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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:05 pm    Post subject: Letter to LIF seeking clarification and more information Reply with quote

Thank you all for sharing the LIF announcement re next Deedar. Link to read/get a copy https://www.facebook.com/IsmailiHeritage/posts/1946533948952369

1. Please confirm if this was officially approved by LIF (as the “Jamats” constitutional “body”).
2. This announcement was typed by Eqbal Rupani on his computer on 27 October 2017
a. This was modified by him on same day
b. He has numbered this No 267.
i. So he has typed 267 earlier such LIF announcements/Docs
ii. Can we have copies of them please
3. In the past Eqbal Rupani and Shafik Sachedina (with a few), have sent without LIF consultation or approval. (see earlier emails and GJ London Farman Sentence deleted)
4. There is no Farman (Talika), from Hazar Imam according to LIF/E Rupani. Yet you say Hazar Imam has said and guided (Given Farmans)
5. Can you please let us know why LIF does not call this a Diamond Jubilee Deedar
a. when this is and will be a Diamond Jubilee Deedar (like Uganda and Tanzania recently).
b. And why are you not saying that in addition to Deedar, Hazar Imam will grace, perform and bless the Jamat (or Murids), with the usual rites and ceremonies which Hazar Imam conducts during Deedar. (Instead why is LIF is calling this as a “Visit” for “Jamati work”
c. Why hide and mystify the truth, when Hazar Imam says clearly that you a must demystify, share and explain and lso be able to articulate these. These are as you know also on internet and in court documents in the public domain (Haji Bibi case and Judgement)
6. LIF adds that Hazar Imam has “ recommended that large Jamati gatherings should be avoided in the organisation and conduct of these Imamat visits “
a. Can we please have a copy of this ? (which is “a Farman” as defined by Hazar Imam in Farmans.
7. LIF then adds “ In conformity with all previous Jamati work visits, access to the ceremonies related to the forthcoming visit for Eastern Canada will be restricted only to the jurisdiction Jamats”
a. Can you please let us have a copy of this Farman, and a list of the Visits in and since Golden Jubilee in which Hazar Imam, not given Deedar But only conducted “Jamati Work “ meaning the usual religious rites and ceremonies (for only the Local Jamat).
8. LIF adds that there will be further Diamond Jubilee “Visits” . Meaning Diamond Jubilee Deedars to other parts of Canada and other countries.
a. If not please confirm there will be no Deedars at all.

In view of the above, I request LIF to respond and also
1 let us have copies of the LIF reports and recommendations to Hazar Imam, as well as
2 the resulting guidance and recommendations (Farmans), from Hazar Imam has given for and about the Jamat , including those for and during;
a. The Homage Deedar on 11July 2017
b. The Kampala Deedar & Visit
c. The Dar es salaam Deedar & Visit
d. The Forthcoming Deedar and visit to Canada (including the dates 15-17 ?and precisely which Murids (Canadian Jamat Khannas), will be allowed to join their brothers and sisters for congregational prayers and Deedar in the designated “Deedar prayer hall” )

Please share a copy with all LIF Members and all the National Councils and Mukhi’s and Kamadia Sahebans for their Jamats. Any response, feedback or information from anyone is welcome.

Ya Ali Madad


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To chatur/clever:Ya Ali Madad.
It is in simple English.
There have been pending jamati work visit of eastern Canada from last few year for majlis entry,BOL,MADHAM etc.
So not a one cenrtrailzed jubilee darbar with fanfare.
So a difference is made in articulating the message.
For a country like India ,some project visit,inaugural ,etc is desired to secure invitation from the government as a STATE GUEST of the country with honors and not a private visit.
So just a religious visit to grace his followers may not precisely qualify any to be state guest in secular country like India.
Did you see the honor at both Dar and Kampala airports.?
You have raised a petty issue,trying to make mountain out of a mole.
Read the words.MHI has authorized ,this has been added that many blinkered think LIF announcements sans any authority of MHI and it a fancy of their own making.
SO I SIDE WITH LIF as their notional attorney general of ALI.
but in the case of TKN data( 7 miilon energetic jamat) utility and scope ,I will tear them apart with the same Zulfiqar( now keyboard) of ALI and inspiration of ALI.
So let us ALL celebrate in our home town along with eastern Canada in SPIRIT of ONE JAMAT.( spirit does not means not physical).
SAMOSA ,BIRYANI,SHERBET, JALSA AUR KHUB JALSA.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To mehboobchatur: Ya Ali Madad.
In regard to this wordings.
LIF then adds “ In conformity with all previous Jamati work visits, access to the ceremonies related to the forthcoming visit for Eastern Canada will be restricted only to the jurisdiction Jamats”

Can you please let us have a copy of this Farman, and a list of the Visits in and since Golden Jubilee in which Hazar Imam, not given Deedar But only conducted “Jamati Work “ meaning the usual religious rites and ceremonies (for only the Local ond Jubilee “Visit.
In September 2015 MHI visited In India ,It. was a pure jamati work visit ,I assume it was strictly for western India ,there was local n international restrictions placed to visit Mumbai for that purpose
I attended the didar on earlier day .On last day they were many Ismailis and I was outside to see MHI passing bye.So were a hundred odd jamat from other parts on India & abroad.
The event was at Hasnabad.Some senior volunteer came outside and took those from outside Mumbai and abroad inside the compound gate.
There was cub & bul bul salutation to happen after didar ,which was outside Didar hall and compound gates.MHI was there full 03 minutes and also Gave blessing in louder voice chord to those standing there.
I do not know whether it was a discreet decision of local leader or call in heart of the volunteers which made outstation jamat to get few minutes of deedar and not few seconds.
What I saw from outside compounded gate.
May be it was a minor act of indiscipline but local leaders and/or the volunteer were sensitive to the utmost desire & wish of out station Ismailis outside on roads on the last day.THAT is precisely the spirit of one jamat.in the first place ,the outstation jamat should not have been there.Leaders have to maintain dicilpline and also sensitive to unwarranted visitors,balancing that is very tough.They did it beautifully here.
So blaming leaders on one's own weakness and ignorance does no good
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A jubilee or a Didar is an occasion to show Generosity towards the "One Jamat", an expression used by the Imam of the Ismailis. However there is no "One Jamat". There is local jamat, there is outsiders jamat, there is international jamat etc.. all this divisions are made by some leaders, not by the Jamat or the Imam. It is understandable that only locals are given time for these religious work. However if there is a general Didar, why not let the travellers come in also?

