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imranramji2011
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 Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: mowla in dreams |
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| so for the last few days i have been having dreams of mowla. In these dreams i bump or should i say meet mowla in the most unimaginable places like a grocery store a gas station or the park. is mowla trying to tell me somthing or what |
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agakhani
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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You should not tell anyone if Mowla comes in your dream, by the way since you already disclose about your dream then let me give you congratulations brother you are one of those lucky persons who dreams mowla many times.
The interpretation of any dream is tough subject and for this thousands and thousands books have been written so far, it is possible that mowla wants to give some kind particular messages to you to find out this message, you need to ask your self this question and I am pretty sure that you will definitely receive answer from your soul. |
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From_Alamut
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: mowla in dreams |
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| imranramji2011 wrote: |
| so for the last few days i have been having dreams of mowla. In these dreams i bump or should i say meet mowla in the most unimaginable places like a grocery store a gas station or the park. is mowla trying to tell me somthing or what |
Ah, how lucky you brother, I wish to dream about the Beloved every night. |
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Bloglaw
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: mowla in dreams |
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| imranramji2011 wrote: |
| so for the last few days i have been having dreams of mowla. In these dreams i bump or should i say meet mowla in the most unimaginable places like a grocery store a gas station or the park. is mowla trying to tell me somthing or what |
Congratulations. This has much significance and interconnected to your personal life. I suggest you discuss this with a senior Al Waezeen, whose contact details can be provided by your Mukhi or ITREB. It is a my/Scholar. It is a myth not to share or talk about it or there is some spiritual benefit for keeping it to yourself. |
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Bloglaw
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| agakhani wrote: |
You should not tell anyone if Mowla comes in your dream, by the way since you already disclose about your dream then let me give you congratulations brother you are one of those lucky persons who dreams mowla many times.
The interpretation of any dream is tough subject and for this thousands and thousands books have been written so far, it is possible that mowla wants to give some kind particular messages to you to find out this message, you need to ask your self this question and I am pretty sure that you will definitely receive answer from your soul. |
It is not correct that you should not disclose and keep this worderful experience to yourself. How else will he learn and understand. Can you let us have the names of 2 or 3 books on dreams from our perspective and in Islam. Thank you.
Whilst many of us find answers ourselves from within us, many of us need some assistence and guidance to do so. I am happy that you are able to find answers from within you. |
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agakhani
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| Can you let us have the names of 2 or 3 books on dreams from our perspective and in Islam. Thank you. |
Below are few dream books written on Islamic perspective:-
1, LAL KITAB ( FOR ALL MUSLIMS) English and Persian translation
also available (on dreams, faal,( almanac) astrology e.t.c.)
2, Ibn Seerin's Dictionary of Dreams:( BEST BOOKS FOR ALL MUSLIMS)
3, The Early Muslim Tradition of Dream Interpretation (ON SUNNY
PERSPECTIVE)
I do not think any drem book has written on Ismaili perspective yet, I am not pretty sure but if any one know about this please let me know.
Why you should not tell your dream?
Well, there is no scientific reason as far as I know, but there is a religious reason, I heard from my parents, from many
Ismailis and from one waezin that you should not tell your dream if mowla comes in your dream, according them if you do this
then Mowla does not come in your dream very often after that, this way you loose the didar in dream of mowla, believe me I had this experience in past. |
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atharvedi
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:19 am Post subject: Farman on 'Mowla comes in dream' KIM Farman #77 |
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Farman on 'Mowla comes in dream' KIM Farman #77
Kalame Imame Mubin, Farman no. 77, Jamnagar 12th Nov 1903
"Agar koi kahe ke, Saaheb khwaabmaa(n) aave chhe to te badhu(n) jutthu(n) chhe. Ame koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aavataa nathi. Te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe; agar koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aave to pann te mannas bolto nathi. Koine amaaro lebaas, paheraavi kahevu(n) ke 'Saaheb aavyaa' te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe. Ame aavataa nathi. Evu(n) jutthu(n) bolavu(n) nahi joi-e."
*Ddho(n)g - hypocrisy, act, affectation, colour, make-believe, pretence, pretense, craft, PRETENDS
http://shabdkosh.raftaar.in/Hindi-Dictionary/meaning/dhong |
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shiraz.virani
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Kalame Imame Mubin, Farman no. 77, Jamnagar 12th Nov 1903
"Agar koi kahe ke, Saaheb khwaabmaa(n) aave chhe to te badhu(n) jutthu(n) chhe. Ame koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aavataa nathi. Te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe; agar koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aave to pann te mannas bolto nathi. Koine amaaro lebaas, paheraavi kahevu(n) ke 'Saaheb aavyaa' te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe. Ame aavataa nathi. Evu(n) jutthu(n) bolavu(n) nahi joi-e." |
These are pretty tough words atharvedi bhai !!.....So if the person who actually had a dream and in that dream he saw the imam .....thats not actually the imam ??
so if imam is saying he doesnt come in anybodies dream then i think that goes against the ginans !!! ...Is it not ?? |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| shiraz.virani wrote: |
so if imam is saying he doesnt come in anybodies dream then i think that goes against the ginans !!! ...Is it not ?? |
Which Ginan states that the Imam appears in dreams? |
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shiraz.virani
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I was talking about the dream that king harishchandra informs his wife about ....But i think the dream was just the story or he was just trying to test his wife .....further assistance would be appreciated !!!
