Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: what is hunzai faith????
my mom always says shaitan hazaar jaat na varsaat varsavey sey...saitan can be in many forms to weaken one's faith. i m starting to see firkah or should i say branched off separating ismailis to do something non ismaili tarikah. i believe myself to be a good faith ismaili but i dont seem to understand where there are ismaili that are also known as "baapu wala" ...WHAT IS THAT???..what do they believe in and also call themselves ismailis. Recently i heard another one...ppl call it hunzai yet they also call themselves ismaili...does any 1 know about this..please enlighten me. its frustrating to seee our ismaili jamat going to different directions. i dont know much about this issue as it is new to me.
As MHI has explained in his numerous Farmans, there is diversity in our Tariqah. Our faith evolved and developed through different historical, cultural and linguistic circumstances in the course of its history. Today because of the globalisation of the Jamat made possible by the ease of communication, we are coming into contact with and being aware of Jamats of different cultural and liguistic background.
However all facets of this diversity believe in HazarImam....if they don't, then they are not to be regarded as Ismailis. I am not sure about the "Baapu Vaalas", Baapu means a respectable person and Baapu Vaala could well mean those who follow the respectable person. If this respectable person is MHI, then we should regard them as Ismailis. Hunzais are Ismailis who live in or come from Hunza in the northern part of Pakistan. They follow the teachings of the great Ismaili Dai Nasir Khusraw.
i'm well aware of what hunzai means and baapu wala is another sect that cuts off from other ismailis and they dont go to jamat khanna that often.... NOW when i talk about this hunzai so called faith. these ppl are some that i know also dont go to jamat khana as they used to ....i mean these ismaili went to jamat khane every day and night and now all of sudden they dont for some reasons....i know what i see and i see ppl talkin about it aswell. i tried to talk to these ppl they say "we are on right path and we are not doing any thing wrong"
I do not think that we should judge people simply by their attendance in JK. There may be good reasons for them not to come. Although attendance to JK is important, there is much more to our faith than it. It is our obedience to the Imam in our lives that is important.
i cant agree more with you on that...dua and attendance in jk is very important....but my question is not really related to the response im getting from yall... when i mentioned baapu wala or these new hunzai beliefs means that they believe in imam as well as someone else...thats the key word someone else...atleast that's what i hear...they are branched off from ismaili not muslim...ISMAILI...so i want to know if any 1 know about this..and what are there beliefs
The people of Hunza are not much more different from the other Ismailis of the world. Adnanali, u r correct that Ismailis r nearly split into 2 groups. Nasiruddin Nasir Hunzai, hails from Hyderabad, Hunza, NAs, Pakistan has formed a groupt called 'Khanai Hikmat - Idara-e-Arif' in place of Ismaili Tariqah & Religious Education Board (ITREB). These people don't believe in the present Imam and r working against the Imam of the time and Ismaili jamat. The said person has declared Prince Ali Khan father of Aga Khan-IV (Qaimul Qiyama) the last imam in his recent publications. We have to keep in mind that such incidents and splits have been occured in the past, (Ithna'asharis, Bohras etc.) Recently he has declared Hazrat Ali, as Almighty Allah and the Sunni committee of Gilgit has lodged an FIR (first investigation report) in the local police station of Gilgit, Northern Areas of Pakistan. The local administration have confiscated all his publications and a shop owned by him has been sealed and a case under Blasphemic law has been registered against him and his party. The said person is in excile nowadays. The local council has issued a press release condemning his blasphemic statements and declared that Nasir Hunzai is not a representative of the Imam of the Time to issue such blasphemic statements. These people do not come to jamatkhana and at nights they perform thier own rituals (sher-o-shairi of Hunzai) with (rabab and daf) a musical instrument
thanx for your reply,..i jus cant believe this is happening and it doesnt make sense that how easily ppl can believe and stop their jamat khane attendace and imam...if you know can you tell me what imam or what is being done at jamati level for this problem..please let me know...thanx again
I am not sure where this discussion is going but I urge all to keep in mind that Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah has stated that as long as someone declares himself an Ismaili, we have to consider him as an Ismaili. It is not up to us to declare anyone non-Ismaili. Second, in Maputo Hazar Imam said only Allah can judge.
