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sameernoorani5



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:34 pm    Post subject: 180,000 or 124,000 PAIGAMBERS? Reply with quote

Pir Satgur Noor said;

LAAGI REY PIR PAIGAMBER NEY
WARRI EK LAAKH EENSI HAJAAR
DEH KASSO POTA TANU
TE MA ANTAR NATHI LAGAAR

Pir Sadruddin said;

EK LAAKH NEY CHOVEES HAJAAR
MAA(N)HE PAIGAMBER SARDAR
NABI MUHAMMAD ARAJ KARSHEY
SAHEB SUNO FARIYAAD

There is obvious contradiction! Question arises which figure is correct 180,000 or 124,000?
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nuseri



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya ALI madad:
what is avatar number?
A farman of IMAM SMS has selected only ruhaniyat ginan one Pir.
Both these extract stands null n void for haqiqati momin as study n inspiration for Ismaili.It is story telling category of an approved Pir n not ruhani.
No need waste time n energy on it
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Admin



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nuseri wrote:
Ya ALI madad:
what is avatar number?
A farman of IMAM SMS has selected only ruhaniyat ginan one Pir.
Both these extract stands null n void for haqiqati momin as study n inspiration for Ismaili.It is story telling category of an approved Pir n not ruhani.
No need waste time n energy on it


Our present Pir is Shah Karim, somehow we like "wasting" our time on him as you put it. If you do not like it, your place is not here.

I have already warned you not to denigrate our Pirs including including the present or the previous. If you are unwilling to follow the rules of posting, let me know.
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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 180,000 or 124,000 PAIGAMBERS? Reply with quote

sameernoorani5 wrote:
There is obvious contradiction! Question arises which figure is correct 180,000 or 124,000?
Can you provide the names of the respective Ginans? Thanks
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nuseri



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Admin:Ya Ali madad.
Read the farman word by word of IMAM SMS his order on selections n also not keep on clinging on to traditions over farmans of Imam,
Which farman are you following? a tradition does have their glorious n wonderful periods.
I was replying in strict order of farman as an Attorney to a non Ismaili whom you are giving more space than Ismailis n abetting, so that he does not try to corner our great scholars in the forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nuseri wrote:
To Admin:
Which farman are you following? a tradition does have their glorious n wonderful periods..


This thread is on 180,000 or 124,000 PAIGAMBERS?


If you have nothing of value for this thread, please stay away. All irrelevant posting will be deleted. I am tired of repeating the same. You understand that you are increasing the workload of cleaning the Forum on a continuous basis and at some point your account will be banned. So please do not be surprised when this happens.
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erumsuleman



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 180,000 or 124,000 PAIGAMBERS? Reply with quote

In which ginan is it mentioned please name the ginan
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agakhani



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not in a single ginan of any Sattadhari Ismaili pirs!!!
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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of whether the numbers have been mentioned in Ginanic literature, the figure of 124,000 as per hadith is only symbolic to signify that no peoples have been left with a Divinely inspired messenger as per Qur'an. That there have been many many Prophets sent by Allah to guide mankind.
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sameernoorani5



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: 180,000 or 124,000 PAIGAMBERS? Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
sameernoorani5 wrote:
There is obvious contradiction! Question arises which figure is correct 180,000 or 124,000?
Can you provide the names of the respective Ginans? Thanks
sameernoorani5





Pir Satgur Noor said;

LAAGI REY PIR PAIGAMBER NEY
WARRI EK LAAKH EENSI HAJAAR
DEH KASSO POTA TANU
TE MA ANTAR NATHI LAGAAR

The above part of ginan is from;
(Opening part is)

JAGI REY JENEY MON VISEY
ANEY ANTAR MA LIJIYEY
TENA AACHARAN DHANKIYA NA RAHEY
TAMEY MON VICHARONEY TE

Pir Sadruddin said;

EK LAAKH NEY CHOVEES HAJAAR
MAA(N)HE PAIGAMBER SARDAR
NABI MUHAMMAD ARAJ KARSHEY
SAHEB SUNO FARIYAAD

The above part of ginan is from;
(Opening part is)

EJI DHANDHUKAR MA AAPEY SWAMI EHAD RUUPAJ HOTA
AAPUS MAHE(N)EY THI AAPEY SWAMI UTPUT RACHANA KITA
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