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Aly_shallwani



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Ajab Ajayeb and other propheties Reply with quote

This Ginan  really leaves a horrifying effect o­n us , i heard this ginan in Jk but did not understood the last lines of it so plz any o­ne can give the meaning of this Ginan
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:35 am    Post subject: Doom Ginans - Ajab Ajaeb Reply with quote

You have raised a very pertinent issue. I am also concerned about these kinds of Ginans being recited in Jamatkhanas. First of all we must realize that Allah is kind and merciful and his mercy is greater than his wrath. This is best illustrated by the following situation that I related in another forum.

In a mystical vision induced through a waking dream by an esoteric practice of a Sufi Tariqah under Late Master Sheikh Muzaffer Ozak of Istanbul, Lex Hixon (the author of the "Heart of the Quran") found himself in paradise with Prophet Muhammad. He discusses paradise, hell and the hereafter with Prophet Muhammad. He tells the Prophet "But we read in the Holy Koran that those who deny Allah will suffer in Hell eternally." To which the Prophet replies: "But you read again and again in the Holy Koran that Allah is all-compassionate and all-merciful. How could an all-compassionate Power create a realm expressly designed for beings to suffer even for an instant, much less for eternity?" The Prophet further goes on to say: "My dear friend, it is true that when a soul who has not practiced the life of loving submission to Allah reaches Paradise, it cannot bear the intense radiance here, so falls asleep again and dreams of Hell. Hellfire is simply the purifying radiance of Paradise. And all dreams, even dreams of eternal damnation, are but momentary. These dreaming souls soon awaken into Paradise, fully purified and joyously praising the All-Merciful One."

I have heard that MHI does not want these kinds of depressing Ginans which convey the sense of doom, hell and the end of the world scenarios to be recited in JKs. He wants those Ginans which uplift the mind and soul through allusions to enlightenment, joy and wisdom.

In my opinion, the Peers perhaps composed these Ginans to awaken and scare murids who have completely been immersed in materialism. As ISMS has stated in his memoirs, creation is perpetual and therefore there cannot be an end. All allusions to the end of the world have to be understood in an allegorical sense and not literally.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 2 ginans with that verse [One by Pir Shams and the other by Pir Sadarsin I think] , I find those superbe.

I have lived long enough to see all these prophecies come true around me and what looked like remotely possible only in the far future when those ginans were composed have become contemporary issues.
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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am referring to things like:

"The entire world will be destroyed,
No one will remain upon it." (verse 27)

Also Kaljug according to one theory is over and we are well into Dua Pur Jug.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:37 am    Post subject: Predictions come true! Reply with quote

These predictions are becoming true ,Pirs have actually quoted the Future happenings and i think some of them have already become reality like Early Marriages,Saas Bahu and many other &amp; ginan is trying to alert us to remain stern religious man in this&nbsp;period of time where&nbsp; o&shy;nly imam will guide us o&shy;n the righteous path and the person who will not obey the imam will be bad doomed. <BR><BR>
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shamsu



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
I am referring to things like:

"The entire world will be destroyed,
No one will remain upon it." (verse 27)

Also Kaljug according to one theory is over and we are well into Dua Pur Jug.


K, what do you think is the esoteric meaning of this verse?


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star_munir



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya Ali Madad
What do you mean by,
I have heard that MHI does not want these kinds of depressing Ginans which convey the sense of doom, hell and the end of the world scenarios to be recited in JKs. He wants those Ginans which uplift the mind and soul through allusions to enlightenment, joy and wisdom.

From where you heard?Any waez or reference? Is there any Ginan which do not uplift mind and soul and which is not based on wisdom???
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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

star_munir wrote:
Is there any Ginan which do not uplift mind and soul and which is not based on wisdom???
YAM,

"This Ginan reallyleaves a horrifying effect on us, i heard this ginan in Jk but did not understood the last lines of it so plz any o&shy;ne can give the meaning of this Ginan"

Aly Shallwani was horrified!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shamsu wrote:

K, what do you think is the esoteric meaning of this verse?
Shams
YAM,

One could interprete it from the premise of the universe being the projection of thought. It is entirely subjective. Every individual has his/her
own exprience which cannot be shared by others. Though they could be exposed to the same external circumstance, one could experience hell while the other could experience heaven. It is all a matter of perception.