About 500 people from outside the region will probably make the trip with desire to see the Imam either at airport or other venues. Do we have any president or Mukhi with the Generosity towards those "outsiders", will they mention their presence and ask Imam if they can attend?

Lets see if rules apply only to some or to all. President Talib is from Western Canada. Will he make a point to abstain from coming to Eastern Canada and ensure that his family and friends also do not attend in Eastern Canada? Doubtful... Will his kith and keen only attend one Didar? Doubtful. What about the family and friends of LIF people? tough question? The Jamat knows the answers from what happened in East Africa.

This said, this section is for information, please keep it this way and stop the controversies. No amount of controversies will be able to give a heart and a soul to those who are born without one and no amount of controversies will be able to remove the heart and soul of those who are born with one.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Admin: YA ALI MADAD.
Is the president of Canada the president of only western Canada or whole of Canada?
Mhi is coming to Canada.
As his position ,he should be there at all major events airport ,etc.
He may not be a likely a participant of an MHI activity strictly meant for regional jamat.
But MHI at times personally grant them to be in didar hall.
THERE ARE SOULS THAT ARE BLESSED TO NEAR ALI.
let ALI take a call on that ,who are we to protest and make noise about it.?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets keep the controversies out. Talib will have his Mahadan in Vancouver and his Mehmani also there and he may seek his BK also in Vancouver. We will be happy for him.

He can also arrange the same for his family and friends and the family and friends of the LIF people who flocked by the dozens inside the Didar Hall in East Africa while all of the other "under-rated" Ismailis where in the street..
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:52 am    Post subject: seeking Deedar & having deedar Reply with quote

Seeking and having Deedar is the ultimate, and foundational parts of "Prayers", and the Ismaili muslim faith , as is seeking, reading, understanding Famans, which include Ginans, and making them integral part of every murids daily life.

Red=grading this next Diamond Jubilee Deedar. This will be the fourth Diamond Jubilee religious visit (Deedar*), by Hazar Imam for all Ismaili murids, believers (pilgrims**), Two were in Uganda & Tanzania earlier this month. The first one was on 11 July 2017. That was also a Deedar where those there were representing the Jamats.

These epochal Diamond Jubilee, religious visits are when all Ismailis come together, in congregation, to pray for blessings, and to express their love , obedience, allegiances, homage, and devotion to their Imam. Imam will bless them, their families and give them his insights and guidances, which are foundational and for the collective benefit and good of all Ismailis globally (collectively called Farmans)

The First "Deedar" was on 11 July 2017. Leaders of the community made the following pledges to Imam Aga Khan at the Homage ceremony and prayers at the start of Diamond Jubilee

“ Representing all our Ismaili brothers and sisters we make the following solemn promises and pledges

1. Mawla we submit to you our unreserved spiritual allegiance
3. We pledge our absolute loyalty
4. We submit ourselves to you as our Imam, Pir and Mursheed to lead us on the path of Surat ul mustaqeem
5. We submit all our love devotion and dedication to you
6. We submit our allegiance to you as the bearer of true authority
7. We pledge our unreserved and unconditional support for all your endeavours
8. We pledge our total support in your work in the. Abuse of Islam, our faith, peace, compassion and human dignity
9. We submit our humble gratitude for your constant care, protection, guidance, and inspiration
10. We pray for the safety security good health and long life for all who are near and dear to you
11. We pray that we be blessed with your Imamat for ever more

Ya Mawla we pray you accept our humble pledges and submissions.
Amen

Mawla for those who may not know, is another name used for Imam of the time, as are many others, such as Sat Gur, Shah, Hazar Imam, Khudavand, Bapa, Yali Bapa, Pir, Sat Gur, Mawla, Sami, Noor Mawlana, Ya Shah, Ya Ali, Shahebul Zaman, Dhani Salamat Datar, Awal, Akhir, Zahir, Batin, Noorun Allah Noor. Hahul Kayum, Hai Zinda, & Kayam Paya, Rahman, Rahim. (In Quran there are 99 names of Allah).

* More info on Deedar & Deedar pilgrimage. More to follow. This is equivalent a Hajj pilgrimage for an Ismaili Muslim. http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/10290

** Pilgrim - A person/believer who goes to a religious place and or a religious person with the sole intention and act of religious prayers and devotion. In this case a Murid going to the “religious place”, where Hazar Imam - Aga Khan will come and be present to personally give “ exoteric” Deedar
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To mehmoobchatur:YA ALI MADAD
The basic desire is zahir didar and most desire is Baatin didar and ultimate desire is noorani didar of ALI
All three words have words have didar is common ,so zahir didar is 1/3 of didar achievement, why not each murid strive for baatin and noorani didar,for that all the controversis for entry,travel influence pavement standing,,etc etc will not emerge.
We are too much zahiri in our desire and school of thoughts.
The next two didar is available thru effort of your ownself ,that quantam is 24 hours of didar at will.
ours is Sufi,baatin tariqa of highest form of intellect.
If we are stuck in zahiri perception of our faith ,there will petty postings and clash of ignorance.
MAY ALI BLESS YOU WITH RUHANI ROSHNI.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOWLA TU AAIE TUJHEY DEKHU(N)
AOUR JAAN SE GUZAR JAAU(N)
ISS AAS PE ZINDA HAI TERA YE SHEDAI
UN KA TASSWUR HAI MAHFIL HO KE TANHAIE
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:16 am    Post subject: Meaning of deedar Reply with quote

Ya Ali Madad, My understanding is that Deedar is when Hazar Imam blesses you with the manifestation of spiritual enlightenment from the Noor of Hazar Imam. This is a blessing given, not our right to have or command.

You can "see" MHI physically many times, but that is not Deedar until you are blessed with deedar. If you are not that does mean you have failed. There is no failure. Your success is in your effort (BUK Farmans). Therefore you must continue to seek Deedar. That is what we pray for and seek every day in our daily prayers.

There is no difference in a “Deedar” when Hazar Imam blesses you with spiritual enlightenment, which is a manifestation from the Noor of Hazar Imam. Deedar can be a blessing in the presence of Hazar Imam at a Padramni, Mulakat, Darbar, or on the street etc.

Deedar can also be a blessing in the physical absence of Hazar Imam at any time, any where including especially in JK & during submission in Bayat ul Khayal.

My understanding is from reading of Farmans (including Bayat ul Khayal Farmans).

We must not mock anyone, and always be respectful and respect differences. That is also what MHI and Quran says we must.


