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shivaathervedi



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are these 14 advice of Mowla Ali mentioned in the book Kalam e Mowla published by ITREB?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shivaathervedi wrote:
Are these 14 advice of Mowla Ali mentioned in the book Kalam e Mowla published by ITREB?
Not all sayings of Mowla Ali are contained in the publication you have alluded to.

Some more...

Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)!

How near is the living to the dead who will meet him soon;

How far is the dead from the living who has gone away from him;

Certainly nothing is viler than evil except its punishment;

Nothing is better than good except its reward;

In this world everything that is heard is better than what is seen;

While everything of the next world that is seen is better than what is heard!

Have a nice day...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:
Are these 14 advice of Mowla Ali mentioned in the book Kalam e Mowla published by ITREB?
Not all sayings of Mowla Ali are contained in the publication you have alluded to.

Some more...

Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)!

How near is the living to the dead who will meet him soon;

How far is the dead from the living who has gone away from him;

Certainly nothing is viler than evil except its punishment;

Nothing is better than good except its reward;

In this world everything that is heard is better than what is seen;

While everything of the next world that is seen is better than what is heard!

Have a nice day...



Your these and previous quotations are from Nahjul Balagah.
You quoted Mowla Ali said;

"Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)"

Mowal Ali said," GLORY TO ALLAH (SWT)", then how come Satpunthi Ismailis say 'Imam is God'? Where as Ali is praising Allah!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shivaathervedi wrote:
Your these and previous quotations are from Nahjul Balagah.
You quoted Mowla Ali said;

"Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)"

Mowal Ali said," GLORY TO ALLAH (SWT)", then how come Satpunthi Ismailis say 'Imam is God'? Where as Ali is praising Allah!!
Hazarat Ali was a Caliph and as such his audience was the general Muslim Umma. Hence he cannot project an esoteric concept in front of an exoteric audience. The Imam always speaks according to the level of the audience.

Remember also that Hazarat Ali was the 4th choice. Hence the general Muslim population did not have the understanding of the esoteric nature of Imamat.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:
Your these and previous quotations are from Nahjul Balagah.
You quoted Mowla Ali said;

"Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)"

Mowal Ali said," GLORY TO ALLAH (SWT)", then how come Satpunthi Ismailis say 'Imam is God'? Where as Ali is praising Allah!!
Hazarat Ali was a Caliph and as such his audience was the general Muslim Umma. Hence he cannot project an esoteric concept in front of an exoteric audience. The Imam always speaks according to the level of the audience.

Remember also that Hazarat Ali was the 4th choice. Hence the general Muslim population did not have the understanding of the esoteric nature of Imamat.



Let us assume your assertion," The Imam always speaks according to level of the audience". The Satpunthi jamaits are considered esoteric jamaits believing in esoteric concepts, but still addressing the jamaits of subcontinent Imam keep saying INSH'ALLAH/HAMDULILLAH/BLESSING OF ALLAH AND IN A FARMAN OF CHAAN RAAT MSMS SAID,' KHUDA TAMARA GUNNAH BUKHSH KAREY'. An important question is," Why Imam has to hide his position?" Huqq is Huqq, Satiya is Satya. Huqq is with Ali and Ali is with Huqq, what Ali declared is Huqq that is GLORY TO ALLAH.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shivaathervedi wrote:

Let us assume your assertion," The Imam always speaks according to level of the audience". The Satpunthi jamaits are considered esoteric jamaits believing in esoteric concepts, but still addressing the jamaits of subcontinent Imam keep saying INSH'ALLAH/HAMDULILLAH/BLESSING OF ALLAH AND IN A FARMAN OF CHAAN RAAT MSMS SAID,' KHUDA TAMARA GUNNAH BUKHSH KAREY'. An important question is," Why Imam has to hide his position?" Huqq is Huqq, Satiya is Satya. Huqq is with Ali and Ali is with Huqq, what Ali declared is Huqq that is GLORY TO ALLAH.
It is not a matter of hiding. It is a matter of not creating confusion in society. What happened to Mansur when he told the truth about his status? You don't talk of Calculas when students don't know to add, subtract and mulitply.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a thread on Ali Allah, please do not discuss this subject here. This is specifically for Kalame Mowla.

