Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: let make it clear.
agakhani wrote:
It seems to me, this topic getting in confusion aproach . below are some clerification from me:-
1, Pir and Imam are two different authorities.
2, Both should be from AHLE-BAIT family.
3, Both should be present on earth all the time.
4, Pirs always appointed by Imam of the time.
5, There were some pirs in past who were not granted "PIRATAN" from
Imam of their time but their Ginans are still spoken in Jamat Khanas.
These type pirs usally call SYED.
6, During the time of Imam Mustansiribillah and after Pir Tajdin a book
name "PANDIYATE JAWAMARDI" written by Imam Mustansiribillah was
Ismaili pir.
7, PIR is persian word and it means, old respectable/reputable person.
8. There is no 'Pir' word in Arabic language, because there is no " P" letter
in Arabic alphabet. You can use Al-Mustwad instead of Pir.
9, In Khoja tradition they believe that pir is apeareance from Lord
Brahma, and Imam's apeareace is from Lord Vishnu. There are too
many Ginans on this topic in Gujarati, Khojki and other Indo languages
for above reference.
10,Pir Sabzali and Mukhi Ismail Gangji received pir title after their death.
but they both were not form AHLE-Bait family, they received Pir title
because of their excellent Khidmat of Jamat and Imam.
11, There are big differences between QASIDA and GINANS.Ginans cover
almost all the fields and are loded with RUHANIAYAT, Qasida is Praise
of Allah.
12, There is a book in gujarati language which is now available ''PIR
PADHARYA AAPNE DWAR" written by wellknown missionary ALIBHAI
NANJI. In this book you can find history of our 50 pirs, list of the
ginans written by each pirs, their year of birth death. MOZIZA e.t.c. I
would recommend every one who know Gujarati, must have this book
in their library.
I think some of the points in the above post are not accurate.
It is indeed, Pir and Imam are 2 different concepts and the fundamental and central principle in Ismaili Tariqah is the continuous presence of the Imam of the time.
In Arabic the word Pir is not used, however, the reason is not because of the non-existence of the letter "P"! Actually in Arabic the letter "B" is used for both "B" and "P" so the non-existence of "P" is not a problem. The actual reason is because there were no people called Pirs in Arabic Ismaili tradition however there were Dais, Hujjas, Imam Mustawdah, etc.
Imam Mustawdah means a person who is not Imam of the time but a person who may be known to some people as the Imam so that to protect the real Imam at times when the security of the Imam was not guaranteed.
There were some Dais who played significant roles in Ismaili history and they are called in Arabic with titles such as Dais or Hujjas. For example, Qadi Numan, Kermani, Sijistani, Ibn Hawshab, Abu Abdullah Al-Shi'i, Hassan Sabbah, Rashid din Sinan, Nassir Khusro, Al-Haj Khudr, etc. They have done distinguished work in our history but they have not been known as Pirs in Arabic heritage.
Most of those Dais played roles similar to the Pirs of the Indian subcontinent. For example Ibn Hawshab converted large population in Yemen to the Ismaili faith, Abu Abdullah al-Shi'i did similar in North Africa, and Nassir Khusro in Central Asia, etc. Also most of them left works in Ismaili faith either in the form of Qasida or text books or both.
I notice from the list of 50 Pirs mentioned in a previous post that there were only 6 Pirs before Pir Satgur Noor which would means that a Pir was not present at all times, contrary to the Imam of the time who is ever present.
Also it is important to mention that the difference between Ginan and Qasida is not as you mentioned for Qasidas cover many topics and not only praise of Allah. The Qasidas focus on the love and praise of the Imam of the time as well as spirituality and some Arabic and Farsi Qasidas have been written by Imams or Imam's brother, etc. To my best knowledge Hazar Imam has not distinguished between Qasidas and Ginans.
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: let make it clear.
No_problem wrote:
agakhani wrote:
It seems to me, this topic getting in confusion aproach . below are some clerification from me:-
1, Pir and Imam are two different authorities.
2, Both should be from AHLE-BAIT family.
3, Both should be present on earth all the time.
4, Pirs always appointed by Imam of the time.
5, There were some pirs in past who were not granted "PIRATAN" from
Imam of their time but their Ginans are still spoken in Jamat Khanas.
These type pirs usally call SYED.
