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hungama25
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Prophet Adam was NOT the first human being:
Most Muslims believe that Prophet Adam of the Biblical and Quranic narratives and his wife Eve were the first two people on earth. This results from a mere literal inpretation of the Scriptures and that which does not correspond with scientific or rational thought. The Ismaili interpretation of Prophet Adam and the events of his period transcend the literalism professed by mainstream Muslims. Far from being the first man on earth, Prophet Adam was one of the men belonging to the Cycle before ours – in Hinduism this is the Duapourjug. Prophet Adam is called the ‘historical’ or ‘biblical’ Adam. He, like any other human being, was born of two parents. His mother was Harsa Devi and his father was Imam Honayd – who correspondes to the figure of the Budh Avatar mentioned in the Ginan of Pir Sadardin.
Quran 2:30 – Behold thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent – khalifa on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."
Quran 2:31 - And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right."
Quran 2:32 - They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."
Quran 2:33 - He said: "O Adam! Tell them their names." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?" |
brother meherali i guess you and all other ismailis believe that imam hunayd is the writer of quran or h.adam[as] had parents , but as i said its contradicting quran
imam hunayd = buddh avatar= father of adam[as](nouzbillah) went to pandawas palace [bheem and his brothers] as per our ginans
now tell me this brother meherali, what era were the pandawas living ?? what bc was that ???
do you know how old the vedas are brother meherali ??? if iam not mistaken the veda were written around 1500 B.C.E
before hindusim it was Zoroastrianisom so if adam was born to hunaid then we ismailis go against gods theory of mankind because according to the book of islam it is allah who created adam and not any human or animal :
7:11 It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblees; He refused to be of those who bow down.
and can you please tell me how many years did hunaid lived because as per ismaili theory it was hunaid and not allah who gave quran so if imam hunaid lived in hindu era then did he live for some 5000 + years ??? because after hinduism it was jews,christians and then islam |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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brother meherali i guess you and all other ismailis believe that imam hunayd is the writer of quran or h.adam[as] had parents , but as i said its contradicting quran |
I hope you do not believe that Hazarat Adam was the first man. That would imply that man has only existed for 4000-6000 years! This contradicts all scientific evidence. Quran is open to many interpretations. The story of Adam can be interpreted in many ways according to one's faith and knowledge. The interpretation given here is based on the Ginans and the classical Persian Ismaili thinkers including Tusi. Imamat has been since creation. There were Imams before Hazarat Adam. Hazarat Adam was the son of Imam Hunayd. There is a thread which discusses Quran and the Imam at:
Doctrines --> Is Quran complete?
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=372&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
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imam hunayd = buddh avatar= father of adam[as](nouzbillah) went to pandawas palace [bheem and his brothers] as per our ginans
now tell me this brother meherali, what era were the pandawas living ?? what bc was that ???
do you know how old the vedas are brother meherali ??? if iam not mistaken the veda were written around 1500 B.C.E
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Pandavs lived in the Duapur Yuga. It could have been anywhere around 3100BC - 700BC. Imam Hunayd initiated the Kaljug and the present cycle of prophethood. For more information on the time frames refer to the thread:
Pre-Adam --> time period of jugs and avatar
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=4616
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before hindusim it was Zoroastrianisom so if adam was born to hunaid then we ismailis go against gods theory of mankind because according to the book of islam it is allah who created adam and not any human or animal :
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As I said before you are mixing up the Hazarat Adam with Adam who was symbolic of the first man. Please read the articles.
You always have to keep in mind that in our tariqah there are zaheri matters which we share with others and there are batini matters which pertain only to our tariqah. From the zaheri perspective the Quran was revealed by God and from the batini perspective the Imams are the Speaking Quran. |
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hungama25
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| As I said before you are mixing up the Hazarat Adam with Adam who was symbolic of the first man. Please read the articles. |
brother meherali without wasting you time and energy further , i just want you to put this in a veryyyy simple way :
1] who is adam and
2] who is hazrat adam[as] ??
i want either your's or brother shamsB 's interpretation please and not any link
thank you
salam
ya ali madad |
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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At this point, I want to ask all of you not to reply to Hungama for simple basic reason that he is not interested in any reading on the subject nor questioning for the sake of learning.
When he writes "we ismailis go against gods theory of mankind" first of all he is insulting Ismailis' intellect, then he purports to represent "we Ismailis" and portrays us as enemy of the Quran. For what purpose?
This beside the fact that he poses as an Ismaili but his identity is evident from his posting.
