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shamsu
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 Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 7:05 pm Post subject: 50,000 Adams |
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Here we go,
The other reference is as follows:
In the Book "Sufi Mahatmao" published by Re-creation club/ Ismailia Assn. of India in 1965 on page 5 last line, 6,& 7, in the chapter on Salman Farsi.
"Farsi ane Irani loko no manvu cche ke Salman Farsi je amarama Dastur India na name orkhay cche, darsavyu cche "Masare Qul Anwaar" na hawala thi
"Ek waqt Imam Hussein bae wars na hata ane te waqte H. Aly na khoda ma betha hata jyare H. Salaman Farsi ae Aly na sambandi sawal pucchiyu "Ya Imam Hussein aapna pitashri ni umer ketli?"
H. Imam Hussein ae hasi ne javab apyu "Salaman, tame mari nani umer samjine aevo prashna karyu. Ay Salman, Khudae 50,000 Aadam peda karya ane darek aadam ni vacche pachas pachas hajar varsh jetli mudat gujri cche. Me ae jattae pratham Adam ni sahaye kari hati. Munkeero sathe me ae ek hajar yudh karya cche. jema nana ma nanu yudh Khyber na Darul Yudh jaetlu hatu...."
H. Imam Hussein aagal varnan karta hata aetlama H. Mowla Aly ae temna mukh uper hath nakhi farmavyu ke " .....in arabic..." (translates into) "Ay hussein tame chup moun dharan karo jem Rasulillah ae moun daran karyu hatu"
My statement was that Imam SMS has said this. The truth is that Imam SMS said it in Imam Hussein's Joma about 1300-1400 yrs ago. |
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star_munir
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam is the name of first man and first prophet.How can there be 50.000 Adams. |
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nagib
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Adam is the name of each first man of each new cycle. ismailis do not believe in linear time concept like christians but in cyclical time where a cycle follows the previous cycle always...
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unnalhaq
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:44 pm Post subject: The "TARIQAH BOARD" |
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I think the folks at Tariqua Board have very narrow felid of view. If they had a broader perspective it would be a too easy (to follow to Serat-e-mustaquim). I know for the fact that the conspiracy of folks at TB (I just realized as I am typing this, that they are the disease TB) prevents Jamet's access to Farmans that may point out that something that is as plain or blunt that the they may be doing wrong (sinning) and Farman points to it they do everything possible to have is concealed. I had one TB chair tell me that (after I produced an audio of Farman, that was pointing to something that they presently do is fundamentally goes against that Farman) "...those Farmans are illegal" eventhough The Present Imam specifically included the Regions (where we are) that Farman was directed to. Go figure! My father tells me that at one occasion jameti members approached the 48th Imam and ask "Why do you bestow the Titles/Appoint to leader’s position to the peoples who are clearly not very honest nor very good to others?" The Imam replied "...sometimes you have to put burden (title) upon those people because when you place heavy load on Donkeys (JACKASSES), in hopes of getting them to go on a straight and narrow path. However, the donkey, have the instinct of straying and kicking at times."
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Thank you for the information - The Gavhere Rahamat contains farmans which are edited and taken from Kalam E Imam E Mubin - in other words, the essence of the farmans is deleted to give unclear picture, which is not right by the people who did it. Not heard of Bahere Rahemat. Now the question is which farman appears in other books that are not covered in the book Kalam E Imam E Mubin?[/quote]
WHY NOT MAKE FARMANS AVAILABLE ON THE NET INSTEAD. ACCORDING TO ISMAILI TARIQAH WHEN ONE KNOWS ABOUT THE TRUTH AND THAT PERSON CONCEALS IT - THEN THIS IS A SIN.
ALSO QURAN REVEALS:
Al-Baqara - 2
42) And cover not Truth with falsehood nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).[/quote] |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: Re: 50,000 ADAMS |
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| shamsu wrote: |
Imam SMS farman has stated that " Pacchas hajar Adam thai gaya..."
(50,000 Adams have passed) |
The following is a quote from Ibn Arabi's book "Divine Governance of the Human Kingdom" by Ibn 'Arabi as as interpreted by Sunni Sufi Shaykh Tosun Bayrak al-Jerrahi al-Halveti. This reinforces the view of many many Adams.