I hope this is not going to end with fights on this forum between "pro" and "con" and rumours, gossips or insults. However, as far as only informations or facts are given in polite language from both side. I will tolerate the discussion. Else this whole thread will be deleted. Please make sure to be within the guidelines.
"I am not sure where this discussion is going but I urge all to keep in mind that Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah has stated that as long as someone declares himself an Ismaili, we have to consider him as an Ismaili. "
I would (seriously) love to know where you got that quote from.
<P>One thinks that Admin is un-aware and totally ignorant of the events going-on within the jamat. The above facts could be verified from the publications of Nasir Hunzai (Khana-e-Hikmat), local council and local administration. No allegations at all. No o­ne has dared to declare someone non-ismaili. If homosexuality, gay, lesbians, drinking, consuming pork etc. (which are totally against the farmans of the Imam of the Time) is allowed by Admin to discuss o­n these forums, o­ne has right to know about the religion and community also.<BR><BR>And o­ne has raised the argument that Nasiri group is more punctual in attending JK. As far as I know my close relatives and friends, associated with the said group don't. The mission of the said person is no new o­ne. It has been active since 40s and 50s. So someone asks, what Imam, council, and wolrd ismaili community have done something to solve this critical issue?</P>
Split occurs when there is a disagreement between equally intellectual indivduals. This is the risk one takes in a intellectually free and democratic tariqa, the tariqa which emphasizes more on intellect than anything else.
If the institution -- no matter how wrong they could be -- finds one or two individuals going against the rules and regulations of constitutions, then you have a visible split. Fortunately, we have one single authority who holds final decision, so we don't need to fret about anything here.
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:58:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mumtaz Ali <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Humble Appeal to the Ismaili Jamat
Dear Kamadia Saheb,
In fact, the group of Nasiruddin Hunzai has created several problems in the jamat through their activities in Karachi. Our Tariqah Board is in close contact with Mawlana Hazar Imam about it. This group now is also active in Vancouver. I will let you know further about this group. You should circulate it in your circle, so that at least new generation may not slip from our fundamental concept. Regards. Mumtaz Ali
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:08:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Iqbal Suriyani <email@example.com>
Subject: Humble Appeal to the Ismaili Jamat
READ & KNOW
HUMBLE APPEAL TO THE ISMAILI JAMAT
It has been observed that the religious activities of Allama Nasiruddin Nasir Hunzai and his group have reached to its extreme in the Ismaili jamat. They hampered and combed out the belief of Ismailism and brushed aside concept of the Imamate. One can judge ultra gravity of their foothold and domination that the qasida (odes) of Nasiruddin Hunzai are fearlessly recited in the Metrovile Jamatkhana, Karachi. On 9th September, 2005, the Kamadia of Metrovile Jamatkhana, one of the faithful disciples of Hunzai cult, harshly reviled and rebuked the Tariqah Board in his speech inside the Jamatkhana.
The Hunzai group is brisk in their operations with leaps and bounds in Pakistan and abroad under two faces. In one face emanates “true Ismailism” through their literature – a diplomacy to conquer the hearts of the Ismailis. In their second face, they brain wash the young children in their private assembly through the agency of hypnotism.
Nasiruddin Hunzai’s pupils have abandoned their secular education, and attend their private assembly as ascetics till late night. Each and every point is taught with the tool of inner dimension, propagating that the outer dimension is quite worthless. For instance, the tawil of the Jamatkhana is curiously interpreted that it is immaterial to attend it physically, but one should form an edifice of Jamatkhana within the heart. Hence, his pupils do not come in the Jamatkhana. When the pupils formed the image of inner Jamatkhana in their hearts, they are initiated to pay dasond (tithe) in the inner Jamatkhana at the rate of 10%. In the mantle of the Spiritual Scientist, Nasiruddin Hunzai claims that he deserves to collect the religious dues as the head of the inner Jamatkhana. This unauthorized fund is utilized in his upke! ep and mission. During the Afghan migration in 1996, the Afghan Ismailis mostly settled in Metrovile Society, Karachi, and were forced to remit the dasond to the Naderi Group in Afghanistan. Being inspired, Nasiruddin Hunzai also collected the dasond from his adherents.