Thank you for your understanding and that your basic desire is Zahiri Deedar which is 1/3rd, and then Batini Deedar 1/3rd, and then your ultimate desire is the ultimate 1/3rd which is Noorani Deedar.

nuseri wrote:
To mehmoobchatur:YA ALI MADAD
The basic desire is zahir didar and most desire is Baatin didar and ultimate desire is noorani didar of ALI
All three words have words have didar is common ,so zahir didar is 1/3 of didar achievement, why not each murid strive for baatin and noorani didar,for that all the controversis for entry,travel influence pavement standing,,etc etc will not emerge.
We are too much zahiri in our desire and school of thoughts.
The next two didar is available thru effort of your ownself ,that quantam is 24 hours of didar at will.
ours is Sufi,baatin tariqa of highest form of intellect.
If we are stuck in zahiri perception of our faith ,there will petty postings and clash of ignorance.
MAY ALI BLESS YOU WITH RUHANI ROSHNI.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:51 am    Post subject: Response to Nuseri Reply with quote

Nuseri is shrouded in a cocoon of ignorance and should remain there instead of venturing outside of it and making such highly judgmental and yet irrelevant statements.

I say irrelevant because the debate here centers around the celebration of our beloved Imam's Diamond Jubilee. Who would not want to be part of such a monumental occasion? Those who could, went - with a lot of hope and enthusiasm. But they were barred from participating in such a once-in-a-lifetime event. That was just plain cruelty, period.

That is the main focus of the debate: wanting to be a part of a historic occasion.

Even those who practice Baitul Khayal regularly and are advanced in their search would not wish to miss out on such an occasion. Therefore this renders Nuseri's argument as totally irrelevant.

Also, kindly stop using degrading words such as "globetrotters". These are murids of the Imam. They love Him and they go to see Him whenever and wherever they can incurring great financial expense as well as enduring physical duress, not forgetting the vitriol of our leaders and their squad of security henchmen. I would feel they should be admired and respected, not scorned, ridiculed and belittled.

It is the love for the Imam that pulls them just as a moth is drawn to a flame. Nobody has the right to judge them. When a murid sees his or her Imam physically nobody can actually know what is transpiring between that murid and the Imam. And so, people like Nuseri should just retreat into their cocoons of ignorance and stay there.

Love for the Imam has infinite expressions and seeking a physical glimpse of the Imam, seeking to participate in His occasions of happiness, cheering Him on and supporting His projects, are as important as obeying His farmans and seeking and searching for His true spiritual identity through Baitul Khayal.

I dare anyone to contradict this statement.

Ek Radha, Ek Meera
Dono ne Shyam ko chaaha,
Antar kya dono ki chaah mein bolo
Ek prem deewani ek daras deewani
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Among the Ismailis, there are also some followers of the Imam.

If a follower can not follow his Imam, who do you want him to follow? The Wizard of Oz? Are we Murids of the Wizard of Oz or of the Imam?

This is a special year, it is a year of Generosity. So far the question remains: Is this really a year of Generosity for all the Ismailis?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AS RECEIVED

Write-up on Jubilee Didar

http://ismaili.net/source/didar-meaning.pdf


The article is about these thems:

Significance of Deedars,
Deedar and Darbar.
Mulakat.
Padhramni
Darshan

Why all murids should be allowed and encouraged to come to Deedars

Why meeting and seeing Hazar Imam at anytime is a Deedar and a significant religious moment
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin wrote:
AS RECEIVED

Write-up on Jubilee Didar

http://ismaili.net/source/didar-meaning.pdf


The article is about these thems:

Significance of Deedars,
Deedar and Darbar.
Mulakat.
Padhramni
Darshan

Why all murids should be allowed and encouraged to come to Deedars

Why meeting and seeing Hazar Imam at anytime is a Deedar and a significant religious moment