6, During the time of Imam Mustansiribillah and after Pir Tajdin a book
name "PANDIYATE JAWAMARDI" written by Imam Mustansiribillah was
Ismaili pir.
7, PIR is persian word and it means, old respectable/reputable person.
8. There is no 'Pir' word in Arabic language, because there is no " P" letter
in Arabic alphabet. You can use Al-Mustwad instead of Pir.
9, In Khoja tradition they believe that pir is apeareance from Lord
Brahma, and Imam's apeareace is from Lord Vishnu. There are too
many Ginans on this topic in Gujarati, Khojki and other Indo languages
for above reference.
10,Pir Sabzali and Mukhi Ismail Gangji received pir title after their death.
but they both were not form AHLE-Bait family, they received Pir title
because of their excellent Khidmat of Jamat and Imam.
11, There are big differences between QASIDA and GINANS.Ginans cover
almost all the fields and are loded with RUHANIAYAT, Qasida is Praise
of Allah.
12, There is a book in gujarati language which is now available ''PIR
PADHARYA AAPNE DWAR" written by wellknown missionary ALIBHAI
NANJI. In this book you can find history of our 50 pirs, list of the
ginans written by each pirs, their year of birth death. MOZIZA e.t.c. I
would recommend every one who know Gujarati, must have this book
in their library.
I think some of the points in the above post are not accurate.
It is indeed, Pir and Imam are 2 different concepts and the fundamental and central principle in Ismaili Tariqah is the continuous presence of the Imam of the time.
In Arabic the word Pir is not used, however, the reason is not because of the non-existence of the letter "P"! Actually in Arabic the letter "B" is used for both "B" and "P" so the non-existence of "P" is not a problem. The actual reason is because there were no people called Pirs in Arabic Ismaili tradition however there were Dais, Hujjas, Imam Mustawdah, etc.
Imam Mustawdah means a person who is not Imam of the time but a person who may be known to some people as the Imam so that to protect the real Imam at times when the security of the Imam was not guaranteed.
There were some Dais who played significant roles in Ismaili history and they are called in Arabic with titles such as Dais or Hujjas. For example, Qadi Numan, Kermani, Sijistani, Ibn Hawshab, Abu Abdullah Al-Shi'i, Hassan Sabbah, Rashid din Sinan, Nassir Khusro, Al-Haj Khudr, etc. They have done distinguished work in our history but they have not been known as Pirs in Arabic heritage.
Most of those Dais played roles similar to the Pirs of the Indian subcontinent. For example Ibn Hawshab converted large population in Yemen to the Ismaili faith, Abu Abdullah al-Shi'i did similar in North Africa, and Nassir Khusro in Central Asia, etc. Also most of them left works in Ismaili faith either in the form of Qasida or text books or both.
I notice from the list of 50 Pirs mentioned in a previous post that there were only 6 Pirs before Pir Satgur Noor which would means that a Pir was not present at all times, contrary to the Imam of the time who is ever present.
Also it is important to mention that the difference between Ginan and Qasida is not as you mentioned for Qasidas cover many topics and not only praise of Allah. The Qasidas focus on the love and praise of the Imam of the time as well as spirituality and some Arabic and Farsi Qasidas have been written by Imams or Imam's brother, etc. To my best knowledge Hazar Imam has not distinguished between Qasidas and Ginans.
Thank you.
Actually there is a list of 50 pirs - it has been posted on this topic - if you'd go back and read - you'd discover the names of all 50 pirs.
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: let make it clear.
No_problem wrote:
I notice from the list of 50 Pirs mentioned in a previous post that there were only 6 Pirs before Pir Satgur Noor which would means that a Pir was not present at all times, contrary to the Imam of the time who is ever present.
The Light of Piratan is always present. Sometimes it is combined in the Imam and at other times it expresses itself in a separate person. Pir Hasan Kabideen who is the bearer of the Light mentions about his existence in other Yugas in the verses of the Anant Akhado below.
Aashaajee Jug kartaa maanhe ek kalaa rachaayaa
tees maanhe ham-kun jaanno jee
beejaa jug maanhe Veejeshthann kaheeyen
sobee ham avtaar........................Haree anant..374
Oh Lord During the era of Kerta the Lord created a manifestation
I(Pir Hassan Kabirdin) was that manifestation (as Gur
Brahma)
In the Treta Jug the manifestation was called
Veejeshthann
even that was my manifestation
Haree You are eternal...