The married girl students are taught to avoid conjugal relation with their husbands and take divorce if possible through inner declaration of talaq. Nasiruddin Hunzai also confers different titles upon his advanced disciples. The pupils are given solemn word (ism-i azam) and holy water (ab-i shafa) on every Friday. He also gives different tasbih emanating from his own name, such as Ya Nasir, Ya Aly Khan, Ya Imam al-Waqt, etc. It means that they have formed a different cult within the jamat, which is on the verge of isolation. If their mysterious interpretations are not restricted, it will be a major problem. Those who fled from their grip have reported few examples of illicit indulgence of male and female, not advisable to describe here. Nasiruddin Hunzai also makes predictions, but none was materialized. He also claim! s to work miracles. One ought to be careful because he and his advanced pupils are experts in the skills of hypnotism.
The most trembling news is that he preached his pupils in 1988 that Prince Aly Khan was the real successor of Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah. Later, he elaborated his theory on the basis of the forged mathematical calculation of Nasir Khusaro and skillfully inserted in the minds of the pupils that the Noor of Prince Aly Khan descended in two parts, viz. spiritual and temporal. The spiritual descended in his person and the secular one inherited by Shah Karim al-Hussaini Hazar Imam. He also claimed at first that he was the hujjat of Prince Aly Khan, and then claimed that he was the 50th spiritual Imam, making Hazar Imam as 51st Imam instead of 49th. In the video film of their festive gatherings, one can see four photos hanging on the stage in descending order, i.e., Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah, ! Prince Aly Khan, Nasiruddin Hunzai and Mawlana Hazar Imam. Before the time his pupils may ask him that the Imam must be in the descent of Hazrat Ali, he launched its counter response that his forefathers descended from Imam Jafar Sadiq, who migrated to Badakhshan in 12th century. It is gleaned from his literature that he never made reference of Mawlana Shah Karim al-Hussaini Hazar Imam. I have unmasked his concept, and now it is doubtful, what does he actually mean the word “Imam” in his literature? Besides, he has never quoted a single line of Hazar Imam’s farman. This is a curious phenomenon in Ismailism and absolutely contrary to the very character of Imamate conception. He also began to bless his close pupils with the phrase “Khana Abadan.” Hazar Imam wears a special golden robe during the grand didar program. It also prompted Nasiruddin Hunzai to imitate and wears a robe of equal
design, whose photos are given in his several books. His method of interpretation of the Koran was excellent, but after exhorting the Spiritual Science, he slipped and took another track. When one of his Muslim friends asked, why he claimed for hujjat or Imam, he replied that, “Ayatullah Khumeini can claim as an Imam, what is wrong in my claim?”
In March, 2005, he published his qasida, called “Diwan-i Nasiri,” whose second last verse contains the words, “Khuda’i du jahan” for Prince Aly Khan. He had left Karachi for Canada about four months before its publication. The Sunnis and Shias in Gilgit reacted against the above phrase and agitated rigorously in Gilgit. They registered FIR against him in Gilgit Police Station. The case is not melted but hovering as a burning issue. He would be arrested when arrived in Karachi. His another unpublished book “Qaim Shanashi” contains highly objectionable notion of the Imamate. His successor, Mr. Fakir Muhammad Hunzai has very proudly written its Foreword in nine pages. It was likely that this book might have created factions in the jamat and dogmatic revolution as well. Apprehending the threat of split in the! jamat, his son Mr. Izhar stopped its printing. It is reliably known that the Sunni ulema of Sipa’i Sahaba came to know the content of “Qaim Shanashi” in Skardu, and they are in quest of its copy to bifurcate Ismailis as well as to use it a weapon to disgrace and discredit Ismailis in Pakistan.
