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Ya Ali Madad:
We have this majlis.As per standard Alwaez saying and general Tariqat level perception.The meaning it is for living person and those deceased.
Are we not souls(ruh/ruhani) which never dies ( in other words always HAYAT).
MHI calls us as ruhani/rug children.Has anybody tried to broadly understand that we a souls( ruhanis) in limited biological time span body.
So I look it ruhani is everliving(always hayat) and human body( temporary hayat) can be dying.With this observation the truth/Haqiqat is that we pray for ourselfs ONLY not we the living and those deads,All souls recycle on earth ,not underground in graves or hanging in air/space.We are forefathers of yourself in previous life.
To Get into any haqiqat/baatin perception one has indentify the soul within/rug/spark of noor with ability to communicate teo way with one's mind.
This hayati/ruhani has even one level higher meaning.

nuseri wrote:Ya Ali Madad:
We have this majlis.As per standard Alwaez saying and general Tariqat level perception.The meaning it is for living person and those deceased.
Are we not souls(ruh/ruhani) which never dies ( in other words always HAYAT).
MHI calls us as ruhani/rug children.Has anybody tried to broadly understand that we a souls( ruhanis) in limited biological time span body.
So I look it ruhani is everliving(always hayat) and human body( temporary hayat) can be dying.With this observation the truth/Haqiqat is that we pray for ourselfs ONLY not we the living and those deads,All souls recycle on earth ,not underground in graves or hanging in air/space.We are forefathers of yourself in previous life.
To Get into any haqiqat/baatin perception one has indentify the soul within/rug/spark of noor with ability to communicate teo way with one's mind.
This hayati/ruhani has even one level higher meaning.

In one of your posts you rejected reincarnation, now you believe in cycle of rebirth as you wrote," All souls recycle on earth".

The Hayati/Ruhani Mijlas is an admirable Mijlas which allow one to prepare for the hearafter even before his death.

This thread is not on reincarnation, please no not deviate the subject. Anyone who wants to discuss about reincarnation, there are other threads for this.

Any one with information and opinion on Hayati Mijlas is welcome to post here. Other subjects will be deleted

Ya Ali madad:
Please epost full copy with all lines in recantation section.I myself is a reincarnated soul( ruh with hayat body),so is the world.

DO not post anything on reincarnation in this section. Post in reincarnation thread.

In Ginan it is said;

AAGAR HAATT NA PAATT NA WOHRA
TIYA(N) SAT KA SAMAR SATHEY LIA(N)A MEREY JIV KU

On way (after death) there is no shop, no market or business place where you can bargain, there you have to take good deeds ( nek a'amaal) with you (for salvation).

If there is a bad person, a sinner how come Ruhani Majlis will be beneficial to him? Does Maha Din Chhanta is an entitlement for salvation. In Central Asian countries Ismailis do not follow the ritual of Maha Din Chhanta. They believe what a person did in his life time good or bad will accompany him/her and there will be justice.

What is role of Ruhani Majlis before death of an Ismaili? Does he wants to secure his place in Janat and thinks he/she will not be made accountable for what he/she does during life time?

YA ALI MADAD:
all ismailis is eyes of Imam are RUHANIS ( farman starts as MARA VALA RUHANI BACCHA.)it does not mention hayati baccha.
We were ruhanis of past lives in present life human body,so prayes seeks forgiveness and salvation of our PAST lives ( timeless ruhani jouney on earth.
A person with just zahiri single facet and shallow observation of our faith is NOT EVEN a blessed tariqi.
Suspecting ALI is forthcoming hell ( a dust is volcano)( forget heaven or as human on earth)

shivaathervedi wrote: What is role of Ruhani Majlis before death of an Ismaili? Does he wants to secure his place in Janat and thinks he/she will not be made accountable for what he/she does during life time?

You can stop making fun of everything and everyone. There is no place here for intolerant people.

Any faith, tradition, rite, ritual, ceremony can be subjected to ridicule from the point of view of the unbeliever. This is not going to happen here. Do we understand each other?

nuseri wrote:YA ALI MADAD:
all ismailis is eyes of Imam are RUHANIS ( farman starts as MARA VALA RUHANI BACCHA.)it does not mention hayati baccha.
We were ruhanis of past lives in present life human body,so prayes seeks forgiveness and salvation of our PAST lives ( timeless ruhani jouney on earth.
A person with just zahiri single facet and shallow observation of our faith is NOT EVEN a blessed tariqi.
Suspecting ALI is forthcoming hell ( a dust is volcano)( forget heaven or as human on earth)

The question is about accountability and not some one going to hell.
The hayati bacha/ bechara thread started by you, not knowing what is the definition of life. When Imam says 'AMARA WAHALA RUHANI BAHHAU', it is for his obedient followers with good habits and conduct and not for those who are foul mouth torturing Imam by posting disgrace things which create abhor and disrespect for Imam in the hearts of general public. Those who torture Imam are worst than volcanic dust and dirt. They are not serving Imam but are hurting Institution of Imamat.

Admin wrote:

shivaathervedi wrote: What is role of Ruhani Majlis before death of an Ismaili? Does he wants to secure his place in Janat and thinks he/she will not be made accountable for what he/she does during life time?

You can stop making fun of everything and everyone. There is no place here for intolerant people.

Any faith, tradition, rite, ritual, ceremony can be subjected to ridicule from the point of view of the unbeliever. This is not going to happen here. Do we understand each other?

I replied about accountability by quoting Ginan for explanation. What was wrong with that. What was personal in that post. You should have patience to listen to others.