Anyways maherali bhai whats your take on the above firman ?? If imam says that he doesnt come in anybodies dreams then what the use of BOL ??
And does this mean that we shouldnt focus or think of imam while reciting tasbih/zikr ?? |
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kmaherali
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| shiraz.virani wrote: |
| I was talking about the dream that king harishchandra informs his wife about ....But i think the dream was just the story or he was just trying to test his wife .....further assistance would be appreciated !!! |
I think Raja Harischandra actually followed Tararani to find out what she was up to but of course he could not tell her that, so he made up a story about a dream....
| shiraz.virani wrote: |
Anyways maherali bhai whats your take on the above firman ?? If imam says that he doesnt come in anybodies dreams then what the use of BOL ??
And does this mean that we shouldnt focus or think of imam while reciting tasbih/zikr ?? |
My take on the Farman is that whether he appears or not is a personal matter to the individual and it should never be mentioned to anyone else.
I do not see any connection with the BOL. The BOL does not have any bearing on his physical aspect.
When performing zikr, we are not thinking of his physical form but upon the meaning of zikr. The focus is upon the Noor which is non-physical. The ultimate experience is something that cannot be described, so how can it have any relation to the physical aspect of the Imam?
In the Ginan Sakhi Mahapad, Pir Sadardeen says:
sakhee kahevaa sareekho nathee ke maaro saamee jee re
eto jovaa sareekho chhe alakh anaamee re.........................12
O beloved ones, my Lord (attained through this experience) does
not bear any telling (as He is undescribable) and He is nameless.
He can only be seen (by inner eyes) or experienced. |
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shiraz.virani
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| so how can it have any relation to the physical aspect of the Imam? |
Well most of the times maherali bhai....say for example bandagi....most ismailis have an image in their head when they pray....and that image is that of imam...so are you saying that the murids should not have any kind of image while performing bandagi ?? |
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kmaherali
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| so how can it have any relation to the physical aspect of the Imam? |
Well most of the times maherali bhai....say for example bandagi....most ismailis have an image in their head when they pray....and that image is that of imam...so are you saying that the murids should not have any kind of image while performing bandagi ?? |
Yes, the only focus should be on the meaning of the BOL or any zikr one may choose (if one does not have BOL). The purpose of bandagi is to attain a deeper meaning and understanding of life and 'he who is above all else'. It is not about attaining physical closeness with the Imam.
There should be no worldly images and thoughts about worldly matters when performing bandagi. |
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atharvedi
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Kalame Imame Mubin, Farman no. 77, Jamnagar 12th Nov 1903
"Agar koi kahe ke, Saaheb khwaabmaa(n) aave chhe to te badhu(n) jutthu(n) chhe. Ame koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aavataa nathi. Te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe; agar koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aave to pann te mannas bolto nathi. Koine amaaro lebaas, paheraavi kahevu(n) ke 'Saaheb aavyaa' te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe. Ame aavataa nathi. Evu(n) jutthu(n) bolavu(n) nahi joi-e." |
These are pretty tough words atharvedi bhai !!.....So if the person who actually had a dream and in that dream he saw the imam .....thats not actually the imam ??
so if imam is saying he doesnt come in anybodies dream then i think that goes against the ginans !!! ...Is it not ?? |
Ya Ali Madad Shiraz,
I am not comfortable to discuss on the above topic, as per the farman we should not talk about it. It is personal and individual experience and never discuss with anyone. Karimbai has already explained and I don't see it requires any further clarification.
I think this topic should be deleted or at least disable any replies. The whole point of the above farman was to discontinue the discussion. This is what I was hoping at least after reading the farman the discussion will stop and there will be no such topic raised or discuss in future.
Hope you understand my point of view, by stopping the discussion we will at least follow the above farman faithfully.
No offence to anyone. |
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azizhussain
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Farman on 'Mowla comes in dream' KIM Farman #77 |
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| atharvedi wrote: |
Farman on 'Mowla comes in dream' KIM Farman #77
Kalame Imame Mubin, Farman no. 77, Jamnagar 12th Nov 1903
"Agar koi kahe ke, Saaheb khwaabmaa(n) aave chhe to te badhu(n) jutthu(n) chhe. Ame koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aavataa nathi. Te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe; agar koinaa khwaabmaa(n) aave to pann te mannas bolto nathi. Koine amaaro lebaas, paheraavi kahevu(n) ke 'Saaheb aavyaa' te badhaa ddho(n)g chhe. Ame aavataa nathi. Evu(n) jutthu(n) bolavu(n) nahi joi-e."
*Ddho(n)g - hypocrisy, act, affectation, colour, make-believe, pretence, pretense, craft, PRETENDS
http://shabdkosh.raftaar.in/Hindi-Dictionary/meaning/dhong |
I dont speak gujrati. Can someone please translate the above farman.
thanks |
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