In June 8, 2004, Nasiruddin Hunzai visited the Aga Khan Gymkhana, Karachi with a multitude of his pupils to participate in the ceremony of Chirah-i Rawshan. He assured the Afghan Ismailis that, “You are celebrating Chiragh-i Rawshan in the corner of the Aga Khan Gymkhana. It is my word that you will celebrate it in the middle of the Gymkhana in near future.” His assurance contains a mysterious philosophy. Prince Aly Khan inherited the property of the Aga Khan Gymkhana, covering an area of 18 acres after the death of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah. When Prince Aly Khan expired on May 12, 1960, the property became the sole asset of Hazar Imam, where he built the Aga Khan Gymkhana School in 1964. It is likelihood that Nasiruddin Hunzai in the capacity of the successor of Prince Aly Khan may lodge clai! m of the premises of Aga Khan Gymkhana in future, which is apparent in his above words.
This alarming issue needs immediate eradication from its very root. How long the jamat will watch it as a silent audience? Collecting information and holding meetings are not an ideal line of action. There is a great talent in the manpower of the Tariqah Board, but none is motivated. It is known that the Chairman has a report that one or two persons in the Tariqah Board are spying for the Hunzai group in secret, and as a result he fears to bring into confidence to anyone in Tariqah Board. Nevertheless, if no action will be taken, Nasiruddin Hunzai will soon manifest as the Saviour or Messiah of his adherents like Rajnesh Bhagvan, who distorted Hinduism in India. Our leaders must note that their inordinate delay ultimately caused an emergence of one counter group, which is procuring support of competent persons in the world. This will per! haps cause an open clash between two groups and will possibly deteriorate the community discipline, and will furnish a lease of free rope to the enemies of the Ismailis.
The rigid tendency of the Hunzai group or Nasirism is at its climax and one of their associates reported that Mr. Fakir Muhammad would succeed after the death of Nasiruddin Hunzai, which can also be ascertained from his writings in the Gilgit library. It cannot be verified however, but is known that they have articulated a new kalma for an aspirant confessing their dogma.
The parents are requested to focus serious attention to this emerging challenge and forbid their children not to join the Hunzai group, who executes two-faced role to hunt their preys.
Needless to know, who am I? I am a faithful Ismaili. The urgent need is to drain off the fast spreading virus of the Hunzai group at once provided you are a true follower of Mawlana Hazar Imam. You must share my this letter everywhere for safeguarding the faith of other Ismailis. You however know better its side effect and consequence. May Mawla give Iman Salamati, Amen.
Thanks God that a large galaxy of the faithful in the Ismaili community enthused their interest quick as a flash to my first leaflet, partly exercising a tool to foil the mission of Nasiduddin Hunzai or Nasirism. Our efforts wielded great influence over the masses. We unveiled secret mission of Nasirism what induced in my conscience. This news is a tremoring challenge and would possibly rattle the faith of new generation. It provoked and stimulated the faithful, but they will have to maintain peace otherwise the community discipline would be paralyzed. The crying need of the time however is that the readers must share and circulate its copies everywhere to guard the faith of the innocent Ismaili brothers and sisters.
What should we do when one promulgates against the concept of the Imamate? Let the Institutions do their own work, which cannot announce anything in the Jamatkhanas or take direct actions. Individually, however, it is our right to inform one another an emergence of a secret creed within the jamat. The root of the Nasirism is not thickened, rather not so easy to enroot them at once. They do not reveal their actual creed to the new comers or outsiders through literature. A more important reason for the privacy is the keeping the secrecy from the reach of those who, being unprepared to accept their message, could corrupt it. Thus, their creed is inserted in gradual process in the minds of advanced pupils after the training of three years.
