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Changes in the Ginans
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: changing in ginan Reply with quote

shamsu wrote:

You can only change what belongs to you, where no one else has a claim to it.
shamsu


I agree. If Pir Hassan Kabirdin said "Hari Anant" and some one changes this to "Ali Anant", it would be a lack of ethics and a lie to say "boliya Hasan Kabirdin" since this Pir did not say "Ali anant". However it would become alright if we also change the ending to say "boliya allama kassamali" for example.

According to our present Imam, faith is Ethics. It is a concept promoted by our Imam. We are not to lie. Even if lying pleases some of our brothers in Islam in a particular country.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:15 am    Post subject: Memorandum from Missionary Abu Aly Alibhai on ginans Reply with quote

Memorandum from Missionary Abu Aly Alibhai to World Conference Ismailia Association to be held 1st November 1969 at Karachi and to be presented to Hazar Imam in the Conference in Paris on 20 November 1969.

The document discusses the backgroung context of Ginans and damage done to our faith by changing and alteration id Ginan's words.

You can now read here the long legal size 7 pages document in pdf format here:

http://ismaili.net/timeline/1969/1969-10-07-abualy-memorandum.pdf

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Ismaili Ginan attributd to Syed Baqir Shah Reply with quote

Ginan attributed to Syed Baqir Shah, re-attributed to Syed Imam Shah by Mukhi Lalji Devraj in his 100 Ginans Khojki books.

The book contains about 15 granths and 50 ginans, many with variance or not published in any later publication, first few pages and cover pages are missing, the book starts with Anant Akhado granth. See below the image of the ginan from that books which seems to have been printed around CE 1900

Wikipedia says this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satpanth] "He (Syed Imamshah) wrote many ginans which are recited by the Ismailis. He had four sons, viz. Sayed Alam Shah, Sayed Ali Shah, Sayed Bakar Shah and Sayed Nur Muhammad Shah, and a daughter called Shams Khatoon."

I found the same ginan in Mukhi Lalji Devraj 's version under author Imamshah. Surprising because that version below has twice the name Baqar Shah. I first thought it may be an Imamshahi publication but to my knowledge they did not print in Khojki. We can see "Baqir Shah" replaced by "Nur Shah" in verse 2 of this accepted canonic version. Also in the last verse, "Bhane Pir Baqir Shah" appears in Lalji Devraj as "Bhane Syed Imamshah". The number of verses are 5 in both and there is no major difference between both publication beside the authorship.

Syed Baqir Shah tomb is in Pirana on the opposite side of the road where Syed Imamshah's tomb is situated. The people controlling the place are called "Athias" and have initially been converted (8 of them, hence the name "Athias") by Syed Badardin, the brother of Pir Sadardin. I went to visit a couple of years back. They have drifted quite far from the teachings in their ginans and many of them do puja of a colorful and large cow idol which is in the compound. They said they gave all their manuscripts to the "moti" Pirana Dargah and these manuscripts were subsequently all put in the river.

Here is a transcript of the ginan from the Lalji Devraj version:

http://ismaili.net/ginans/transcription/part6/bgh6-012.html

Kaljug naa jiv katthann chhe,
ane kem utarso paar;
saami ji aaviaa nasiat devaa,
saambhro rikhisar vir 1

Vikhaddi te vela aavi chhe,
saami ji aape aap;
karanni naa fal viraa paamso,
to sevaa Nur Shaah 2

Ek man ek chint sevaso,
to saami ji dese didaar;
kudd kapatt jo dil maanhe raakhso,
to saami ji puchhe nirvaann 3

Dharam ujaalo dekhso,
saami ji to hese khusaal;
dilnaa dagaa dur karo,
to saaheb deve didaar 4

Sat Panth jo srevso,
to gher amraapuri leheso,
bhanne Pir Imaam Shaah,
ehi shabd sat kari maan jo 5

Here is the ginan page from the allegedly earlier published Khojki book which attribute it to Syed Baqir Shah (Imam Shah's son):



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