Is Quran complete?

curious2 · Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 142

But human beings are not above Allah. So Allah had to know what was coming. There has to be a reason. Did Allah gave us Islam and perfected it just to be so unperfect that a mere humans would change or play with his commands? If we were to accept Imam in his true form then this incident has to have a better meaning and understanding. I'm leading towards a belief that "creating" of written Qur'an has more than what eye and mind sees.

God's words and his commands existed before Prophet Mohammad. We are believing that God "perfected" the religion Islam by having Prophet Mohammad reveal Imam of the time. The human history after this perfectness shows us something otherwise.

Why?

You see, this brings Imam to the same level of any other elevated being (or call him Allah/God of any faith, be that Shiva of Brahman, or replace him with Quran and Hadith, it does not make any difference). He wants us to play this cosmic game of who is right and who is wrong. Those who believe in Him are as same as those who do not. The rules were rigged right before the game could start.

So what is the mystery behind majority of human beings not following the perfect religion? Perhaps, our understanding of perfectness needs better explanation.

Is this logic making any sense?

unnalhaq · Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 352

curious2, Nicely put. Here, I had mistaken you for the Councilman

curious2 · Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 142

star_munir · Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 1602

Please write more clearly your thoughts on changings in Quran and what you wrote in your previous posts.

st0necol · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

He meant why there people don't have perfect religion.

Well, all religions aren't wrong. Allah will judge everyone on their good deeds and bad deeds. We must respect other religions. All communicate with one source.

If I take my interpretation on it.

I would say, Allah created this world and it's like a game. And souls are the players. Allah is the watcher like our parents watch what we are doing in game. The more with concentration they play the more quickly they pass levels and reach close to the end which is victory (Asaal makaan). If you go astray from the path, you might be having difficulties. And then comes the level where the soul meets the Boss character in the game. Which is our Imam. So thats why only few souls recognize Hazar Imam because we've to be so elevated to be able to recognize him. And once we meet the boss in the game then our next guiding for the missions or levels comes through his lips. The more we listen to him, the more he gets happy, the more we get promotions besides that our roads for clearing levels becomes easier too.

I imagine 'Grand Theft Auto - GTA' game into my mind.

I would like others to comment on it. [

] I maybe wrong or right so please I would like to know.

Thanks

st0necol · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

Well a couple of months ago, I watched Dr. Zakir Nayak's show on TV

in it he said that the Quran was written in a way that when Allah used to send Wahii upon Prophet P.B.U.H. Prophet called on Sahabas and they used to write it immediately.

Sounds quite contradictory which the knowledge we have.

The issue raised in my mind was that Prophet Muhammad PBUH always conveyed Quran in the form of his Hadiths right? Then how the actual text of Quran was written? And Quran was never compiled during his time. So I am confused in it.

And who was the person who learned all the Quran so that during 2nd or 3rd caliph he helped Caliph Osman in compiling ?

And why Hazrat Ali when he was the 4th caliph didn't undo the changes Osman made in the Quran ? Any history behind it?

st0necol · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

And to those having doubts that Quran itself says that Quran would be protected by Allah till the day of Judgement.

See Quran was written into text during 3rd calipha. I think that Allah wanted to say because Ali and Quran are one and will stay together so he'll keep Progeny of Prophet P.B.U.H. away from corruption and would protect them.

Caliph Osman may have tampered with the Quran's message written down on paper but he couldn't tamper with the Speaking Quran. Who was the author of it.

You may burn or tamper the author's book but it's the only author who has the whole book preserved and protected in his mind

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st0necol · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

Frankly, it's a controversial issue and I understand your views. As you follow Sunni school of thought.

But there's always other side of the coin too

Which is Shia school of thought.

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st0necol · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

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st0necol · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

Remember brother

Allah is not dependent on us, he does not need the papers or writing skills of ours to preserve his message. His message is ever-lasting. Even if the Quran was tampered, it made their kids suffer only.

The message of Islam, the message of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was of Peace and only Peace and humanity. It covers everything. It's such a beautiful religion.

Your welcome

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st0necol · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

Quran needs a divine interpreter.

I am sorry but i don't know them, I will search on them and then get back to you.

If it was not then why Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent? Allah would have sent the book on Earth on Arabs and made them read and interpret on their own?

According to Shia school of thought, we believe that why Allah be so cruel to those who didn't born in that time period?

Today you see there are many Imams in Masjid with each one interpreting Quran on their own intellect level. While Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) interpreted Quran on his divine Intellect. Where our intellect ends, his intellect starts.

And would Allah want this situation of Islam? That Non-Muslims blaming Islam and saying that it's a cruel religion? Well if it was really cruel then those arabs idolaters would have never accepted Islam. It brought humanity among mankind and peace which was different from their religion. It gave the message of forgiving your brothers.

I recently read an article and the person was defaming Non-Muslims as Kafir so much that he said Adultery is a sin for a Muslim guy if he does with a Muslim Girl but not a sin if it's done with a non-muslim girl and in any way you want. Thats made a joke out of Islam !

Are others created by Devil ? NO!! They're also created by Allah too.

We all are humans.

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