Oh Lord In the Dwaapur Jug the name of the manifestation of Gur
Brahma was Veedur-vyaas
Even He was our form
In the Kal-jug we are the manifestation of Gur Brahma
and it is the same light of the Messenger(Prophet
Muhammed)
Haree You are eternal...
Veedur Vyaas composed the Gita.
In a verse of the Ginan Sab Gat Sami Maro Bharpur Betthaa Pir Sadardeen says:
ejee pahele dha(n)dhukaar maa(n)he nabee muhammed mustaphaa sohee guru ja(m)pudeep maa(n)he aayaa ek jeeyo..............20
O momins: In the beginning and in the void, Prophet Muhammed the Chosen was there. It is indeed the same Guide (Peer) who has come to the Indian Subcontinent.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:17 am Post subject: Re: let make it clear.
ShamsB wrote:
No_problem wrote:
agakhani wrote:
It seems to me, this topic getting in confusion aproach . below are some clerification from me:-
1, Pir and Imam are two different authorities.
2, Both should be from AHLE-BAIT family.
3, Both should be present on earth all the time.
4, Pirs always appointed by Imam of the time.
5, There were some pirs in past who were not granted "PIRATAN" from
Imam of their time but their Ginans are still spoken in Jamat Khanas.
These type pirs usally call SYED.
6, During the time of Imam Mustansiribillah and after Pir Tajdin a book
name "PANDIYATE JAWAMARDI" written by Imam Mustansiribillah was
Ismaili pir.
7, PIR is persian word and it means, old respectable/reputable person.
8. There is no 'Pir' word in Arabic language, because there is no " P" letter
in Arabic alphabet. You can use Al-Mustwad instead of Pir.
9, In Khoja tradition they believe that pir is apeareance from Lord
Brahma, and Imam's apeareace is from Lord Vishnu. There are too
many Ginans on this topic in Gujarati, Khojki and other Indo languages
for above reference.
10,Pir Sabzali and Mukhi Ismail Gangji received pir title after their death.
but they both were not form AHLE-Bait family, they received Pir title
because of their excellent Khidmat of Jamat and Imam.
11, There are big differences between QASIDA and GINANS.Ginans cover
almost all the fields and are loded with RUHANIAYAT, Qasida is Praise
of Allah.
12, There is a book in gujarati language which is now available ''PIR
PADHARYA AAPNE DWAR" written by wellknown missionary ALIBHAI
NANJI. In this book you can find history of our 50 pirs, list of the
ginans written by each pirs, their year of birth death. MOZIZA e.t.c. I
would recommend every one who know Gujarati, must have this book
in their library.
I think some of the points in the above post are not accurate.
It is indeed, Pir and Imam are 2 different concepts and the fundamental and central principle in Ismaili Tariqah is the continuous presence of the Imam of the time.
In Arabic the word Pir is not used, however, the reason is not because of the non-existence of the letter "P"! Actually in Arabic the letter "B" is used for both "B" and "P" so the non-existence of "P" is not a problem. The actual reason is because there were no people called Pirs in Arabic Ismaili tradition however there were Dais, Hujjas, Imam Mustawdah, etc.
Imam Mustawdah means a person who is not Imam of the time but a person who may be known to some people as the Imam so that to protect the real Imam at times when the security of the Imam was not guaranteed.
There were some Dais who played significant roles in Ismaili history and they are called in Arabic with titles such as Dais or Hujjas. For example, Qadi Numan, Kermani, Sijistani, Ibn Hawshab, Abu Abdullah Al-Shi'i, Hassan Sabbah, Rashid din Sinan, Nassir Khusro, Al-Haj Khudr, etc. They have done distinguished work in our history but they have not been known as Pirs in Arabic heritage.
Most of those Dais played roles similar to the Pirs of the Indian subcontinent. For example Ibn Hawshab converted large population in Yemen to the Ismaili faith, Abu Abdullah al-Shi'i did similar in North Africa, and Nassir Khusro in Central Asia, etc. Also most of them left works in Ismaili faith either in the form of Qasida or text books or both.
