogann-saatth laakh, ane upar vis hajaar;
avtaar Hari naa etlaa thayaa, tame ginaani vichaar karjo vichaar 9

2 Crore 59 Lakhs 20 Thousands (25,920,000) total Avataars of Hari.

Eji Bhramaa ni aayush vishe, ane Indra te ketlaa hoy;
das laakh ne aatth hajaar, bhaai etlaa to Indra hoy 10

10 Lakhs 8 Thousands (108,000) were total Indra.

Eji Evaa annek Bhramaa aage huvaa, ane Aadam laakho karodd;
asankh to vishnav huvaa, pann nahi koi Shaah ni jodd 11

Similarly there were many Bharmaas, and Adams were millions (Lakhs-Crores). Countless were Vishnu, but no one like Shah (Ali).

Eji Dharam sat ni naav maanhe besiye, to pohochiye pahele paar;
Satgur maalam paramaat-maa, em boliyaa Pir Sadardin saar 12
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Satya Yuga - Descending ( 11,501 B.C. – 6,701 B.C.) 4800 years
Treta Yuga - Descending (6,701 B.C. – 3,101 B.C.) 3600 years
Dwapara Yuga - Descending ( 3,101 B.C. – 701 B.C.) 2400 years
Kali Yuga - Descending (701BC – 499A.D.) 1200 years
Kali Yuga – Ascending (500 A.D. – 1700 A.D.) 1200 years
Dwapara Yuga – Ascending ( 1700 A.D. – 2006) 306 years
The video below explains the 24,000 year cycle (The Great Year) beautifully.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/33373/THE_GREAT_YEAR/
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Here is what I understands from this ginan. Our Pir has given us the calculation which is amazing. I may be wrong and open for corrections. It will be great that someone translate this properly cos I was only gathering the numbers from the ginan.


Amir,
Will you please e-mail this ginan to me.
Your attempt looks very good, I mean nobody can come close to this translation.
I heard translation of this ginan in one waez of Rai Abu Ali.
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There is an interesting book explaining the theory of Yugas and a different perspective of history than what we have conventionally accepted.

The introduction of the book can be accessed online at:

http://www.crystalclarity.com/content.php?type=intro&code=BTY
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kmaherali wrote:
There is an interesting book explaining the theory of Yugas and a different perspective of history than what we have conventionally accepted.

The introduction of the book can be accessed online at:

http://www.crystalclarity.com/content.php?type=intro&code=BTY


Karim - did you catch the movie?

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ShamsB wrote:

Karim - did you catch the movie?

Shams
Which movie, Shams?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Budhha the ninth incarnations was Hazarat Adam?
was he Adam Shafiullah?
Was he same as other believers think Gautam Budhha who was born in kapilwastu around 2000 years ago?
What about the ginans? Which says differently?
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Gautama has nothing to do with the 9th Awatar Boudhh, it is only a coincidence of name, nothing more.

Boudh Awatar is the father of Adam, his Imamat passed to Mowlana Shish (known as Seth in the Bible)

Boudh Awatar is known as Hazrat Honeyd also. All this has been discussed previously.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 Marvels Of Ancient Construction That Might Have Been Built By Aliens

Some civilizations have baffled us by being way ahead of their time with their technology and coordination. Is it possible that they had an assist from beyond the stars?

VIDEO:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/4-marvels-of-ancient-construction-that-might-have-been-built-by-aliens/vi-AAjMqii?ocid=mailsignout

My answer to the question is that the ancient civilizations before the Kailyuga were far advanced..
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The story below reinforces the view that there were ancient civilizations before the Kaliyuga that were far more advanced....

Mysterious pyramids found in Antarctica

Google Earth images of Antarctica have revealed what look like pyramids - prompting conspiracy theorists to suggest they were created by anything from lost civilizations to aliens.

The 'snow pyramids' have the internet abuzz with the idea there was an ancient human civilization that once lived in Antarctica.

Three pyramids have been found, with two of them 10 miles inland and the third near the coastline. They have four sides, prompting comparisons to the Egyptian pyramids of Giza.

Some scientists suggest humans could once have lived in the frozen area as it may once have been a lot warmer, perhaps even up to 20C.

Photo and more...
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/mysterious-pyramids-found-in-antarctica/ar-AAkIAvE?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agakhani wrote:
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Here is what I understands from this ginan. Our Pir has given us the calculation which is amazing. I may be wrong and open for corrections. It will be great that someone translate this properly cos I was only gathering the numbers from the ginan.


Amir,
Will you please e-mail this ginan to me.
Your attempt looks very good, I mean nobody can come close to this translation.
I heard translation of this ginan in one waez of Rai Abu Ali.


Dear Sir,

Were you able to do the translation of the ginan? Really intrigued
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kmaherali wrote:
ShamsB wrote:

Karim - did you catch the movie?

Shams
Which movie, Shams?


http://www.awaketheyoganandamovie.com/
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