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Faria
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 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: Mukhi Kamadia's |
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YAM Everyone
I am researching into the role of Mukhi Kamdia's. The daily ones and Majlis Mukhi Kamadia's. Their role, status, etc. Any information from Firmans, Ginans, books, would be much appreciated.  |
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shamsu
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: Ginans |
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When 500 years of bandagi is accepted in the huzoor pur Noor of MHI then that person is appointed as a Mukhi
and it is 300 years for Kamadia
This is mentioned in our ginans explicitly. |
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Salimah
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:18 am Post subject: Ginans |
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| Can you please share with us which Ginan. |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: Mukhi Kamadia |
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Traditionally, before the institutionalization of our Jamat, the Mukhi's role was a treasurer and the Kamadia was an accountant. There is mention of Mukhi's other roles in the transcript of the Haji Bibi case which is available in this website under General Reading of the Library Section. Use the search for word "Mukhi" and you will see all references to the word.
There is a Ginan which refers to the role of Mukhi. Every verse begins with Mukhi. I do not have the exact name of the Ginan. This Ginan was recited by late Count G R Ladak of Toronto and I have also heard his son recite it in Calgary. May be someone can help with the title. |
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alinizar313
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: Mukhi |
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Here is that ginan written by Syed Imam Shah
Mukhi te je jivne moksh jo aale, ane moksh mugat no maram batavaiy
Mukhi te je kiske gher javaiy, oonkaiy jiv ka bhala ker aavaiy
Mukhi te je servaiy bela nikalaiy, ane lakh chorasi na faira taraiy
Mukhi te je moova maanvi jivta keraiy, jinka dil hovaiy tena kaj saraiy
Mukhi te je aap amer bhaid jarne, ane agam nigam ni vaat pichhanaiy
Mukhi te je Soodh boodh versaad ki jarnaiy, ane sevaiy na ghar ni vaat parmarain
mukhi te je pir paigamber ne najraiy dekhaiy, ane janam mararn ki hel jo paikhaiy
mukhi te je men maari rehaiy, ane mukh ma maar konaiy na kahe |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Mukhi |
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| alinizar313 wrote: |
Here is that ginan written by Syed Imam Shah
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YAM alinizar313,
I believe this is a partial Ginan. Could you quote how it begins or under what title it can be referenced. I would like to read the whole Ginan.
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Faria
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately I am unable to understand the meaning of the ginan. Can anyone provide the title???
Also any info in RE to the bandgi? Most people i have spoken to don't know anything about this. |
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Jangir
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: Selection of Mukhis and Kamadias |
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| I would like to know who selects them and does the list go to HI for approval? |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Selection of Mukhis and Kamadias |
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| Jangir wrote: |
| I would like to know who selects them and does the list go to HI for approval? |
My understanding is that names are selected by the councils and sent to MHI for approval. |
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Jangir
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Kmaherali for your reply.
I have another question:
Does it alway have to be husband and wife, because I know of a case where the Mukhi Sahab and Mukhiyani Ma are not husband and wife. I am just wondering how come? In one case I know whereby a Mukhi Sahab passed away and the Mukhiyani Ma requested if she could continue with her term and she did and someone else filled in for Mukhi Sahab. That I can understand BUT I am just wondering if there would be a possibility whereby a wife can be disqualified? |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Jangir wrote: |
Thank you Kmaherali for your reply.
I have another question:
Does it alway have to be husband and wife, because I know of a case where the Mukhi Sahab and Mukhiyani Ma are not husband and wife. I am just wondering how come? In one case I know whereby a Mukhi Sahab passed away and the Mukhiyani Ma requested if she could continue with her term and she did and someone else filled in for Mukhi Sahab. That I can understand BUT I am just wondering if there would be a possibility whereby a wife can be disqualified? |
You are welcome. I think that kind of determination would have to be made by the councils depending on the size and the composition of the Jamat. Also in cases where the Mukhi passes away, I think the council would have to determine whether the Mukhiani could continue or not.
In short it is all upto the councils. |
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unnalhaq
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| kmaherali wrote: |
In short it is all upto the councils. |
I agree and would like to add is that where there are smaller Jamets there is sometimes only Mukhi without the counterpart Mukhiani or there have been only Mukhiani but no Mukhi. I know Columbus, OH JK is that way, only Mukhiani. |
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nagib
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="kmaherali"]
| Jangir wrote: |
Thank you Kmaherali for your reply.
I have another question:
Also in cases where the Mukhi passes away, I think the council would have to determine whether the Mukhiani could continue or not.
In short it is all upto the councils. |
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Well I have to strongly disagree here. The Imam appoints Mukhis AND Mukhianis for a certain term. If Mukhi dies, no Council can remove Mukhiani from her position. Once Mukhiani has been apointed for a term, even Council member has to obey her as she detaines spiritual authority then on behalf of the Imam not on behalf of the Council or the Jamat.
Spiritual authority has preseance over administative authority. Hazar Imam has made clear in his interview with LBC that Council is only a civil body.
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| nagib wrote: |
Well I have to strongly disagree here. The Imam appoints Mukhis AND Mukhianis for a certain term. If Mukhi dies, no Council can remove Mukhiani from her position. Once Mukhiani has been apointed for a term, even Council member has to obey her as she detaines spiritual authority then on behalf of the Imam not on behalf of the Council or the Jamat.
Spiritual authority has preseance over administative authority. Hazar Imam has made clear in his interview with LBC that Council is only a civil body.
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You are right. I overlooked the aspect of appointment. Once the order is given as per "Amar te aayo more shahji jo" it has to be fulfilled unless the affected Mukhiani feels that she cannnot continue.
It also brings to light the issue as to whether the Mukhi/Mukhiani are appointed as a couple or as individuals. Clearly it is the later.
But before appointments are made, the council determines the various needs and makes appropriate recommendation to MHI. |
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_thaillestlunatic_
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YAM,
I had a ques, do all majalis mukhi/kamadia's names get appointed by MHI also?
Also, about Student's mijalis, can you do anything you want for the mijalis like pir ji mani and juro's etc etc and you are playing the role of Mukhi ie students mukhi usually gives the amar for dua does this mean you are playing the role of a jamati mukhi?. The ginan about the role of Mukhi's
Mukhi te je jivne moksh jo aale, ane moksh mugat no maram batavaiy
Mukhi te je kiske gher javaiy, oonkaiy jiv ka bhala ker aavaiy
Mukhi te je servaiy bela nikalaiy, ane lakh chorasi na faira taraiy
Mukhi te je moova maanvi jivta keraiy, jinka dil hovaiy tena kaj saraiy
Mukhi te je aap amer bhaid jarne, ane agam nigam ni vaat pichhanaiy
Mukhi te je Soodh boodh versaad ki jarnaiy, ane sevaiy na ghar ni vaat parmarain
mukhi te je pir paigamber ne najraiy dekhaiy, ane janam mararn ki hel jo paikhaiy
mukhi te je men maari rehaiy, ane mukh ma maar konaiy na kahe
Can anyone translate this in english?
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