yes I know it has NOTHING to do with the other interpretations of islam. I just related it to dua vs namaz. Imams word is final, I think you misunderstood me I was trying to say it is compulsory on us. I never related beej with the other muslims.
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: Why do we fast
Why do we fast on Shukarvaari Beej.. I am fasting but I do not know the reason behind it. If someone can share their thoughts, that would be great..! Thanks!
Kamaluddin missionary has mentioned in his book of rites and ceremonies that
In Karta yug, there was fast on Monday on 11th date of moon
In Treta yug, there was fast on Tuesday on 14th date of moon
In Duwapur yug, if there was Tuesday and 15th date of moon, it was the day of fasting.
In Kalyug fasting is when there is Friday and Chaandraat.
Abualy has mentioned in Ismaili Tariqah volume 1 "this fasting is to thank God for the religion of Islam and for Pir Hassan Kabirdin who gave the sawab of all his ibadat to the jamat of whole world till the last day. It commences after taking holy niaz in morning and broken with holy niaz after evening prayers."
However Shukarwari beej is mentioned in Ginans of Pir Shams as well.
There is a ginan which tells the story of Pir Shams taking test of the jamat of that time during last days of his life. The ginan is popularly called as janazo with first line farman kari nar ji boliya....
The fasting that has been mentioned in this Ginan is may be beej but I am not sure whether the fast that is mentioned in this Ginan is of beej or not.
However Shukarwari beej is mentioned in Ginans of Pir Shams as well.
There is a ginan which tells the story of Pir Shams taking test of the jamat of that time during last days of his life. The ginan is popularly called as janazo with first line farman kari nar ji boliya....
The fasting that has been mentioned in this Ginan is may be beej but I am not sure whether the fast that is mentioned in this Ginan is of beej or not.
Wow! Thank you soo much! Does anyone have the translation for this Ginan? It is located here (http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/3911) in our Ginan section but there is no translation.
I believe I have heard the story however..does it go something like this? My Nani used to tell me it:
Pir Shams was in the forest and telling the community members that he wanted to have any Jamat member to sacrifice any part of there body for him to eat and until they do he won't come out of the forest or eat (of course this is just a test). The Jamat were only talking within the community about it and almost like backbiting behind about him but no one listened. Only weeks later a blind man was informed about this, and as soon as he got to know he went into the forest right away with a knife ready to sacrifice any part of his body. The Pir was glad that someone was a true Murid, and only then Pir Shams realized that how much love there was from the rest of the Jamat - he was really disappointed. As soon as the blind man came to the Pir, the Imam of that time came on a horse into the forest and the blind man could see thanks to the Imam's Deedar. At that moment, the man got a glimps of the Imam and then the Imam disappeared. The blind man ran out of the forest screaming, "I can see! I can see!". When Pir Shams came to the city he was disappointed with the rest of the Jamat so told them that as a punishment they would have to bury him alive. Although the Jamat were sad about this they had to as it was his order.
I believe that is how the story goes and if it is from this Ginan it would be an interesting comparison. Also someone please confirm this story. Thanks and waiting to see if anyone has the translation of this Ginan.
I believe that is how the story goes and if it is from this Ginan it would be an interesting comparison. Also someone please confirm this story. Thanks and waiting to see if anyone has the translation of this Ginan.
Below is the translation of the Ginan which seems to vindicate the story. It is taken form Songs of Wisdom and Circles of Dance by Tazim R. Kassam.
faramana kari narajl bollya tame sambhalo plra shamasa vata
The Coffin (Janajo)
Giving an order (farman), the Lord said:
"Listen, Pir Shams! Go amidst the following (jama at) today
and administer a test of faith (iman)."
Pir Shams replied:
"Listen, O Shah! I will demand
from the gathering (gat)
whatsoever it is you wish."
"Ask for bread made of kdthd1 flour
and order human flesh;
Whoever submits flesh will attain
the abode of Heaven (vaikuntha)."
Then Pir Shams departed
and arrived at Uchh in Multan;
All followers assembled and prostrated:
"O GurujI, your wish is our command!"
"Offer only what is within your means
and be of steadfast mind;
But if you prepare some food for me,
I will bestow heartfelt blessings (asisa)."
Pir Shams then said:
"Listen, O Gathering of followers (gat jama'at)] I
require of you only this for which
I shall bestow heartfelt blessings!"
"Bring to me some bread made of katha flour
and fetch me some human flesh;
The one who gives this flesh will attain
a dwelling in Heaven."................ 7
Stunned, the gathering discussed this:
"Who will give up their own flesh?
Pir Shams will save the resolute, but who, indeed,
dares to go near the Pir?"........... 8
Pir Shams sat down with a rosary to pray:
"O Saheb, preserve my honor (laj)!"
For seven days he kept fast (roza), and nobody
dared to go near the Pir............. 9
Then a blind mendicant arrived
and promptly sat down in the prayer-house;
"Take your gold dagger in your hand
and feast upon my flesh!"........... 10
"Your offer has satisfied me.
Auspicious (dhanya) that moment, blessed that night!
That day when you were born!
Great, indeed, shall be your fortune!".......... 11
Then Qasim Shah himself appeared
and began the rite of Holy Water (ghatpat);
He brought a cupful of Light (nur),
and Pir Shams accompanied him................. 12
Pir Shams said:
"Listen, O my Lord!