His books have nothing to do with the policy of the Tariqah Board or any other known Ismaili Institutions, and nothing to do with the guidance of the Imam. It is an opinion of an individual for his group. Hunza is the native soil of Nasiruddin Hunzai’s family tree, where he was born in 1917. He joined the Tariqah Board (then known as Ismailis Association) in 1959. Nonetheless, he was a gifted man of literary genius and gained opportunity to carry on his literary pursuits. He left Tariqah Board in 1968. In 1990, a crowd of fantastic, rather pathetic thoughts revolved in his mind that Prince Aly Khan was the successor of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah and he was the hujjat between 1957 and 1960 and successor of Prince Aly Khan since 1960. He curiously claimed that the spark of his ethereal self was kindled and a flame of inspiration had taken its birth in his bosom. Cradled under the shadows of his new theory, he boldly preached to his adherents. His fantastic vision reached its climax through his lectures, but feared to mention it in his literature. The Afghan migrants and few Ismailis of the Northern Area of Pakistan provided him benign climate to hatch his theory in 1996. He planted his new concept in the hearts of his advanced pupils. The reason for being successful among his handful pupils is that he has in his nature an invaluable gift of the art of hypnotism to captivate the listeners. He extracted his concept of the Imamate from the forged mathematical calculation of Nasir Khusaro. Firstly, he made Prince Aly Khan as the successor of Imam Sultan Muhammad and himself became the hujjat of Prince Aly Khan, making Mawlana Hazar Imam as 50th Imam, and then he further elaborated his theory that he was the successor of Prince Aly Khan, making Mawlana Hazar Imam as 51st, which is gleaned from his book, “Qaim Shanashi.” There are several layers of misunderstanding in the portrait of Nasiruddin Hunzai as depicted in his psalm, “Qaim Shanashi,” sounding a true index of his inner motive. It seems that it dawned upon him that he has begun to waste the most precious period of rest of life in vain claim. Apprehending lest it would resort to the split in the community, his son, Mr. Izhar stopped its printing. Inshallah, we will reproduce his theory from his original writings very soon.
The Ismailis are asking, what are the measures of Tariqah Board for Pakistan in this context? It is absolutely difficult to reply. From the inquiries we have instituted that the leaders of the Tariqah Board and the Regional Board are engrossed in their ceaseless meetings and it seems that the series of their meetings will continue till 13th December, 2005. Nonetheless, the Tariqah Board can do one thing, which is within its power and that they must stop recitation of the qasida of Nasiruddin Hunzai in the Metrovile Jamatkhana, Karachi and few Jamatkhanas in Northern Area of Pakistan. Is it difficult for them?
Our informants told us that his adherents are in search of the biography and photos of Prince Aly Khan in Karachi. When asked, the reply is that “We want to highlight the achievement of Prince Aly Khan.” The female adherents are reported to have written a letter to the Aga Khan Hospital, Karachi to display the photo of Prince Aly Khan in the premises. It is curious that an “idea of highlighting” struck in Nasirism about 45 years after the death of Prince Aly Khan. Why not the achievements of Prince Sadruddin too? They also contacted Mr. Fakir Muhammad, the future imam of the Nasirism, who assured to furnish the materials very soon from the library of the Institute of Ismaili Studies, London. The readers are urged to concentrate, what is their aim? It ensues that they want to highlight Prince Aly Khan in view of their own sense of propriety.
The principal sign of a pious person is that he dislikes public appearance, while Nasiruddin Hunzai enjoys in his publicity to its extreme, and his each book contains his coloured photo, sometimes group photos with his adherents. Look at his eyes, and those among you who have a little knowledge of hypnotism will easily trace out his close association with such art and skill.
Mawlana Hazar Imam visited Canada in June, 2005, when Nasiruddin Hunzai was in Chicago and advised his followers that he would shower reward of didar provided they postponed to visit Canada. He also made a trip of Dallas and forbade his pupils not to go Canada, and said, “I will bring him (the Imam) with my spiritual power in Dallas.” Imam didn’t come in Dallas. It rests upon his adherents to decide the futile prediction based on his so called spiritual power, which he claims to have inherited from Prince Aly Khan in 1960. He and his heir apparent, Mr. Fakir Muhammad resided in the old musafarkhana of Kharadhar, Karachi. In 1960, Mawlana Hazar Imam visited Pakistan and it is reliably reported that Nasiruddin Hunzai was in the pendol for didar and since then he never took the didar of the Imam or visited the Jamatkhana.