Another Article

The word Didar (beatific vision) comes from the Persian word didan, “to see”. Didar means “vision”, “sight”, or “glimpse”. The word Mulaqat comes from the Arabic word liqa – which means “face to face meeting”. The word liqa appears throughout the Qur’an, referring to the “Day of Meeting” (Qur'an 9:77, 84:6, 29:5, 6:154, 18:110, 32:14, 41:54, 30:icon_cool.gif that takes place when human beings will have the direct vision of God on the Day of Judgment. The Qur’an also says that a preview or foretaste of the Meeting (liqa) with God takes place in the physical world when human beings behold the Signs of the Day of Meeting (Qur'an 13:2, 39:71, 10:7, 6:130). In this respect, the Imam is the living Sign of God and the murid’s vision of the Imam – called Liqa or Didar – is a foretaste and preview of human soul’s eschatological vision (liqa, didar) of God to take place in the hereafter.
One kind of Didar of the Imam is to see the Imam physically – this is called Zahiri Didar. The second kind of Didar of the Imam involves seeing the Imam’s Soul and Light (nur) spiritually with the eyes of the heart – this is called Batini Didar. The centrality of the Didar of the Imam in Ismaili Islam is due to the fact that the seeker of truth can attain to the inner recognition (ma‘rifah) of God through the ma‘rifah and Didar of the Imam:
“Seekers of union must thus heed the Imam’s words to attain their ultimate goal and must completely submit themselves to his will. The Imam is the only source through whom God can be recognized. It is therefore the highest goal of human existence to attain his beatific vision…The ultimate aim and aspiration of the believers was explicitly to recognize the divine through the beatific vision (didar) of the Imam of their time.”
– Shafique N. Virani, (The Ismailis in the Middle Ages, 182)
Whenever Mawlana Hazar Imam meets with the Ismaili Jamat in a Tariqah setting and designates this as a Didar, then this gathering is a Mulaqat (face to face meeting) and a Zahiri Didar (Exoteric Vision). There are also occasions where the Mulaqat includes non-Ismaili Muslims and people of other faiths – such as in Syria and Tajikistan – in which case the occasion is still a Zahiri Didar for the Ismailis. Thus, a Mulaqat is any gathering – designated as such by the Imam – where the Zahiri Didar of the Imam takes place.
Sometimes, on special occasions, Mawlana Hazar Imam ordains and declares that a Mulaqat of the Zahiri Didar will be a Darbar. Darbar is the Persian word for the Court of a King, referring to the chamber in which the King’s guests gather to have an audience with him. In contemporary times, when Mawlana Hazar Imam declares that a particular Mulaqat will be a Darbar, it means that the Mulaqat is an occasion of special happiness and special celebration. On several occasions such as his 1994 Darbar in London and his 1998 Darbar in Lisbon, Mawlana Hazar Imam explained that he was ordaining that the gathering be a Darbar because of a special occasion – such as the announcement about the Ismaili Centre in Lisbon. Throughout the Golden Jubilee Year, almost every Mulaqat of the Imam with the Imam was declared as a Golden Jubilee Darbar. During the Golden Jubilee Darbars, Mawlana Hazar Imam was in a very jovial mood and often cracked multiple jokes in his Farmans to cheers of applause and laughter from the Jamat.
“Sometimes Jamat in the past months has said to me, Hazar Imam, why do you make these jokes? And I said why shouldn't I make jokes? Darbar is a moment of happiness and I remind them that, in Islam, happiness is a blessing. It is a blessing from Allah. Therefore, if you have smiles, and if you have happy children, and you have friends, and you enjoy the qualities of life, this is also a reason to be thankful for the blessing from Allah.”
– Imam Shah Karim al-Husayni Aga Khan (Institutional Dinner, Syria, August 2008)
Even the Imam’s delivery of jokes is spiritually significant in the context of his Darbar; jokes provoke laughter and laughter is form of happiness that is particular to the human intellect. Thus, the Imam’s cracking jokes and making the Jamat laugh is one of the ways that the Imam performs his role of awakening and actualizing the intellects of his murids. Thus Nasir-i Khusraw once explained that:
“Joy is the substance of intellect.Furthermore, out of all the animals only man, who possesses a rational soul, partakes of laughter. The philosopher-sages have posited one definition of 'man' as 'living-laughing', and laughing is a manifestation of happiness. This particular human trait of laughter stands as proof that ultimate bliss is proper to the intellect.”
– Nasir-i Khusraw, (Between Reason and Revelation, 112-13)
Every Darbar is a Mulaqat and a Didar; but not every Mulaqat and Didar is a Darbar. One key difference between a normal Mulaqat and a Darbar is that the Imam wears his traditional robe ( jabbo) and astrakhan cap inside the Darbar. Meanwhile, in non-Darbar Mulaqats, the Imam tends to wear his suit and wears another kind of robe on top of it.
The Ismaili Imams have been granting Darbars to their murids at least since the period of Imam Hasan ‘Ali Shah Aga Khan I:
“Agha Khan I attended the jama‘at-khana in Bombay on special religious occasions, and led the public prayers of the Khojas there. Every Saturday, when in Bombay, he held durbar (Persian, darbar), giving audience to his followers who received his blessings.”
– Farhad Daftary, (The Ismailis: Their History and Doctrines, 2nd Edition, 474)
In a certain respect, the Fatimid Court and other places where the Ismaili Fatimid Imam-Caliph gave audiences to his subjects could be called a Darbar. In this setting, the Imam sat or rode out in the front and centre of the area; important Fatimid dignitaries would salute the Imam with a special greeting and pay homage to him; Qur’anic verses and other oaths of loyalty were presented before him. The Imam was dressed in a special turban and robes, accompanied by a parasol bearer and other dignitaries. Sometimes the Imam would also grant special robes of honour to certain officers for their services. For example, one source describes how the Fatimid Imam-Caliph al-Zahir “rode in procession with is troops, wearing a “round” robe of dabiqi linen with gold threads and a matching turban, seated under a parasol with gold threads” (Sanders, Ritual, Politics, and the City in Fatimid Cairo, 64).

(credit Ismaii Gnosis)
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NOVEMBER 11, 2017

UPDATE#4: FORTHCOMING VISIT BY MAWLANA HAZAR IMAM TO ISMAILIS IN EASTERN CANADA – MONTREAL’S HIGHLY ORGANIZED REGISTRATION PROCESS THROUGH MY LENS

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As received...

Mulaqat in Toronto
Sharing as rec'd,fyi::

Mubarakis to all who attended the first deedar this morning.(Friday November 17,2017)(AM)
Account from the person in the deedar....
The volunteers did the most fantastic job.
Everyone was comfortably seated.
The Jamat was extremely well behaved
The hall was really nice
Total time HI spent was approx. 40 minutes
Made a short firman about importance of education
How blessed the Canadian Jamat is in terms of having great education and knowledge
Should and must share that knowledge to help the global Jamat
Canadians are well placed to help the Jamat in different parts of the world
Keep your tasbis with you at ALL times and spend whatever few mins of the time you have to take the names of Imams, prophet
Upon leaving HI would not close the door of the car, so the president called the HQ MKs and HI talked to them for a while and when they came back to the hall, they said that HI gave special dua Ashish to all the volunteers for a wonderful arrangement.

Shukhar Alhamduliallah
Lots of Mubarakis to all Canadian Jamats
Mawla had always had great expectations from the Jamat. He even expressed it the very first time He came to Canada and said that He will look to the Canadian Jamat to help and assist the global Jamat.
Time to fulfill Mawla's wishes.
Ameen

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Sent by someone : YAM, mowla bapa was extremely happy. He blessed our volunteers for their work and appreciated all their efforts. He said the young should enjoy their lives and the wise should share their wisdom. He said at least 3 times that we should share our knowledge with the jamats around the world because we are one jamat. We should extend our brotherhood. He kept saying that if we go back to those countries then he will be 'very very very very' happy. He said he was very happy this afternoon then he paused and said 'wait no morning' then he checked his watch and laughed and said 'yes morning' he went to sit down then the mukhisaheb said something to him and he got up again and joked, he said 'my mukhis have to always remind me what to say if i forget something' he gave us blessings again. He went to sit the third time and was almost about to sit when mukhi told him something again and he laughed and went to the mike and laughed he said 'mukhi said it's time for me to leave' he gave us blessings again and left. The entire jamat was laughing and was so happy.

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Well it was an epiphanic Didar experience!! More later!!

The intezaar program was excellent and Alwaez Karim Gulamali was the MC for all the Quranic recitations, ginans, qasidas Zikr tasbihs and he delivered most or all of the short waezes himself. I thought he was outstanding and now have a newfound respect and admiration for him. One point that sticks out in my mind is that this was not a Darbar, where Hazar Imam does the inviting to celebrate and be happy; this was a Mehmani where we issued the invite: we invited him into our own homes! I thought that was brilliant!! And then he said everything flows from our personal invite to the Imam to enter our homes through the front door and asked us to think about what would like him to do for us. That set the tone for the Mulaqat and all the recitations reflected what we wanted, needed and wanted to receive from him by his grace. I’m just going to free-associate and say whatever comes into my mind that impacted me. The entire congregation shed tears as the video of his Audi sports car coupe(4-door) came into the building and stopped on the red carpet. Mowla’s Canadian security agent got out of the front door, opened up Mowla’s rear door and offered him a helping hand to exit the vehicle.

