Did you know that the word 'SUNNI' is not listed in Quran!?

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Did you know that the word 'SUNNI' is not listed in Quran!?

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Did you know that, the word 'EHLE SUNNAT-WAL- JAMAT OR WORD 'SUNNI' ' is not listed in either QURAN or in any AHADIS BOOKS called SIHAH SITTA?? Go ahead and find out and prove me wrong but I, bet you can't , this is my challenge!!.
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Yusuf Estes said

"But where did you get “Sunni” from? “Shiite,” I know where they got it from! It’s Shee’ Ali, it means the supports of Ali. Yes or no? Yea, that’s what it means! It doesn’t mean they’re right, but I’m just saying that’s where the name goes. Where did you get the name Sunni? Where did you get it? You don’t know, do you? You don’t know who gave it to you, do you? But yet you say it? Is that amazing? You have no problem, “I’m a Sunni!” OK, really, where did it come from? Does it come from “Sunnah”? Are you sure? Does that mean then that you only follow Sunnah, you don’t follow the Quran? Huh? Because guess what – Shiites do have some hadeeth! They have a book, al-Kaafee, which is sufficient, that’s what it means, of hadeeth. So they take Sunnah, and they take Quran. So you gotta really be careful…"

Source: From a lecture during his 2008 Malaysian tour, uploaded to YouTube with the title: “Q&A: Problems of Sects”, Dec. 17, 2010 (YouTube/Safeshare)
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Again, to refer back to widely accepted scholarly sources of knowledge, let us look to the earliest and most authoritative books on ascriptions and their legitimacy in Islam, like as-Sam’aanee’s (d.562) al-Ansaab, a dictionary of ascriptions with discussions of their origins and validity, wherein he said (7/278):

"Sunni is an ascription to the Sunnah, the opposite of bid’ah (innovation). When the numbers of the people of innovation increased, a number of people took this ascription (Sunni). He then mentions numerous examples of the early scholars who used this ascription."

Muslims have used the word “Sunni” to ascribe to the way of Ahlus-Sunnah throughout the history of Islam, without objection. These ignorant words of Yusuf Estes are a disgraceful insult to the Muslims around the world who practice their Religion uprightly by ascribing to the Sunnah, seeking to distinguish themselves from the Shiite who unjustly curse the noble and honored Companions.

No, Yusuf Estes, as most children could teach you: Sunnis do not reject or refuse to follow the Quran![/b]
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AS RECEIVED

One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams.
(Quran 17:71)

And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our
authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs." (Quran 32:24)

Certainly, the true followers (Shia) of these Imams will be the real prosperous on the day of resurrection.

Thus being a Shia does not mean anything, unless we know the Shia of whom.

The word "Shia" is explicitly used, letter by letter, in the above
verse as well as the following verse.) In another verse, Quran talks about the Shia of Moses versus the enemies of Moses:
"And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city)
were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one
being of his Shia and the other being his enemy, and the one
who was of his Shia cried out to him for help against the one
who was of his enemy" (Quran 28:15)

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In the above verse of Quran, one is named the Shia of Moses (AS) and the other one is named the enemy of Moses, and the people at that time were either the Shia or the enemy of Moses (AS).

Thus the word shia was coined for His high ranking
prophets as well as their followers.

Do you want to say Prophet Abraham was sectarian?

How about Prophet Noah and Prophet Moses?

If somebody calls himself a Shia, it is not due to any sectarianism, nor
any innovation.

It is because Quran has used the phrase for some of His best servants. The above verses that I mentioned in support of Shia, has used this term singular form
(i.e., one group of followers).

This means that it has special meaning, such as: THE Shia of Noah (AS),
THE Shia of Moses (AS). Also in the History of Islam, Shia has been
specially used for the "followers of Ali".