At this juncture, we deem it necessary to bring forth trenchant and rational evidence that Prince Aly Khan never succeeded Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah. The Imam however deputed Prince Aly Khan on several occasions in India as his Valiahad, prompting the Ismailis to consider that he would succeed to the Imamate.
The matter came to a head when David Burk, of the London Daily Express, ran into Prince Aly Khan in the lounge of the Cataract and bluntly confronted him with the rumors about his future. “Had there been a quarrel?” “There has never been the slightest disagreement between me and my father on this subject,” Aly told Burk. “I know there are rumors but someone must have dreamt them up.” When Burk mentioned that some people doubted whether he, Prince Aly, would succeed his father as head of the Shia Ismailis, Ali restored: “Why should there be any doubt?” He said he had regularly visited Ismaili communities and loyally performed his religious duties as his father’s representative” (vide Willi Frishchauer’s “The Aga Khans,” London, 1970, p. 198). Willi Frishchauer further writes, “The Aga Khan had made no secret of his premonition that his son’s life would not be a long one. The clear implication was that he would not wish to entrust the welfare of the community to someone who seemed to court an early death” (p. 198).
In consultation with English and Swiss lawyers, Maitre Ardoin prepared a final text of the Will of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah, which was signed in 25th May, 1955. It was deposited in the vaults of Lloyds Bank, London. On July 13, 1957, the Noorani Family gathered at the Barkat Villa in Geneva to hear the Will of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah, brought down from Lloyd’s Bank in London by Otto Giesen, a solicitor with the London firm of Slaughter and May. It revealed the words of the Imam: “I appoint my grandson Karim, son of my son Aly Salomone Khan, to succeed to the title of Aga Khan and be the Imam and Pir of all my Shia Ismaili followers.” Prince Aly Khan was the first to take oath of allegiance from Mawlana Hazar Imam. The Ismaili leaders gathered in the room where 48th Imam breathed his last. Mata Salamat entered the room with Prince Amyn Muhammad in first appearance. Prince Karim as the next 49th Imam followed them with a radiant face at 10.30 a.m. and sat on the chair. The leaders recited “Amen.” Late Mukhi Pirbhai of Paris Jamatkhana related that the first words sprang from the mouth of Mawlana Hazar Imam were: “According to the Will of my beloved grandfather, I am your Hazar Imam. I am your 49th Mawla Mushkil Kusha.” The room echoed with the loud voice of Amen, Amen.
Mawlana Hazar Imam sent following message to the world Ismailis:
Geneva : July 13, 1957
On my ascension to the holy Imamate according to absolute will and nomination of my late beloved grandfather of reverend memory, I send my best maternal paternal blessings all dear spiritual children all over the world.
Mata Salamat, Umm Habibeh also sent following message:
Geneva : July 13, 1957
According to Ismaili traditions and in accordance with late beloved Hazar Imam’s explicit will and nomination, Prince Karim has been installed as Hazar Imam of all Ismailis at Barkat Versoix, Geneva in presence of Ismailis from all parts of the world when all Ismailis here paid bayat, homage and offered loyalty and devotion.
The Syrian Ismailis appear to have taken it for granted that Prince Aly Khan would succeed his father as Imam. He visited Salamia, Syria soon after Hazar Imam acceded the throne of Imamate. When he made his appearance there was a burst of cheering from the tremendous rush of the Ismailis. To greet him on arrival, they surrounded him and gave warm ovation. There was a natural gaiety and thrill in their manner. He warded off the suspicion of the Ismailis in his speech. Willi Frishchauer writes in “The Aga Khans” (London, 1970, p. 214) that, “By horse and mule he made his way to remote village, talked to the elders and addressed the rank and file proclaiming that his father has chosen his son Karim al-Huseini as Imam and that he, for one, accepted the choice. Karim had asked him to say that he would come and visit Syria as soon as possible. Aly’s charm and powers of persuasion restored the situation.” Leonard Slater writes that, “Aly spoke of the unity of the Ismailis and the prosperity and prestige it had brought to the community. He praised Karim and quoted Karim’s words, ‘I dedicate my life to the well-being and uplift of Ismailis all over the world.’ He promised to remain the Syrians’ spokesman in community affairs but told them firmly: ‘The succession has passed from my father to my son.” (vide Aly, London, 1965, p. 252)
It is related that the Syrian Ismailis expressed their wish to make his last resting place in Salamia. Prince Aly Khan promised and made a will to bury him in Salamia. The tragic death of Prince Aly Khan took place in a car accident near Paris on the night between May 12 and 13, 1960. His body was put to rest in the temporary grave in the grounds of the Chateau de l’Horizon. The final burial ceremony took place in Salamia on July 10, 1972. When Mawlana Hazar Imam visited Salamia on July 29, 1959, he was accorded a warm welcome, and the Ismailis took their oath of allegiance.
