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Is this a ginan?

 
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Arusa.M



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Is this a ginan? Reply with quote

I have an audio recording of a ginan, but I do not know the name of it. Does anyone know? I attached the link of the audio.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-uCGjqPMru_SWI3WFNkU2dUMmc/view?usp=drivesdk
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shivaathervedi



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Which ginan is this? Reply with quote

Arusa.M wrote:
I have an audio recording of a ginan, but I do not know the name of it. Does anyone know? I attached the link of the audio.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-uCGjqPMru_SWI3WFNkU2dUMmc/view?usp=drivesdk



This is not a ginan. Can't find in the collection of Pir Sadardin's Ginans. None of Pir Sadardin's Ginan starts with Tasbih of reciting Ya Ali- Ya Muhammad in starting. The reciter has used few lines of Pir Sadadin's following ginan, and lines from other different ginans. Raga is also not matching with the recitation of Ginan mentioned.

1- AWWAL TU(N)HI AAKHIR TU(N)HI
TU(N) HI TU(N) SIRJHANHAAR EEY BI

2- JAAHIR TU(N)HI BATIN TU(N)HI
TU(N)HI TU(N) SAHEB MERA EEY BI

We can call this recitation a Bhajan, Geet, Madah. Also he has used our famous girayahzari in this bhajan which Pir Sadardin has not used in his Ginans.

YA ALI ADRIKNI YA ALI AGSINI
HAR BALA TU(N) DUR KAR
MUSHKIL KUSHA MOWLA ALI

The person who recited this Bhajan can shed more light; his name, who wrote this Bhajan and about raga.
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Admin



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has nothing to do with Bajan and Qasida Ofter during Layltul Qadr there are a series of Tasbihs and in between some verses of ginans are recited. This is one of those.
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shivaathervedi



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin wrote:
This has nothing to do with Bajan and Qasida Ofter during Layltul Qadr there are a series of Tasbihs and in between some verses of ginans are recited. This is one of those.


Look at question what Arusa asked. Let me repeat it," I have an audio recording of a GINAN but do not know name of it".
She has asked the name of ginan, obviously the recording is not complete ginan but a mixture of different lines from different ginans.
Wiseman in LailatulQadar Tasbih this so called ginan is not completely recited and not with the raga as recited in recording.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have nothing of substance to say, please refrain to post.
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shivaathervedi



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin wrote:
If you have nothing of substance to say, please refrain to post.


I analysed that so called fake ginan, but you just wrote a sentence to show you are right and I am wrong. Where is your substance on this issue?
Why Ginan Master Kmaherali is silent on this matter?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shivaathervedi wrote:

I analysed that so called fake ginan,


There is no "fake" ginan, it is just someone who misunderstood a tasbih recited with in between few verses of various ginan as if it was a ginan. There are many such Tasbihs even on ismaili.net, even Babul Missionary used to recite those, it is Ismaili tradition to recite like this. If you would attend Jamatkhanas especially on Laylt ul Qadr, you would have heard these tasbihs many times in your life... depending of your age of course.

You have proved time and again that you don't have the basic knowledge on the subject of ginans so I have just suggested that you stay away from the discussion where you have nothing to contribute except to say this is "Fake". There is no need to imitate Trump, there are not many who respect his saying "fake" all over the place.
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erumsuleman



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am working on the background of many ginans. I will share with you the authenticity of this ginan.

There is no doubt that there are authorship issues.
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