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When you see old men and women nearing the end of their lives start crying unashamedly you know you are in the presence of indescribable Greatness!!!!

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More testimonies and description:

As received:

am: Mubaraki to you all on Hazir Imam’s mulaqat and jamati work in Eastern Canada.

Yasmin and I had coat check duty at Metro Toronto Convention Centre today and were not supposed to be partake to the jamati mulaqat. Our mulaqat (Scarborough jk) is scheduled tomorrow morning.

Volunteers from jk’s scheduled for mulaqat today went in at 8:30 and we continued to fill in for them in coat check (as planned). At 10:30 after reciting zikr tasbih with the volunteers outside the mulaqat hall, we were suddenly called to go to the mulaqat hall where they momentarily opened the doors for us to join the rest of the jamat for deedar. We had an amazing surprise deedar. Hazir Imam looked very worried, was serious, no jokes and made a very strong firman.

Some points he touched on include:
• Special prayers for ruhani members
• Prayers for peace in the world
• Referred to use of “best practices” a number of times
• Reiterated that our body is not everliving, but the soul is and we should pray for the soul
• Using your tasbih, remember Allah, Prophet Mohammed, Hazrat Ali whenever you can and not just during regular prayers
• Would like to see our youngsters be educated and use their knowledge help with his Jubilee year objective to eradicate poverty
• Canada is a resourceful country and we should be prepared to help other less fortunate people in the world with our abundance in resources, material and knowledge
• We received duashish for good health, happiness, remaining on the path siratal mustaqim, remaining strong on faith, prosperity
• Hazir Imam acknowledged that there were 7 nationalities represented today and asked that they take today's messages back to their jamats

Mubaraki to you again and inshallah Mowlana Hazir Imam will schedule similar visits to Western Canada early in 2018. Ameen.

________


At the airport (Ottawa) today mk were there to see him off. He asked kamadia how are you kamadianimaa how are you convey my blessings to the Jamat and your family. Mukhianimaa khudha hafeez

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2017-11-18, 6:47:16 PM: N. K: Hey fam. We just got back from the mulaqat. What a wonderful event. 1) the volunteers did a phenomenal job. It was so well organized. From the second we got into the metro centre downtown everything was seamless. 2) The hall was perfect size, everyone was respectful and disciplined, and you could feel the power of the salwats when recited together. It was spiritual to be in there as one Jamat. 3. The intezar program went from 3:00 to 5:30. HH arrived by car at around 5:35 and entered the hall by 5:40. Sabs, Natasha, Faisal and I sat centre back and as he came in he walked right by, which was cool. He didn't stop smiling and acknowledging the Jamat as he walked the hall. 4. He sat down, and three separate ginans / prayers were recited by three groups, then MKs from each of the Jamats offered the mehmani. Then HH stood to say a firman which lasted 20 minutes. It was different type of emotion.. pure bliss and appreciation of the moment. You could just feel it.. We did. Key takeaways: 1) he emphasized "peace" for his Jamat globally as his primary goal. 2) he talked about happiness and that nothing makes him happier than to see his Jamat smile. He did not once stop smiling. 3) he talked to the youth specifically. And this really stuck with me and forever will. Told us that we are highly educated but to continue educating. He then said something that was resonating: "the world is competitive. Very competitive." That things are changing and we need to "stay ahead of the curve. That's what they call it in this part of the world. Ahead of the curve. (With laughter).You must stay ahead and continue educating".. then he said an incredible statement: "I want to you to win. That's what I want from my you, to win". 4) he then talked about volunteering and that with everything we have, our capabilities and knowledge, that he wants to see us apply it in other areas where Jamat live where they are struggling in their civil societies. That is what he very much wants from us. He wants us to spend time abroad and teach others elsewhere and that is the responsibility we now have 5) he talked about collaborating within the community and working together instead of separately. 6) he mentioned strengthening the institutions globally and that with the right infrastructure, institutions, education, and collaboration that we can bring peace. Again, he talked about peace non stop. 7 ) he then finished the firman with a heartfelt prayer. Talked about families, accentuated the prayer to our families, that he "wishes for nothing but happiness, baraqat, good health, more happiness, and peace, lots of peace". He then sat down, came back again and gave one more prayer for families and jokes. Went back, to the chair and came back with laughter and said "the mukhi just asked a (can't remember the word) question, "is this your last mulaqat"? With laughter from everyone. "There will never be a last mulaqat. I am always with you.". Kanavadan. And then walked out. Smiling.
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2017-11-18, 9:44:10 PM: D. T. : Dear Family
First of all lots of Mubarakis to you all for the most wonderful Deedar we had this morning. Mawla was extremely happy and in a very humorous mood. I understand that this morning was the largest gathering of this visit - they announced it at 10K. We had volunteer duties and got there at 4:50am this morning. After registering in with volunteer check-in and done light refreshments we were posted for our duties. I had duty inside the Mulaqqat hall and they opened the doors at 6:40am. The Jamat entered the hall in an orderly & disciplined manner. The crowd was relatively small to start off & people trickled in at a very manageable & steady pace and by 9:45am the hall was full & practically everyone had arrived. The program started with pre-intezaar program at 8:00am till about 9:15, when the intezaar program started. The intezaar program had much more intensity, both in the selection of items recited and the caliber of the reciters.