There were similar rumblings at Sargodha and Kasur in the Punjab, home of some fifteen hundred Ismailis, mostly owners of small businesses. One group led by Dr. Aziz Ali, a homeopathic doctor in Chiniot, went into opposition, refused to acknowledge Shah Karim and claimed Prince Aly Khan as the new Imam. As soon as he heard of the trouble, Amirali Fancy, the President of the Federal Council for Pakistan traveled to the Punjab to put the malcontents to rights. Willi Frishchauer writes in “The Aga Khans” (London, 1970, pp. 214-5) that, “A few weeks later, when Aly arrived in Karachi, Fancy informed him of the incident: “Let me talk to those people,” Aly volunteered at once. Fancy arranged a meeting between Aziz and Aly, who was staying at the President’s house. Once more, Aly made his position perfectly clear: “My son is the rightful Imam,” he insisted.” Hence, the revolt fizzled out.
We have mentioned in our first leaflet, why his disciples do not attend the Jamatkhana. In our interview with their disciples, we have known one more reason with great shock. They boldly said that the present Dua recited in the Jamatkhana is incorrect because its sixth part contains names of 49 Imams, not 51 Imams!! May Mawlana Hazar Imam guard the Ismailis and their children even from the slightest shade of Nasirism, Amen. Ya Ali Madad & Eid Mubarak.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Let's get real
I have been reading this thread with some dismay - especially the rather long post "informing" us about Mr Hunzai! Instead of a rational, intellectual, factual based post, it is entirely based on rumours - not what I would say is according to the Imam's farmans! So, here are a few facts for you to ponder on.
* Allamah Hunzai wrote a series of poems which he published as Diwan-i Nasiri in the 1960's. This was sent to the Imam and he received a Taliqah in which the Imam accepted his 'ginans in Burushaski language'. A copy of the taliqah is in that publication, and these ginans have been the main source of devotional poems in the jamats of Hunza for decades.
* Amongst all the vitriol, nothing has been mentioned about the content of the 100 books written by Mr Hunzai, (nor the 60 translated into English) - maybe Mr Surayani has not read these books - he should! For more information, please see [outside link deleted by Admin] (the web site is not down!)
* In 2001, Mawlana Hazir Imam graciously bestowed a mulaqat to Allamah Hunzai and Dr Faquir Mohammed Hunzai in the presence of Aitmadi Shafiq Sachedina (Imam's right hand man). In this Mulaqat, Imam asked Allamah Hunzai to work with him and that he (Imam-i Zaman) would work with Allamah Hunzai.
These are facts - and there are plenty more. If you wish to understand more about the personality, his philosophy, his history - and his service to Hazar Imam and Mawlana Sultan Muhammad Shah, please do ask.
I would just ask everyone to please question what they are told - by me or anyone else, and not consider that person to be an honest authority unless they can prove what they have said!
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: what is the hunzai faith?
Rather than reply to people who are single-minded, anyone who is interested in who I am, whether I attend JK, whether I have left my faith, my family etc etc - please talk to the UK Council/Tariqah board etc who all know me well. Also you may contact the Mukhi of South London Jamat Khana.
I leave the rest to you - I am not going to waste my energy
Should someone not be monitoring this site for blatant abuse?
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