I notice from the list of 50 Pirs mentioned in a previous post that there were only 6 Pirs before Pir Satgur Noor which would means that a Pir was not present at all times, contrary to the Imam of the time who is ever present.
Also it is important to mention that the difference between Ginan and Qasida is not as you mentioned for Qasidas cover many topics and not only praise of Allah. The Qasidas focus on the love and praise of the Imam of the time as well as spirituality and some Arabic and Farsi Qasidas have been written by Imams or Imam's brother, etc. To my best knowledge Hazar Imam has not distinguished between Qasidas and Ginans.
Thank you.
Actually there is a list of 50 pirs - it has been posted on this topic - if you'd go back and read - you'd discover the names of all 50 pirs.
Shams
NO_PROBLEM,
YOUR CORRECTIONS ARE WELL NOTED FROM MY SIDE.
The above clerification was taken from many books and waez it may be not accurate as you mention.
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: Re: let make it clear.
ShamsB wrote:
Actually there is a list of 50 pirs - it has been posted on this topic - if you'd go back and read - you'd discover the names of all 50 pirs.
Shams
Yes this is the list I mentioned. The confusion comes from the fact that the list doesn't seem logical. For example, there is a period of some 700-800 years between the first and 6th Pirs (in the same period there were about 26 Imams) and also the list shows that 44 Pirs lived in the last 600-700 years (23 Imams lived in this period). So this list doesn't seem accurate.
kmaherali wrote:
The Light of Piratan is always present. Sometimes it is combined in the Imam and at other times it expresses itself in a separate person. Pir Hasan Kabideen who is the bearer of the Light mentions about his existence in other Yugas in the verses of the Anant Akhado below.
Aashaajee Jug kartaa maanhe ek kalaa rachaayaa
tees maanhe ham-kun jaanno jee
beejaa jug maanhe Veejeshthann kaheeyen
sobee ham avtaar........................Haree anant..374
Oh Lord During the era of Kerta the Lord created a manifestation
I(Pir Hassan Kabirdin) was that manifestation (as Gur
Brahma)
In the Treta Jug the manifestation was called
Veejeshthann
even that was my manifestation
Haree You are eternal...
Oh Lord In the Dwaapur Jug the name of the manifestation of Gur
Brahma was Veedur-vyaas
Even He was our form
In the Kal-jug we are the manifestation of Gur Brahma
and it is the same light of the Messenger(Prophet
Muhammed)
Haree You are eternal...
Veedur Vyaas composed the Gita.
In a verse of the Ginan Sab Gat Sami Maro Bharpur Betthaa Pir Sadardeen says:
ejee pahele dha(n)dhukaar maa(n)he nabee muhammed mustaphaa sohee guru ja(m)pudeep maa(n)he aayaa ek jeeyo..............20
O momins: In the beginning and in the void, Prophet Muhammed the Chosen was there. It is indeed the same Guide (Peer) who has come to the Indian Subcontinent.
I guess Pir Hasan Kabideen meant existence of the position of Pir rather than himself (like we say all Imams are same Noor).
The translation of the first Ginan doesn't seem to be accurate. For example Gur Brahma is not mentioned in the Ginan.
The translation of the Ginan of Pir Sadardin, doesn't seem to be accurate as the Indian Subcontinent is not mentioned and he sound to have meant the Prophet rather than the Pir. Please forgive my poor Gujarati if my comments are wrong.
I’m not trying to argue but trying to understand the concept. I’ve the utmost respect and love for the Pirs and in particular I’m fascinated by story and Ginans of Pir Sadardin who is such a great personality in our history.
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: let make it clear.
No_problem wrote:
ShamsB wrote:
Actually there is a list of 50 pirs - it has been posted on this topic - if you'd go back and read - you'd discover the names of all 50 pirs.
Shams
Yes this is the list I mentioned. The confusion comes from the fact that the list doesn't seem logical. For example, there is a period of some 700-800 years between the first and 6th Pirs (in the same period there were about 26 Imams) and also the list shows that 44 Pirs lived in the last 600-700 years (23 Imams lived in this period). So this list doesn't seem accurate.
kmaherali wrote:
The Light of Piratan is always present. Sometimes it is combined in the Imam and at other times it expresses itself in a separate person. Pir Hasan Kabideen who is the bearer of the Light mentions about his existence in other Yugas in the verses of the Anant Akhado below.