Mawla arrived at about 10:30am & as the motorcade was pulling in the Salwaat recitation commenced. Mawla’s car drove right up to where the red carpet started. Mawla greeted a few people at the entrance and Scarborough Jamati MKs received Him & He walked straight into the hall, with the MKs following behind. He walked on the centre runner up to almost half way & then turned to his left & then right up the left side runner, then turned right again towards the centre runner. He turned left on to centre runner and walked all the way up to the stage. He invited MKs to come up & sit besides His chair. Mukhi then put the chain on Mawla, whilst Kamadia held the tray. Following that, the recitations commenced with Tilawat-e-Quran & meaning, Ginan, Qasida

2017-11-18, 10:18:45 PM: Diamond Tharani: Continuation:
Followed by Zikr tasbih. Then followed presentation of mehmanis by MKs for each Jamatkhana.
Mawla then got up to address the gathering with His Firman. His Duashish was for the murids present there & their families, wherever they may be living in the world. So Mubarakis to you all as He particularly addressed His blessings to all of us.
He was in an extremely humorous mood and started by making the Jamat laugh a loud. He started by saying ‘This afternoon..’ & then corrected by saying ‘I think it is morning’ & lifted his wrist to look at His watch & said ‘let me check that it is still morning .. yes it is morning’ He laughed loudly and the Jamat laughed loudly with Him. He then proceeded with the Firman & the message was that the Canadian Jamat is fortunate that Canada strongly upholds the principles of plurality & urged the Jamat to spread the understanding of pluralism to other parts of the world, particularly where pluralism is absent. He said that the Canadian Jamat should share their knowledge with the rest of the world. He mentioned that the Canadian Jamat is made up murids originating from 7 different countries & as such they must help their brothers & sisters in other parts of the world. He talked about the concept of global brotherhood and that we should help our Jamats all over the world until no murid is left desperate & in difficulties. He, as always, commended the volunteers for the wonderful arrangements & give His duashish. In His duas to the Jamat He, amongst the usual duas, He said I give blessings to students to be successful in their education, I give blessings to the young to enjoy life & blessings to the wise to share their wisdom & we have many, many wise men & women in our Jamat - share your wisdom.

When Mawla went back to His chair, Mukhisaheb said something to Him & He came back to the mic & said - My Mukhi/Kamadias always remind me when I forget something & then proceeded to give duashish for individual mehmanis. Once again when he was about to sit on His chair He had conversation with Mukhisaheb & came back on the mic & said My Mukhi/Kamadias have said I am free to go if I want to. He blessed us all again & then proceeded to walk out & this time he walked down the middle & turned towards the runner on the other sides& walked there, stopping at murids who were on hospital beds. Once He left, Mukhi/Kamadia came back with special message of blessings for the Jamat.

Mawla was with us for about 45 minutes, which felt like less than 5 minutes.
Once again Mubarakis to all of you. You all were in our hearts, thoughts & prayers & when He mentioned your families wherever in the world they may be living, we all felt that He included you all in His duashish.
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UPDATE #6: AFTER A MEMORABLE 4-DAY ENCOUNTER OF THE ONTARIO ISMAILIS WITH MAWLANA HAZAR IMAM, 12,000 OTHER STRONG SOULS AWAIT CHANCE IN MONTREAL TO SHOW THEIR LOVE FOR 49TH IMAM

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Over the past 48 hours hours, my spirit and intensity for the event tomorrow has grown considerably more. I have received text messages and emails describing the joyful didars in Toronto. In Montreal, like in Toronto, the 12,000 strong contingency of Ismailis will be bursting with emotion as they recite the Salwaats, and experience Hazar Imam’s love and Noor reign over their hearts. A very dear friend in Toronto wrote to me: “It was very special; everyone is very happy and feeling blessed, it has been amazing; it has been amazing because of the superb organization and also the Jamat was very disciplined!”

Another family friend of Portuguese origin wrote to me about the Toronto didar that she attended as follows: “You were in our thoughts and prayers. You were remembered individually and (we) submitted prayers for all deceased members, your families and relatives, the world Jamat as well as the entire humanity!”

The Ontario jamat’s discipline; the jamat’s active participation in the intezari program and the high standard of recitations, the work of the leadership and volunteers have all contributed to making the Ontario visit spectacular. There are other anecdotes that describe the intense interaction of the Jamat with the Imam as he walked around to shower his Noorani rain and blessings on the jamat.

More...
barakah.com/2017/11/20/update-6-after-a-memorable-4-day-encounter-of-the-ontario-ismailis-with-mawlana-hazar-imam-12000-other-strong-souls-await-chance-in-montreal-to-show-their-love-for-49th-imam/

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An open letter to all Ismaili brothers and sisters of Ontario who had a mulaqat with Mawlana Hazar Imam in Toronto; your stories and example have inspired us and we will think of you in Montreal

simerg.com/2017/11/20/an-open-letter-to-all-ismaili-brothers-and-sisters-of-ontario-who-had-a-mulaqat-with-mawlana-hazar-imam-in-toronto-your-stories-have-inspired-us-and-we-will-think-of-you-in-montreal/
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More testimonies describing Murids' experience during the Eastern Canada visit.


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11/21/2017.
Montreal PM Deedar.

At about 6:10 PM, Mawlana Hazar Imam entered the Deedar Hall, three hours after we had entered, settled, and sat in Intezaar.
His face shining with Noor, he entered from the back of the room, went towards the right side of hall, contoured his way around to the front, and finally sat down. In the meantime the Jamat was reciting Salwat in such unity never seen before. He finally sat down, and the Salwat came to an end.

After the traditional recitation of Tilawat, Qasida, and Ginan, Mukhi Saheb along with Kamadia Saheb garlanded Hazar Imam with a beaded bracelet, representing the infinite rope of Imamat.

Turn by turn, different Mukhi Sahebs, Kamadia Sahebs, Mukhiani Sahebas, and Kamadiani Sahebas presented Hazar Imam with the Jamati Mehmani. Amongst those MK’s were our very own Campus Mukhida and Kamadianis, who got a back in the back from Mawla at the holding of the Mehmani plate.

Hazar Imam then rose up to address His spiritual children. He started his Firman by greeting the Jamat, and specially greeting the Jamats’ family, whether they’re in Canada or anywhere around the world. He insisted to spreading his special greetings and blessings to his family as soon as possible.

He then continued to talk about his Jubilee Year Initiative: Reducing poverty within the Jamat Worldwide. He shared his goal plan, and also mentioned it’s not just a one-year project which will end as the Jubilee year will come to a term, but rather a task that will continue well beyond the momentous year.

He ended his Firman by appreciating, thanking, and specially blessing the volunteers who made this Mulaqat possible.

He then proceeded to take a seat, to return just a few seconds later after having a brief conversation with the Ottawa Mukhi Saheb. He joked: “You see, the Mukhi Kamadias have the notes, while I don’t” and came back to reflect upon the Jamat’s laughter. He emphasized on the Jamat staying happy, and smiling, as nothing makes him happier than to see His spiritual children smile. And once again blessed the volunteers, and then the whole Jamat.

He then went to regain his seat again, to come back up again, for the third time, after taking to Mukhi Saheb again. This time again joking, about getting Ottawa HQ Mukhi Saheb’s permission to leave, which he shall follow.