The first individual who used this term was the Messenger of Allah himself:
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you
and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

Sunni references:
1. Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
2. Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
3. Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
4. al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
5. Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
6. al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous
7. authorities.
8. al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247

Thus the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) used to say the phrase of "Shia of Ali".

This phrase is not something invented later!

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) said that the TRUE followers of imam Ali will go to Paradise, and this is a great felicity.


Also Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "The Shia of Ali are the
real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"

Sunni references:
* al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:
* Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62
* Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, who
* quotes the tradition as follows: "We were with the Holy Prophet when
* Ali came towards us. The Holy Prophet said: He and his Shia will
* aquire salvation on the day of judgment."

Allah mentioned in Quran that Some of His righteous servants were Shia of His other righteous servants.


An example was Prophet Abraham who was mentioned in Quran specifically as the Shia of Noah:
"And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)"
(Quran 37:83)

The "day of rising" means the day of judgment.

Also it is narrated that: The Messenger of Allah said:

"O Ali! On the Day of Judgment I shall resort to Allah
and you will resort to me and your children will resort
to you and the Shia will resort to them.

Then you will see where they carry us. (i.e. to Paradise)"


Sunni reference: Rabi al-Abrar, by al-Zamakhshari
Furthermore, it is narrated that:

The Messenger of Allah said: "O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up).


Sunni references:

* al-Tabarani, on the authority of Imam Ali
* al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami,
* Ch. 11, section 1, p236


A more complete version of the tradition which has also been reported by the Sunnis, is as follows:
Ibn Abbas (RA) narrated: When the verse

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"Those who believe and do righteous deeds
are the best of the creation (Quran 98:7)"
was revealed, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF)
said to Ali:

"They are you and your Shia."

He continued:

"O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your
Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and
well-pleasing, and your enemies will come angry
with their head forced up. Ali said:
"Who are my enemies?"

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) replied:
"He who disassociates himself from you and curses you.

And glad tiding to those who reach first under the
shadow of al-'Arsh on the day of resurrection."

Ali asked: "Who are they, O the Messenger of Allah?"

He replied: "Your Shia, O Ali, and those who
love you."

Sunni references:
* al-Hafidh Jamaluddin al-Dharandi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
* al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 246-247



Then Ibn Hajar provides a bizarre commentary for the
first tradition, saying:

The Shia of Ali are the Ahlussunnah since they

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are those who love Ahlul-Bayt as Allah and His
Prophet had ordered


Sunni reference:
* al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p236

And this is how Sunni scholars cope with the prophetic traditions in favor of "Shia of Ali"! They say that they are the real Shia!

Let us look at one more tradition in this regard:

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali:

"The first four individuals who will enter
the Paradise are me, you, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and our progeny will be behind us, and our wives will be behind our progeny, and our Shia will be on our right side and in our company."

Sunni references:

* al-Manaqib, by Ahmad
* al-Tabarani, as quoted in:
* al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p246


From the above pieces of evidence, the word "Shia"

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is used by Allah in Quran for His prophets as well as their followers.

Further, His blessed Prophet, Muhammad (PBUH&HF) has repeatedly used this word for the followers of Imam Ali (AS).

The word Shia is used here in its special meaning, and moreover, it is not in plural form (Parties), rather the above verses and traditions are referring to a special party, i.e., one single party.

If Shia meant sectarian, neither Allah would use it for His high rank prophets nor Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) would have praised them.


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Post by agakhani »

ZZnorr,
Good question, but if you have read my sentence carefully then you do not have to ask me ! the real word was "Sunnat wal Jamat" but I thought this word may be strange word for many readers in this forum so I also put or " Sunny " to better understanding.
So there is no question arise where I found the word Sunny.
I agree with you that this word might come from word "Sunnah".
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Post by agakhani »

To Zina Khan and Admin,

Thank you both to sharing this interesting article on Shiates,

It is good to know that Shiates were during the time of prophet Moses. I read some where that Shiates were also during the time of Hazarat Noah!! any information on this?
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