Aashaajee Jug kartaa maanhe ek kalaa rachaayaa
tees maanhe ham-kun jaanno jee
beejaa jug maanhe Veejeshthann kaheeyen
sobee ham avtaar........................Haree anant..374
Oh Lord During the era of Kerta the Lord created a manifestation
I(Pir Hassan Kabirdin) was that manifestation (as Gur
Brahma)
In the Treta Jug the manifestation was called
Veejeshthann
even that was my manifestation
Haree You are eternal...
Oh Lord In the Dwaapur Jug the name of the manifestation of Gur
Brahma was Veedur-vyaas
Even He was our form
In the Kal-jug we are the manifestation of Gur Brahma
and it is the same light of the Messenger(Prophet
Muhammed)
Haree You are eternal...
Veedur Vyaas composed the Gita.
In a verse of the Ginan Sab Gat Sami Maro Bharpur Betthaa Pir Sadardeen says:
ejee pahele dha(n)dhukaar maa(n)he nabee muhammed mustaphaa sohee guru ja(m)pudeep maa(n)he aayaa ek jeeyo..............20
O momins: In the beginning and in the void, Prophet Muhammed the Chosen was there. It is indeed the same Guide (Peer) who has come to the Indian Subcontinent.
I guess Pir Hasan Kabideen meant existence of the position of Pir rather than himself (like we say all Imams are same Noor).
The translation of the first Ginan doesn't seem to be accurate. For example Gur Brahma is not mentioned in the Ginan.
The translation of the Ginan of Pir Sadardin, doesn't seem to be accurate as the Indian Subcontinent is not mentioned and he sound to have meant the Prophet rather than the Pir. Please forgive my poor Gujarati if my comments are wrong.
I’m not trying to argue but trying to understand the concept. I’ve the utmost respect and love for the Pirs and in particular I’m fascinated by story and Ginans of Pir Sadardin who is such a great personality in our history.
Thank you.
So in those periods - the Imams played the role of the Shah and Pir - you might want to read Ismaili History by AbuAli or get your hands on a copy of the old dua -that has a comprehensive list of the pirs.
The original words in the ginans did have Guru Brahma - i'd recommend rereading all the posts on this topic and you'll get answers to your questions.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:16 am Post subject:
Quote:
What is the year of publication of book ''PIR
PADHARYA AAPNE DWAR" ? Is there detailed history of all Pirs in this book?
Yes, it contain detail history of our 50 pirs including current pir Shah Karim and also INDRA IMAMDIN ( as you mention in one of your recent post) not only this but it has also the history other Syeds and Sadats who were not our appointed pirs but who has composed ginans like Syed ImamShah,Syed Noor Mohd Shah, Syed Gulmali Shah, Imam Begum and many more and that is why this book is so important.
I have latest version called 'Golden Jubilee edition' of PIR PADHARYA AAPNE DWAR 1-2 it was published in year 2007 but original and first publication year of this book was 1986.
FYI:- This book ( may be older version) also available in Garden Jamat Khana library borrow from there if you do not want to purchase it because it is a old book and I think it may be not available in Pakistan. Here in USA it is still available, please let me know if you interested to purchase
( I am not a book seller) it is a great book it has already many editions and every family should have it.
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In 1891 Farman of Zanjbar Imam said not to recite about hinduism in Ginans, it was for that time when you were hindus Now leave 9 Avtars and talk about Ali...
I wish to read/know proper extract of Imam SMS above farman,only then I may form my opinion on this subject.Please anyone can give few line extract of this Farman?
The Farman said leave the 9 Avtars and concentrate on the 10th Avatar.
Basically the Farman says the same things that Pirs said in all their Ginans and Grants.
This is why Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah said that Farmans and Ginans are the same and also that if we had studied properly the Ginans he would not have needed to make these Farmans.
In 1891 Farman of Zanjbar Imam said not to recite about hinduism in Ginans, it was for that time when you were hindus Now leave 9 Avtars and talk about Ali...
I wish to read/know proper extract of Imam SMS above farman,only then I may form my opinion on this subject.Please anyone can give few line extract of this Farman?
"It is not appropriate that you should discuss matters pertaining to Hinduism as an aspect of knowledge. When you were Hindus, Pir Sadardin showed you the way. That time has now gone.