In this particular case, the worst possible external circumstance is presented, which would force a momin to detach himself completely from the external circumstance and focus entirely on his inner resources. For this momin the world has come to an end and all his relationships have been severed and hence no one remains for him. He relies completely on his companinship with the Imam and no one else.

Hence in verse 29 we have:
"As near as the span of a hand
is the kingdom of our saheb"
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this Ginan available in this website?
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Aly_shallwani



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Hey Kmaher ali Reply with quote

I was just trying to say that Pirs have always spoken truth and i was just sharing my experience of listening this ginan that all the things in this ginan are changing in reality when you&#39;ll read this ginan you&#39;ll be able to know the&nbsp;mentioned predictions which are really Horrifying and are going to happen ,some had already happened like a 9 year old girl will marry 12 year old boy,saas will present a glass of water to her bahu o&shy;n her orders,water will end from 999 rivers and will be sold by measuring it ,flour will be given in puris little packets etc...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

star_munir wrote:
Is this Ginan available in this website?
No, I got the translation from Songs of Wisdom and Circles of Dance by Tazim R. Kassam. These are Translations of Maha Ismaili Santa Pir Shams Rachit Ginanono Sangraha(An Anthology of Ginans composed by the Great Ismaili Saint, Pir Shams)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KMaherAli thanks for reference But this Ginan is of Pir Sadardin not of Pir Shams...As I read it from Ginan book it is of Pir Sadardin as its last verse says
Eji Ginan Maharas Pir bhanave Sadardin
A Sarvey Sacho kari Janoo jeeray

Are you writing about this Ginan ? "Eji Ajab Ajaib dekho moman bhai kaljug aaya khotaa jeeray...." or Some one else??

From Ginan book which I have read, there are 13 verses of this Ginans and predictions like bahu will give water to saas,water will become less etc which Aly Shallwani wrote
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ginan that I am referring to is "Ajab Jamana suno moman bhaiji kalajuga aya khota jire" by Pir Shamsh and it has 30 verses.

It looks like Pir Sadardin also wrote a Ginan on the same theme. There are similar predictions etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: Ajab Ajaaib Transcription and Translation. Reply with quote

The following is a rough translation of the Ginan. Compared to the version of Pir Shams it is pale in regard to its horrifying effect. Pir Shams' version mentions the end of the world and other doom scenarios.

eji ajab ajaayab dekho moman bhaaee, kaljug aayaa khotaa jeere.............1

Witness the strange and wonderful o brother devotees, the false period of kajug has arrived.

eji peer saathe mureed laddegaa, baap ku(n) maarengaa bettaa jeere........2

Disciples will fight against their masters, and sons will beat up their fathers.

eji maa(n)he maa(n)he doy ba(n)dhav laddege, avar jaanne do godhaa jeere....3

There in two brothers will fight each other, others will consider them as two bulls.

eji maaee bettee doy laddashe, ek beejaane kaheshe sokaa jeere...........4

Mother and daughter will fight each other, each one will accuse the other of being a co-wife.

eji saasu uttheene paannee bharashe, vavar besee khaannu(n) khaave jeere......5

The mother-in-law will rise and get water, while the daughter-in-law will eat food while sitting.

eji nav varasanee naaree faleshe, ne baar varasno purush jeere..........6

Girls will mature at the age of nine and the husband will be twelve years old.

eji do varannaa(n) kaljugmaa(n) megh ma(n)ddaayshe, gaayaa be vaachhaddaa jannashe jeere....7

It will rain in two seasons during the kaljug and a cow will bear two calves.

eji pahelee fojaku(n) paannee meeleshe, dujee fojaku(n) gaaraa jeere.....8

The first army will encounter water, the second army will encounter mud.

eji treejee foje kheha uddashe, chothee foje sheetal chhaayaa jeere....9

The third army will enconter flying dust, the forth army will encounter cool and shade.