Naj ul Bhalaga is on http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1283&highlight=naj+ul+bhalaga

Ali Allah discussion is at: http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=7379&start=60
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:

Let us assume your assertion," The Imam always speaks according to level of the audience". The Satpunthi jamaits are considered esoteric jamaits believing in esoteric concepts, but still addressing the jamaits of subcontinent Imam keep saying INSH'ALLAH/HAMDULILLAH/BLESSING OF ALLAH AND IN A FARMAN OF CHAAN RAAT MSMS SAID,' KHUDA TAMARA GUNNAH BUKHSH KAREY'. An important question is," Why Imam has to hide his position?" Huqq is Huqq, Satiya is Satya. Huqq is with Ali and Ali is with Huqq, what Ali declared is Huqq that is GLORY TO ALLAH.
It is not a matter of hiding. It is a matter of not creating confusion in society. What happened to Mansur when he told the truth about his status? You don't talk of Calculas when students don't know to add, subtract and mulitply.



Imam is here to guide clearly and not to create any confusion, otherwise followers will be double minded or more confused. Message should be clear and understandable. Is there any comparison between Imam of the time and Mansoor Hallaj? Was Mansoor more brave than Imam that he declared openly 'I am Huqq'?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This discussion on Mansur al Hallaj should continue on

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8344&start=90
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shivaathervedi wrote:

Imam is here to guide clearly and not to create any confusion, otherwise followers will be double minded or more confused. Message should be clear and understandable. Is there any comparison between Imam of the time and Mansoor Hallaj? Was Mansoor more brave than Imam that he declared openly 'I am Huqq'?
In an esoteric tradition there are always layers of understanding. It is never one understanding for everyone. Each murid has his own relationship with the Imam. That is why we have majalis to cater for the needs of different murids.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick to Kalame Mowla here.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JollyGul.com Presents: Kalame Mawla with Synchronized Lyrics & Translations

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin

The verse below is missing in the Kalame Mowla link:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23023

jeebh methee hay pu(n)jee teree, howe sahee sab bazaar
ke methee jeebhse adkaa howe, bepaareekaa bepaar
duniyaa bazaar me meethaa bolo,to sab deel tere haath aave
to sab deel meene vase saheb rajaa, usku(n0 tu(n) sahee paawe............74

Polite speech is your capital. It is considered as genuine in the market place. Through polite speech your worth increases. Such is the trade of a trader. In the market place of the world speak politely, then you will have control over all hearts. Since in every heart the Kingly God resides, you will indeed attain Him.

Please can you add it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hazrat Ali: Virtues of knowledge

A large number of prophetic traditions were in circulation by the second century of Islam. However, many of them were thought to be falsely attributed to the Prophet, prompting an investigation of which ones were genuine. Investigators consulted hadith specialists (muhaddithun) to trace the hadiths back to the Prophet through a chain of people who had transmitted them. If there were several trustworthy chains for a hadith, it was preserved in the collections. “For the Shi’a, while they too revered the example of the Prophet, they recognised the Imams who provided a continuing source of authority and guidance. Hence, their hadith include the sayings and deeds of their Imams” (Muslim Devotional and Ethical Literature p 20)

Among the notable Shi’i scholars is the work of al-Kulayni (d. 941). Born in Rayy in Persia, he is often referred to by the title al-Razi, commonly attributed to Persian scholars born in Rayy. His work Kitab al-Kafi, the first in a series of thirty-five, is an important compilation of the Prophet’s hadith. Noted for his reliability and trustworthiness, his works have had a profound influence on Islamic scholarship.

In his Kitab al-Kafi, Vol. 1, al-Kulayni notes that Hazrat Ali said:

‘O seeker of knowledge! There are numerous virtues of knowledge. [Should knowledge be incorporated in human form then] humility would be its head; absence of jealousy would be its eye; understanding would be its ear; truth its tongue, search and preservation of truth its memory; purity of motives its heart; recognition and knowledge of [human] affairs and [attributes of] things its reasoning; its hand mercy; its leg, visit to the scholars; its ambition peacefulness; its wisdom guarding against evil; its headquarters salvation; its leader health and vigour; its ride fidelity; its armament sweet words; its sword acceptance [of the truth]; its bow sympathy and hospitality; its army, discourses with the scholars; its wealth manners and good bearing. Guarding against evil would be its treasure; its kit and tiffin good deeds; getting on well [with others] its drink; its guide divine guidance; its mate love of the virtuous.’

Cited in “Hadith Literature,” Muslim Devotional and Ethical Literature, Secondary Curriculum, The Institute of Ismaili Studies, p 23
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