Now you should praise Mowla and his progeny. Read about the praises of HazarImam. Now abandon 9 manifestations ( nav avtar). Read about the praises of the 10th manifestation which is comprised of our forefathers. Read the Ginans wherein the 10th manifestation is explained."
To Admin:
Devotional literature is not same as Imam's Farman.
In regards to Hazar Imam's guidance of 1961 n later on Ginans and Qasidas.
ISHQ GINAN PEE.MAAN PIRO PAR
SHAYAD SHAQUE YA NARAZGI ALI AUR USKE ASABO PAR.
YEH SHAYAD MOMIN KI DHARMIK BHAVNA HO SAKTI HAI
USKA IMAAN NAHI?
IMAAN AISA RAKHO 'SIRF ALI ALI AUR EK HOJA ALI ALI'
HUKAM ALI KA HO AUR HAMARA JAWAB HO AMEEN.
As for Imam SMS Farman of 1898:
DEVI DEVTA GUFA PARVAT AUR PECHLE NAV AVAATAR
KE CHAKKER MEE, SAMBHALO KE KAHI AAP KI ATMA LAKH CHORIYASI
CHAKKER ME NAA AAJA WEH.
BANDH KARO YE BANIYE KI DUKAN AUR
KHOL DO ALI ALI SUPER MARKET.OFFLINE YA ONLINE.
Taking 360 different names of God is like asking the moon
for sunlight and taking ALI's name is like asking the sun for
sunlight.
ALI KO PYAAR KARO.ALI KO KHUSH KARO.
KABHI BHI ALI KO NARAZ MUT KARO
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:58 am Post subject:
If I am not forgetting that Sultan Mohammad Shah made one farman on
DAS AVATAR; 10 INCARNATIONS (not exact texts of farman as SMS made but it was some like this):- every one should know about 10 incarnations and instructed to learn it as Islamic principals
in this farman Mowla insisted us to to know more about 10 incarnations if it has some thing wrong to know about Das avatar then he would not have made this farman'
Imam Hakim once declared himself in front ofcrowd that he is 10 incarnation!! where no Hindus were present in that crowd.
In my opinion it is nothing wrong to know more about 9 incarnations specially for those readers who have interest to learn more about different religions then they must need to read and know about 10 incarnations AFTER ALL INCARNATION IS A THEORY OF EVOLUTION.
FYI:- Sultan Mohammed Shah once declared him self as a 'Krishna' in Mathura and told that I had played RAAS - GARBAS many times with Gopis in this place that proves a lot i.e.that incarnations were true and real.
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To Admin:
Devotional literature is not same as Imam's Farman.
In regards to Hazar Imam's guidance of 1961 n later on Ginans and Qasidas.
ISHQ GINAN PEE.MAAN PIRO PAR
SHAYAD SHAQUE YA NARAZGI ALI AUR USKE ASABO PAR.
YEH SHAYAD MOMIN KI DHARMIK BHAVNA HO SAKTI HAI
USKA IMAAN NAHI?
IMAAN AISA RAKHO 'SIRF ALI ALI AUR EK HOJA ALI ALI'
HUKAM ALI KA HO AUR HAMARA JAWAB HO AMEEN.
As for Imam SMS Farman of 1898:
DEVI DEVTA GUFA PARVAT AUR PECHLE NAV AVAATAR
KE CHAKKER MEE, SAMBHALO KE KAHI AAP KI ATMA LAKH CHORIYASI
CHAKKER ME NAA AAJA WEH.
BANDH KARO YE BANIYE KI DUKAN AUR
KHOL DO ALI ALI SUPER MARKET.OFFLINE YA ONLINE.
Taking 360 different names of God is like asking the moon
for sunlight and taking ALI's name is like asking the sun for
sunlight.
ALI KO PYAAR KARO.ALI KO KHUSH KARO.
KABHI BHI ALI KO NARAZ MUT KARO
Farmans are like Ginans, full of wisdom and divine knowledge. Secondly, Hindus do not worship 360 gods.
I think few lines of Farman quoted, can not help to develop understanding on this topic. You will need to read this complete Farman and see das avtar is not the only thing quoted by Imam in that particular farman, there were different other aspects mentioned by Him. Read that to understand the context.
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