Up to now the only repetitions I have seen in his posting all over the place is to say that Ismailis contradict the Quran, Ismalii Pirs contradict the Quran, ismaili Imams contradict the Quran etc...
There is nothing in his approach which is intellectual or a search.
The only thing that is consistent is a propaganda across the board for which there is no place here.
I have already issued several warning on how to post and what to post and can not keep repeating the same every other day for the sake of one person.
So do not be surprised to see this account deleted soon and the guy coming back under another ID with the same postings as in the past.
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shiraz.virani
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| do we have any ginan showing there were adam's[plural] or he was a son of imam hunayd ? |
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illuzone
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:16 am Post subject: 50,000 Adams |
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Shamsh:
Sometimes you cant take just anyone to the level required to understand such concepts and therefore is hard to post such items on forums. If the person would reflect rather than argue about serial numbers of Firmans, he would soon discover that Ismaili concepts run very much in concert with recently proven and established scientific concepts e.g. Human existence as proven by scientific discoveries goes back millions of years.
Human history, in the literature commonly available to most people (unless they seek deeper meanings and concepts) only trace human existence for maybe the last five thousand years. How do u then relate our religion concepts to scientific concepts to prove agreement with each other? The concept of 50,000 Adams goes a long way in proving the reality of human existence for a lot more than the 5000 years that most people are aware of. This concept, without going too deep into it, also explains quite satisfactorily the discoveries that propound the existence of previously existing human settlements, architecture, advanced modes of transport and tools and of course advanced people and cultures maybe even Atlantis.
Cyclical concepts put forward by Ismaili (a good book to read would Cyclical Times in Ismaili Gnosis by Henry Corbin) philosophers expound quite in detail on the existence of numerous Adams - one at the beginning of each cyclical cycle which begins with the creation of an Adam and ends with the coming of the Mahdi (or Imam) that heralds in the end of the particular cycle (or Qiyamat as one might dub this end of the cycle).
It is no wionder that we find numerous confirmations of this well established Ismaili concept in our firmans of our various Imam and also in the gianas of our enlightened Pirs.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: The fall of Adam |
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A little bit of info on what i was able to pick up from the book "Cyclical Times in Ismaili Gnosis" is about the myth of the "fall of adam" which speaks on how a particular event which has caused a catastrophe in heaven leads us backwards in time. Time which was delayed by this event and which we are conquering. The time that has passed because of this event is the time we have to reconquer. Once this time has been conquered the world will be closed up by the madhi. The book Cyclical Times in Ismaili Gnosis talks of the 10 intelligences and how adam falls back to the 10th intelligence from the 3rd he was currently on. The time that has to be conquered are the 7 intelligences in between the 3rd and the 10th.
This is what i was able to pick up on this particular event "the fall of adam". If anyone has more information on this it would mean alot if you could take the time out to post more. Thanks. |
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RahmatHajikuttch
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: |
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there are more the 50000 Adams are passed before Adam who mention in Bible, torah & Quran. I have a link of a blog on which there are some 50 names are mentioned as a Imams before Adam (Imam Hunaid A.S). hub-e-ali.blogspot visit there i think this may help you.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| this does help, thank you. |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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“Do you think that this is the only world that God created? That He did not create other races of humanity than you? Certainly not, for He has created thousands upon thousands of worlds with thousands upon thousands of Adams, and you dwell upon only the last of these worlds, in the midst of the last of these Adamic humanities.”
- Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, quoted in (Mohammad Ali Amir al-Moezzi, The Divine Guide in Early Shiism, pp. 168) |
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hadih
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: Re: 50,000 ADAMS |
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| <P>I want to read Noorun Mubin. Is there any way that I can get copy in PDF format or scaned copy.<BR><BR>I will highly appreciate your help.<BR><BR>Thanks<BR>Hussain</P> |
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kmaherali
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The Spirit of al-Faqr: Translation of Ain al-Faqr
Hadrat Sultan Bahu
Price: $21.00
Product Description
This is an English translation of Ain al-Faqr, one of the prominent works of the famous Punjabi poet and Sufi Shaykh Sultan Bahu. This book reveals the details of the hidden spiritual world, it also sheds light on the symptoms and divine signs of a true spiritual master. The spiritual relevance of Faqr is explained in detail. Much relevant information on the Qadri sufi order has been given in this book. It also asserts that many Adams have appeared on earth before the Adam that we know.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1449920039/ref=pe_5050_13856410_snp_dp |
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