As He descended his flight of stairs, the Jamat erupted in Salwat. He then juggled on the spot to choose what direction to leave through. He chose the opposite direction from which he came in, gracing the other side of the room with his closer presence. Shukhar, I happened to be sitting in that particular side of the room, on the edge of the red carpet, closer the exit. As he walked closer to the exit, the Salwat got louder and louder, and made sure, to make eye contact with each and every person sitting around him, leaving his Jamat in a puddle of tears. Alhamdulillah I happened to be one of those Murids to make eye contact with him, which got my already red eyes bust out even louder into tears of joy I’ve never cried before.

Shukhar Mawla for such a memorable experience, and may he Grant a visit to as many countries as possible during this milestone year. Ameen.

Rahim Nadir Amlani.

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Yam: Mubaraki to you all on Hazir Imam’s mulaqat and jamati work in Eastern Canada.

Yasmin and I had coat check duty at Metro Toronto Convention Centre today and were not supposed to be partake to the jamati mulaqat. Our mulaqat (Scarborough jk) is scheduled tomorrow morning.

Volunteers from jk’s scheduled for mulaqat today went in at 8:30 and we continued to fill in for them in coat check (as planned). At 10:30 after reciting zikr tasbih with the volunteers outside the mulaqat hall, we were suddenly called to go to the mulaqat hall where they momentarily opened the doors for us to join the rest of the jamat for deedar. We had an amazing surprise deedar. Hazir Imam looked very worried, was serious, no jokes and made a very strong firman.

Some points he touched on include:
• Special prayers for ruhani members
• Prayers for peace in the world
• Referred to use of “best practices” a number of times
• Reiterated that our body is not everliving, but the soul is and we should pray for the soul
• Using your tasbih, remember Allah, Prophet Mohammed, Hazrat Ali whenever you can and not just during regular prayers
• Would like to see our youngsters be educated and use their knowledge help with his Jubilee year objective to eradicate poverty
• Canada is a resourceful country and we should be prepared to help other less fortunate people in the world with our abundance in resources, material and knowledge
• We received duashish for good health, happiness, remaining on the path siratal mustaqim, remaining strong on faith, prosperity
• Hazir Imam acknowledged that there were 7 nationalities represented today and asked that they take today's messages back to their jamats

Mubaraki to you again and inshallah Mowlana Hazir Imam will schedule similar visits to Western Canada early in 2018. Ameen.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Message from LIF chairman Eboo....

To all the registration team members from Mowla.

LIF chairman Mohamed Eboo was in town on Monday and upon request, provided the following message to the registration team:

"Mowla was very happy with the visit. Things went smoothly and it all starts with Registration. Don't be surprised if you get a call to share your best practices with the global jamat, and then ended with Prayers for Barakah!" Mubaraki.

I am also sending this email to express my tremendous gratitude to you and your entire teams. You were called upon with short notices and you stepped up to the challenge. Through your leadership, you and your teams have shown compassion, professionalism & "class". The number of compliments I have received from both the Jamat & leadership has been heart-warming. It has been an absolute pleasure working with leads & teams that are dedicated & committed and have the best interest of the Jamat at heart, teams that worked tirelessly with patience & tolerance throughout all offsite locations. We were dealing with matters of Jamat's spirituality and you left no stone unturned in registering Murids thereby assisting with their spiritual journey and ensuring they all made it to ICT.

I salute you all. Thank-you from the bottom of my heart. May Mawla grant you, your teams & all your families 1000-fold Barakah for this unique seva. Ameen.

Please feel free to forward this email to your teams & families.
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Testimony of Farez, a Murid who is legally blind but came from Kenya with his special equipment (medical binoculars) to have a glimpse of Hazar Imam somewhere during the recent Canada Visit. His happiness for the Canada Jamat and much more. The testimony of Farez also contain clips of Mowlana Hazar Imam at the hotel. A Must see.

How much inconsiderate people have been with him, even in public places. Incredible in a year of Diamond Jubilee which is supposed to be a year of generosity and care. Lets pray that Farez has a better treatment next time he comes to Canada and that he does not think that all Ismailis of Canada are the same.

Here is a Video of his testimony:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11nDVj81j042UANRqTcZKbW9tsewh_AHm
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin wrote:
Testimony of Farez, a Murid who is legally blind but came from Kenya with his special equipment (medical binoculars) to have a glimpse of Hazar Imam somewhere during the recent Canada Visit. His happiness for the Canada Jamat and much more. The testimony of Farez also contain clips of Mowlana Hazar Imam at the hotel. A Must see.

How much inconsiderate people have been with him, even in public places. Incredible in a year of Diamond Jubilee which is supposed to be a year of generosity and care. Lets pray that Farez has a better treatment next time he comes to Canada and that he does not think that all Ismailis of Canada are the same.

Here is a Video of his testimony:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11nDVj81j042UANRqTcZKbW9tsewh
_AHm


I have written to the Council President and LIF regarding this matter

"REMINDER 1

On 25 Nov 2017, at 08:09, Mahebub Chatur <mahebub.chatur@me.com> wrote:
Dear Liaquat & Mukhi Faruk, (UK President & Dar Khanna Mukhi Saheb)

I attach a “shocking” video testimony & proof by Farez, who is handicapped. He is declared blind, and can see very little & only with a medical aid.

Link to Video;

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=61105#61105


I formally request you to discuss this with LIF, M Talib & M Eboo. I also request them to apologise unreservedly for their behaviour and for hurting this, and others Murids there. This is reprehensible & most shameful. I am happy to arrange a conference call.

And LIF must not to treat visiting Murids at future Deedars, as they have in Canada ( & in Uganda, & Tanzania).

The next Deedar is in Pakistan in about a week. Please pass a copy to the Council in Pakistan too & Mukhi Sahebans)

If there is no acknowledgement and or an apology, I will write also to Hazar Imam.

I look forward to your response (& to earlier requests & concerns)

Mahebub Chatur

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Blunder-filled Canada Reply with quote

Mubaraki to the entire jamat of Pakistan! At last, the Sun is set to shine over this land and I am sure there is rejoicement and utsah in the entire country.

It is my sincerest prayer that beloved Mawlana Hazar Imam be shown the greatest humility, devotion, and respect, especially by the Mukhi Kamadia Sahebs during the forthcoming Mulaqats. Please note the word ‘humility’. It is very wrong to remind the Imam about anything at all and it is even worse to ask the Imam inane questions. The Imam is All-Knowing; the Lord of the Universe. How can any of us have the temerity to feel the Imam has forgotten to say something and how can we be crass enough to ask the Imam any questions?