"As I was circumambulating the Kaaba, I saw a strange person, quite different in appearance from what I was accustomed to seeing among the people. As he walked around the Kaaba he continually recited, "We, like you, are circumambulating this House." I caught up with him and asked him who he was. He said I am your ancestor far removed."
"When did you live?"
"I died over forty thousand years ago."
"They say Adam, may Allah's blessing be upon him, was the first man,
and lived only six thousand years ago."
"Which Adam do you mean? Know that he is only the last
of one hundred thousand Adams who came and passed away before him." |
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AlwaizaRashida
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| YAM<BR>There is a Ginan by Pir Saderdin Ginan .86:11<BR>Eji awa anek bhirma aage hua<BR>ane adam lakh caror<BR>asekhye tu wishnu hua<BR>ped nehi koi shah ni jod<BR>Please also read Tarikhe Farishta by Mohd.Qassim Ferishta Page no, 32<BR>Ik shaks ne hazrat ali se sawal kiya Hazrat Adam ke 3000saal kebel kiya tha Aap ne Jawab deya ADAM Us ne 3 times pucha Mawla Ali ne yehe jawab dia .Akir kar Aap ne farmaya Ai shkhs jo muje ise teha 30 mertaba puchta hi reheja ke adam ke pehle kon tha to mera jawab bhi adam hi hoga kiu ke us ki hud na mumkin hai |
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NQALI
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| there is ginan saying"auth krore bharma age ten upaya. |
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imranqbaig
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| well according to my studies....there is no any fix number of Adams stated that they are passed till now...but can tell you one thing...there are as many Adams as a universe contains planets...... |
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hungama25
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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and per the book of islam there is only one adam [as] created by allah , he was given the knowledge about the things which even angels never knew of....and then we know the story as how he was tricked by iblis[satan] and how he was send down on earth
we all believe in this right ???? so if there are 50,000 adam then did god send them on earth 50 000 times ???
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did satan fooled adam for say 50 000 times , 
there is only one adam[as]as per book of islam and we are his spritual son i.e son of adam |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| hungama25 wrote: |
| there is only one adam[as]as per book of islam and we are his spritual son i.e son of adam |
I think we have to make a distinction between Adam symbolic of the first man created and Hazarat Adam the Prophet. The latter is alluded to when 50.000 is mentioned by Imam Husein. There have been many many prophetic cycles. |
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hungama25
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| I think we have to make a distinction between Adam symbolic of the first man created and Hazarat Adam the Prophet. The latter is alluded to when 50.000 is mentioned by Imam Husein. There have been many many prophetic cycles. |
what ???
hold on a second ,so you mean to say that h.adam[as] that was created by allah and to whom all angels did sajdah is different from prophet adam??? |
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Admin
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| hungama25 wrote: |
| so you mean to say that h.adam[as] that was created by allah and to whom all angels did sajdah is different from prophet adam??? |
I think you have a long way to go on your search to understand this Adam story. There are many many interpretations across the Muslim world but for a start read this one:
http://www.ismaili.net/Source/0836.html
B S O S, VOLUME IX: 1937-39.
An Ismaili Interpretation of the Fall of Adam
By Bernard Lewis |
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hungama25
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: |
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thank you admin , heres some questions for you
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| The evil aspect is as follows. Iblis is the tree, Adam being for bidden to disclose to him the true secret wisdom. The fact that the tree, although evil, is in the garden is explained by the statement that Iblis was formerly a da'i of some rank, but had been expelled for his arrogance and his rebelliousness. |
iblis was not a dai but a jinn as mentioned in quran [jinns are made of fire]
1] can you prove me from any resource that he was a dai and not jinn ????
2] can you please tell me the difference between spiritual adam and adam as a human ??? |
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Admin
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:16 am Post subject: |
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As I said, you have a long way to go before you understand this article. But it is already a good progress that you read it.
Any moderately intelligent person has still to read it twice to understand what it says. It is not an article easy to understand. Since I am not in that category, I had to read it 3 times before I understood 
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