In the prayer-house is a blind sage;
deliver him into Divine Light (nur ilahi)!"...............13
[The Shah gave the blind mendicant the cup]2;
He drank the cupful of Light (nur)
and lo! he witnessed the entire universe!................... 14
Then Pir Shams said:
"O Blind Ascetic, listen!
Go and join the congregation for it is now time
for us to depart."....... 15
The blind mendicant stood up,
and he came amidst the following;
"Now fetch the cases and prepare,
for time has come for the Plr to depart!"
The gathering asked the blind man:
"Did you sacrifice yourself to the Plr?
Only yesterday, you bumped into walls
but now you walk tall!"
"Yes, I sacrificed myself to the Plr
and thus drank of Divine Light;
Had he not promised a place in Heaven
to the sacrificer of one's flesh?"
The assembly pondered over his words
and then approached the Plr;
"Take the gold dagger in your hand
and feast upon our flesh."
"That opportunity has passed!
Indeed, who can consume human flesh?"
"Now fetch the cases and prepare,
for the time has come for the Plr to depart!'
The whole gathering began to weep;
men and women both wept!
"If the Plr departs from here upset,
wretched will be our fate!"
Plr Shams said:
"Listen, O following!
I will give the final verdict at my own place;
now it is time to depart."
On Thursday, the seventeenth day
of the month Vaisakha,3
On that day the Plr travelled all the way
to Ucch in Multan.
Seventeen-hundred people followed the Plr
to his own place;
Placing their cases there, they said:
"Plr give us your last decree."
Plr Shams said:
"Listen, O gathering! Every twelve months
Keep a fast (roza) on this day,
and you will attain Heaven (vaikuntha)."
"All men and women must observe this fast,
even little children;
If every twelve months you keep the fast,
you will attain Heaven."
Plr Shams spoke his wisdom (ginan) firmly:
"Listen, O Followers!
Only thus will my curse not strike you,
and you will attain Heaven."
1. A kind of hard reddish wheat.
2. The first line of this verse is missing in the Gujarati text.
3. Seventh month of the Vikram vear.
Wow! Thanks soo much! I was actually trying to translate the ginan myself because I didn't think anyone would have a translation!! I got far but didn't understand some words but now after reading this translation I cab finnaly understand!! Thanks soo much!
I think in those JKs where jamat belonging to different traditions are coming over there announcement "Shukarvari beej is compulsory/obligatory" is not made. Shukarvari beej is though an important ritual for us, but in Syrian, Chitrali, badakshani etc jamat they do not have any concept of Shukarvari beej and so they don't observe it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:21 am Post subject:
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but in Syrian, Chitrali, badakshani etc jamat they do not have any concept of Shukarvari beej and so they don't observe it.
We Ismaili specially Indo-Paki ( in ginan called as "Jampudwip na Murids") only have importance of Sukarvari beej because pir Hasan Kabirdin(s.a.) bestowed his 4 yugas (4 cycles) Ibadats to us (Jampuwsip's Murid) in return and for thanks giving (shukrana) to pir Hasan Kabirdin (s.a.) we fasting on Sukarwari beej and it is compulsory for every one, therefore Ismailis from Syria, Iran may not observe this important beej.
Doesn't Chitral and Badakshan counts in Jampudwip? I think these two places should count in J.D.
I think regardless to one's origin, if one fast the day of Shukarwari Beej in thanks to the remembrance of that event when Pir Hassan Kabirdin dedicated his bandgi to the Jamat, one would certainly get the benefit.
@Admin, that is good thought. I also think regardless of origin, if one keep fast with true intention, he/she can get benefit from it.
But apart from Shukarvari beej, there are certain Majalis which are for the murids belonging to Indo-Paki tradition only. May be, as per the needs of different jamats, some traditions have been introduced specifically for them.
@Agakhani bro, I am not sure whether Chitral and Badakshan are included in Jampudeep or not. I think, these regions may be located in Kashdeep (Balochistan and Afghanistan are located in Kashdeep).
I would say most of the Mijlas, most of the higher Mijlas have roots in our History of Ismailism in Arabia and Persia. Unfortunately, there is no way these mijlas will be discussed here. Not by me, not by anyone.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:02 am Post subject:
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if one fast the day of Shukarwari Beej in thanks to the remembrance of that event when Pir Hassan Kabirdin dedicated his bandgi to the Jamat, one would certainly get the benefit.
That is true, I don't have any objection for that, any body I mean any jamat from any part of this world can fast on the day of Sukarwari Beej, not only on sukarwari beej but also in the month of Ramadan then it will always beneficiary for their Ruhani and for their health, the main reason of my above post to tell the significant behind the sukarwari Beej.
@admin...yes I understood what you are referring to. But as you said, I will stop any discussion on it here.
As per Ginanic traditions, in each era there was specific day for fasting. In Karta Yug, there was fast on Monday when there was 11th date of moon, in Treta Yug it was on Tuesday when there was 14th date of moon, In Duwapur Yug it was on Wednesday when there was 15th date of moon and Pir told that in Kalyug fast is on Friday when there is chandraat.
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