eji paa(n)chmee foje alee purakh chaddashe, leshe te khanna(n)g treedhaaro jeere......10

The perfect Ali will rise along with the fifth army, and he will carry the triple edged sword.

eji navso navannu(n) nadeeyu(n) neer ghattashe, traajave tolaayshe paannee jeere...11

The water of 999 rivers will be gathered, the water will be weighed on a scale.

eji ganneeyaa daannaa tyaare ananaa(n) vechaayshe, ane puddeeye ba(n)dhaayshe aattaa jeere....12

A few grains of food will be sold and floor will be packed in paper wrap.

eji geenaan mahaaras peer bhannaave sadardeen, e sarave saachu(n) karee jaanno jeere........13

This hymn of great delight is taught by Pir Sadardeen, consider all this as true.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmaherali wrote:
shamsu wrote:

K, what do you think is the esoteric meaning of this verse?
Shams
YAM,

One could interprete it from the premise of the universe being the projection of thought. It is entirely subjective. Every individual has his/her
own exprience which cannot be shared by others. Though they could be exposed to the same external circumstance, one could experience hell while the other could experience heaven. It is all a matter of perception.

In this particular case, the worst possible external circumstance is presented, which would force a momin to detach himself completely from the external circumstance and focus entirely on his inner resources. For this momin the world has come to an end and all his relationships have been severed and hence no one remains for him. He relies completely on his companinship with the Imam and no one else.

Hence in verse 29 we have:
"As near as the span of a hand
is the kingdom of our saheb"





There is an ayat in the Quran about--- everything will ultimately get annihilated except for the face of Allah

As far as the 5 armies

Imam SMS Farman states .

There are 5 things, shariat, tariqat, haqiqat, marifat and the fifth one is God..


YAM

Shams
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The essential truth of suffering is that neither individual nor social problems are due chiefly to external conditions.

-B. Alan Wallace, Tibetan Buddhism From the Ground Up
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of the predictions in Ginan has already come true. The evils of Kaljug as mention in this Ginan and many others could be seen and observed like mother and daughter fighting with each other, no respect for elders.In olden times and even in old hindi movies it is shown that motherinlaw being cruel but now the situation is totally opposite. Bahus give order to their saas and even beat etc infront of sons...this can be obsevered many of us.Girls being mature at age of nine and water will be measured. Nowadays also water is sold out like one litre mineral water etc. At that time flour was found in abundance every where, In Ginan it is mention that it will also be sold out in packets..
Mother and children fight with each other and use abusive languages. Syed Imam Shah in Ginan Momin Chetamani also says that Places of worship will turn into places of sin that means people will come Jamat Khana but there too they will do sins and will not understand whats the purpose of Jamat Khana.When a time like that has prevailed then even the earth will seem to shake and everything will be base and sinful
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AS RECEIVED


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Be noted that the predictions on the whole are not alarming, but also foretell the advent of scientific progress in modern period. .


Pir Shams

1. Daughter-in-law will take account from mother-in-law, causing people to laugh.
2. Food will be cooked with solar energy.
3. Grains will be grown little due to the scanty of rain.
4. Virtuous women too remain away from the virtuous path.
5. Mother and daughter will quarrel and abuse each other in dirty words.
6. Friend will be enemy of his friend despite of eating, drinking and sleeping together.
7. Brother will kill his brother.
8. Women will beat the husbands, and people will watch their fun.
9. Both Muslims and Hindus will eat in one plate.
10. Both Muslims and Hindus will slay cow, but quarrel in the division of meat.
11. Hardly a true believer will be seen in the 24 miles radius.
12. Idiots will be the rulers.
13. Shameless women and men will live like beasts.
14. Value of clothe and attire will be more than the ilm (knowledge).
15. People will regard the silken clothes as their God.
16. Koran will remain for name-sake (means it will be used as oath taking book).
17. Patience will be regarded cowardice,
18. Ratio of death will increase all of a sudden.


