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When Hazar Imam left Garden Jamat Khana o&shy;n o&shy;n November 6th at 7:00 pm, a <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>large crowd had gathered near the road. Amongst the throng of Muslims <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>stood <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>two Hindu ladies who were waiting for the Imam. Because of the heavy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">rush, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>the Aga Khan Volunteers were forced to cordon off the crowd with a rope. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>As <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>the car approached the women, Imam moved from o&shy;ne side of the seat to the <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>other, opened the window and revealed His Holy Face. Just then, the rope <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>broke exactly where these women were standing. They stepped forward <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>towards <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>the car and received the Imam's Holy Didar. Imam then closed the window. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>The <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Ismaili Volunteers were astonished at this incident. When the Imam <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>departed, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>they approached the women and asked about it. The women said, "We are not <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Muslims, but Hindus. Our lord Krishna told us in a dream last night thst <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>He <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>would make His appearance o&shy;n a road neat the Jamat Khana of the Khoja <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Ismailis in the midst of a large crowd. Indeed, today we have seen our <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Lord!" This miracle is a proof of theory of das avtar given in ginans {which are now banned}many ismailis do not believe in the concept of das avtar while some of them believe.According to some,ths concept was given just for converting hindus to muslims.what do you believe?</SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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IMAM SMS

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1945 MISSION CONFERENCE

Juma Bhagat had asked about the word meaning fish to be changed in the dua.
IMAM SMS stated something to the effect...
If that is the case then we should stop the dua alltogether. He then explained...
When all life on earth was in the form of fishes the Imam had to be in the form of a fish to guide them.



It just stands to reason that in order to guide the Imam would have to be in the form of the ones being guided.

Life on earth started in water and I think the QURAN states that too. "Dirty water" if I recall correctly.

YAM

Shams
By the way please do not use the visual mode. Maybe it should be called visually challenging mode.
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YAM
I want to write this miracle of Hazir Imam in year 1991 at Karachi deedar
When Hazar Imam left Garden Jamat Khana on On November 6th at 7:00 pm, a

large crowd had gathered near the road. Amongst the throng of Muslims

stood

two Hindu ladies who were waiting for the Imam. Because of the heavy

rush,



the Aga Khan Volunteers were forced to cordon off the crowd with a rope.

As

the car approached the women, Imam moved from one side of the seat to the



other, opened the window and revealed His Holy Face. Just then, the rope

broke exactly where these women were standing. They stepped forward

towards

the car and received the Imam's Holy Didar. Imam then closed the window.

The



Ismaili Volunteers were astonished at this incident. When the Imam

departed,



they approached the women and asked about it. The women said, "We are not

Muslims, but Hindus. Our lord Krishna told us in a dream last night thst

He

would make His appearance on a road neat the Jamat Khana of the Khoja

Ismailis in the midst of a large crowd. Indeed, today we have seen our

Lord!"
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Re shamshu

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YAM Shamshu
Thank you for your reply.
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Das Avtar

Post by shamsu »

Ya Aly Madad,

Ref: Abualy Waez

In the 6th vol of Rise and fall of the Roman Empire, p.254 (7 vols) it states that Imam Hakim in Egypt, 2 generations prior to Pir Sat Gur Noor going to Indian subcontinent, stated that he was the highest manifest form of God on earth. He also stated that he had come 9 times prior to this tenth manifestation.


Ref: Missionary Mohammedaly Bhimani,

Imam SMS 48th Imam had signed a photograph with a statement written under his photograph stating that he is the tenth Avatar and given to Missionaries.
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