I was shocked and disappointed whilst reading testimonies of the mulaqats in Toronto. How could any Mukhisaheb tell Imam that He has forgotten to give blessings for Ruhani or to volunteers or any other such reminders? How awful is this! This shows Mukhisaheb has no clue about who the Imam is. And such remarks to the Imam are high forms of disrespect, which, I’m sure, greatly sadden our Imam. He may, out of His vast Munificence, treat such remarks lightheartedly but that does not retract from the fact that they are disrespectful.

Similarly, how could the Mukhisaheb of Don Mills Jamatkhana ask the Imam a question like “is this your last Mulaqat?”

This was very insulting, a very crass allusion to the Imam’s age, at the very least, and an insult to the principles of Jamat ke Hai Zinda and Ulil Amr Minkum, if we are to think deeper. Had this Mukhisaheb completely taken leave of his senses?? Or is he arrogant enough to think that he can crack jokes with the Imam? The Imam and himself are of the same level? This was a real dark moment and I urge all the Mukhi Kamadia Sahebs of the Pakistan jamat to make sure there is no recurrence of such mistakes during their forthcoming Mulaqats. No reminders of any kind to the Imam, please. If the Imam is benevolent enough to ask Mukhi Saheb if there is anything else, Mukhi Saheb can ask beloved Imam for more duas and ashish and can request Imam to please stay longer and not to go and to give more hidayat. That would be appropriate.

I was stunned to read one of Hazar Imam’s comments in Toronto when He said Mukhi Saheb tells me I can leave now. Goodness!! How can any of us ever even intimate to the Imam that He can leave now, let alone tell Him point blank to go.

Truly Canadians have totally lost it! And their sojourn in the first world has taken this ugly form in which they feel they are at the same level as Imam-e-Zamaan, to the extent that they can give the Imam reminders, ask Him very inappropriate questions and actually tell Him He can leave. Terrible, disgusting, shameful mistakes which must never ever be repeated again!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:35 am    Post subject: #CanadaVisit #OneJamat Reply with quote

#CanadaVisit#OneJamat

What does Canada think by using the above hashtags as their tag line for the recent padhramni?

#OneJamat from where?

In 2011, during their Mulaqats for Jamati Work, Uganda, Tanzania and Kenya included an International Darbaar which were attended by the global jamat, including large numbers of Canadian Ismailis. Mowlana Hazar Imam was so happy about these international Darbaars. He even had new robes designed which He proudly wore during those Darbaars.

In 2017, not a single murid from outside Eastern Canada was allowed to attend but what is painful is that not a single Canadian Ismaili murid stood up and asked or questioned the leaders as to why an International Darbaar was not being included as part of these Mulaqats. Not one Canadian Ismaili stood up and fought for their global brothers and sisters.

So #OneJamat from where? And how?

Even the few murids (less than 20) who came from outside Eastern Canada to catch glimpses of the Imam at His hotel were treated so badly by leaders and Ismaili volunteers alike! The testimony of the handicapped Farez Kanji speaks volumes.

So #OneJamat from where? And how?

The leaders have ensured that our jamat is now completely divided into jurisdictions. And displaying such hashtags for the recent Mulaqats in Toronto and Montreal is nothing but a mockery.

Mowlana Hazar Imam made the Montreal and Ottawa Jamats promise to convey His blessings to the Jamat that “was not there”. How marvelously benevolent our Mowla is!

The leaders and the jamats on the other hand have been extremely selfish. So do away with this misnomer of a hashtag tagline since we cannot exemplify it!!

#NotOneJamat
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There are many things that makes the Imam happy and I hope Pakistan Jamat will care about those. I have listed few of them:

Anything you can do to break the "corporate" type didar

Garland of flowers

Kids with rose petals when Hazar Imam walk towards his Takhat, many time we have heard in Didar tapes that Imam makes Farmans about the kids (For example Didar in Edmonton in 1992)

Mukhi giving a list of prayers from the Jamat to the Imam, The Imam always accept request from the Mukhi Kamadias. Imam comes to give with open heart, he wants to give. But is the Jamat ready to take?

Decoration of the Didar Hall and of Jamatkhanas

Cutting cake with the Jamat

Open your heart and open your doors to international Jamat.

Do not forget, Imam is a Spiritual entity and your love is much more important than all the rules and regulations and bureaucracy. Do everything possible to please the Imam, forget about pleasing people of this world

Remember a Happy Jamat makes a happy Imam. And a Happy Imam gives millions of Barakat to his Jamat.
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2017, December 8 at the arrival of the Imam. This kids' name is Asmat Plano, he is the son of the Jamatbhai in Islamabad. Mowlana Hazar Imam talked to him in Islamabad, and here is how he describes his encounter with the Imam of the Time

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Correspondance from the Heritage Team in Karachi

Karachi 6th December 2017

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This is a testimony from 2003 Didar, we do not know who is circulating it with a recent date. The date was December 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sent as received : Family members experiences from didar in Yasin Ghizer Pakistan is so heart touching.

1. Imam arrived early than the scheduled time.

2. MHI was so Happy that stood up 3 times and blessed with so much prayers.

3. Spirituality was in peak even the Army security on duty were not able to raised their heads infront of Imam. Even heard that a person jumped in foots of Hazir Imam.

4. The themes of farman were ethics of Islam, brotherhood and good relations with other communities, importance of ECD, avoid usage of drugs.

5. At last MHI has made a light joke that i don't want to go but mukhi gave me permission to leave.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DECEMBER 13, 2017
His HIghness The Aga Khan in pakistan: Zahiri-u-Noorani Didar - A Personnal reflection of the darbar in Hunza
By Faqir Ullah Khan-Ghulam Qadir
(Special contribution for Barakah)


First of all, I wish to greet my Ismaili brothers and sisters around the world mubaraki on the auspicious occasion of the magnificent Diamond Jubilee Darbar held in Aliabad, Hunza, on Sunday, December 10th, 2017. I was present at the Darbar and I am delighted to share with you my experiences at the Darbar, and I hope my friends who were present at the gathering will submit their feedback to expand on my piece. I humbly ask them and many others who were present at the Aliabad and Yasin Darbars in Gilgit-Baltistan as well as at the two Chitral Darbars in Booni and Garam Chashma to share their wonderful and inspiring accounts.

Photos and more at:

barakah.com/2017/12/13/his-highness-the-aga-khan-in-pakistan-zahiri-u-noorani-didar-a-personal-reflection-of-the-darbar-in-hunza/
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