Pir Sadruddin

1. Water of all the rivers in the world will be dried up.
2. Even the grains of corn will be sold by counting.
3. Girl of five years will be desirous of marriage.
4. Girl of nine years will become mother.
5. Believers will quarrel with their Lord on futile matters.
6. Son will rise against his father and fight with him.
7. Brother will dispute with his brother.
8. Son of twelve years will become father.
9. True believers will be persecuted.
10. That time will be paradise for the liars.
11. Due to intense shortage of grains, women will give up their weeping children aside.
12. There will be heavy problems due to scanty of petroleum in earth,
13. There will be shortage of the men studying the ilm
14. Selfish women will give up affection to their children.
15. Traces of casting mercy will disappear.
16. Followers even will not treat the Imam as their Guest.
17. People will disobey their rulers.
18. Rulers will be cruel, causing it an injustice period.
19. Aged women will enjoy as if the young women.
20. Breaking out of the famine will be a nominal issue.
21. Earth will gradually become void of minerals.
22. No one will assist in the virtuous deeds due to greed of wealth.
23. For the sake of empty bellies, all will rise even to abuse their ancestors.
24. No one will serve the orphan and disabled.
25. People will intrude in the marriages & assemblies without getting invitation.
26. Services of the ancestors will be ignored in the marriages and assemblies.
27. Differences of opinion will be seen between the parents and the Lord.
28. Son will go two steps ahead of his father.
29. Women will have dominance over the men.
30. Even in insignificant matter, people will knock the door of the court.
31. Trees growing fruits will be dried up.
32. Male will be active in casting evil eyes.
33. Wives will be dishonest with the husbands.
34. Nobody have (spiritual) power to perform miracle.
35. No one will share to remove the pain of others.
36. Reciters of the giants will be very proud.
37. Entire world will be slept round the clock as no one has anxiety of hereafter.
38. Due to the sins, the period of hereafter will draw nearer.
39. Salt water of the ocean will be converted into sweet water.
40. Women and men will play together.
41. Mother-in-law will serve water to the daughter-in-law, who while eating.

Pir Hasan Kabir al-Din

1. Sabarmati River of India will be flooded with blood.
2. Power of the devil will be faster than the electricity.
3. Revolutionary governments will surface out everywhere in the world.
4. Hardly a grain of corn will be destined to the people.
5. People will commit sins for the sake of stomach.
6. Quantity of the believers will be reduced.
7. Infidel will assume role of the faithful to plunder the people.
8. People will be restricted to perform virtuous deeds.


Sayed Imam Shah

1. Boats will be sunk in the ocean everywhere (also it refers to air-crash.)
2. Muslims and Hindus will join in matrimonial relation.
3. Ratio of the divorce will be increased.
4. Women will marry more than a man.
5. Women will give birth of three or more babies at one time.
6. Earth-quake will be everywhere in the world.
7. Age of the mankind will be decreased.
8. People will launch carnage everywhere.
9. People will be killed at the cost of money.
10. Followers will come in the prayer-halls after six months.
11. Vegetation and women will be void to grow and give birth respectively.
12. Sword will be unsheathed before Mukhi when he asked anybody to pay dasond.
13. Communist blocks will dominate over subcontinent.
14. Nobody will respect guidance of the Imam.
15. People will not go to Jamatkhana to make dua even by giving a penny.
16. There will be minimum persons to earn Imam’s grace.
17. People will hardly sip holy water once a year.
18. Unlawful will be considered lawful.
19. Color of egg will become pale.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we must keep in mind Prince Sadruddin's statement:

"Creation is sacred. Life and nature need not be exploited to instill fear in our hearts. For the Hindus, we have entered the Kali Yuga, the dark age, while St. John's Apocalypse evokes the divine judgement for human sins through his vision of the final destruction of the earth. Though there is cause for apocalyptic rhetoric in the chemical and radioactive pollution of soil and water and the depletion of the ozone layer, the problem with cyclical or terminal Apocalypses is that they deeply imprint the mind with negative and destructive behaviour patterns. One is escapism: "God will judge, but we are the faithful who will escape. And really this isn't our home, anyway, since heaven is our kingdom". There is an "us/them" dilemma here, with a judgement on the others. What we need to do is formulate a language that draws people back into community and responsibility. Apocalyptic visions point the other way."

http://ismaili.net/sadru/960926.html
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