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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: UFO / Alien Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1PPkZiHl8

On 7th August 1996,NASA (1) scientists made an announcement that made front page headlines throughout the world.Within a Martian meteorite,they had found evidence of a microscopic lifeform that may have existed on Mars more than three billion years ago. (2) Although other studies were later published which challenged this conclusion, (3) numerous recent discoveries,for example,the discovery by the Galileo spacecraft, (4) in February 1997,of a possible red-coloured sea under the ice crust of Jupiter's moon,Europa, (5) are raising hopes that we may soon be able to get an answer to one of the oldest and most interesting questions asked by humans-"Is anyone out there,or are we alone in the universe?"

However,it may be that none of us may live to see the day when scientists will give us a definitive answer to this question.For Muslims,that should not be a problem.We already have the answer.Although many Muslims are unaware of the fact,the Quran (6) explicitly mentions the existence of extraterrestrial life.

The existence of creatures of a spiritual nature,such as angels,in the universe,is accepted as a fact by all Muslims,as well as people of other religions, such as Christians.The point that generates excitement among the public,and scientists is the question of whether material lifeforms like ourselves,which can be found by science,do actually exist outside the earth. (7) The objective of this article is to present evidence from the Quran for the existence in the universe,of MATERIAL lifeforms ("Life as we know it").

"Dabbatun"
In Sura 42,Verse 29 (42:29) of the Quran,we are told, "Among His (God's) signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth,and the living creatures that He has scattered through them :and He has power to gather them together when He wills." (icon_cool.gif Before proceeding further,a point or two must be noted.The word "sama",translated "heavens",is also the Arabic for "sky".One may object that the verse refers to creatures in the sky (which would be birds),not in the heavens.However,birds are mentioned seperately from creatures of the heavens in 24:41, "Seest thou not that it is God Whose praise all beings in the heavens and on earth do celebrate,and the birds (of the air) with wings outspread?..." (9) In a note to 42;29,Muhammad Asad states,"In the Quran,the expression "the heavens and earth" invariably denotes the universe in its entireity." (10) The Quran mentions that inanimate objects also worship God:"Do they not look at God's creation, (even) among (inanimate) things- how their (very) shadows turn round,from right to left,prostrating themselves to God..."(16:4icon_cool.gif. (11) Therefore,may not the creatures spoken of in 42:29 in the heavens,be inanimate creatures of God.No.The next verse,16:49 goes, "And to God doth obeisance all that is in the heavens and earth,whether moving (living) creatures or the angels...". (12) The word translated "living creatures" here is the same as that in 42:29- "Dabbatun".Comments Asad,"The word dabbah denotes any sentient,corporeal being capable of spontaneous movement and is contrasted here with the non-corporeal,spiritual beings designated as "angels" ". (13) In other words,42:29 is referring to precisely the type of lifeforms that science is searching for,not some metaphysical entities.Yusuf Ali says,"Dabbatun:beasts,living,crawling creatures of all kind." (14) This is the same word used in 2:164,"...in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth...are signs for a people that are wise," (15) and in 24:45,"And God has created every animal from waterf them are some that creep on their bellies;some that walk on two legs;and some that walk on four. God creates what he wills..." (16) Commenting on 42:29,Allama Shabbir Ahmad Usmani says,"From the verse it appears that like on the earth,there are some kinds of animals- living creatures- in the heavens also." (17) On the same verse,Yusuf Ali comments, "Life is not confined to our one little Planet.It is a very old speculation to imagine some life like human life on the planet Mars...it is reasonable to suppose that Life in some form or other is scattered through some of the millions of heavenly bodies scattered through space." (1icon_cool.gif From such remarks,the reader will realize that Muslim scholars are well aware of the fact that 42:29 clearly mentions the existence of aliens.

Is there any alien intelligent life ?
Although the discovery of any form of life outside the earth would be dramatic,humankind is especially interested in knowing whether there is any alien intelligent life in the universe.NASA previously had a program on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI).Although now scrapped due to budget cuts, private SETI organizations (19) have now been made which continue the search.The Planetary Society, (20) a private organization,in which the film director Steven Speilberg (21) is a member of the Board of Directors,has the largest SETI program in the world.So far, no sign of alien intelligent life has turned up.Can the Quran provide an answer?

Sura 27:65 commands,"Say:None in the heavens or on earth, except God,knows what is hidden:nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgement)." (22) This shows that,like humans,there are other creatures in the universe that will also be raised from the dead.We are told in 19:93-96,"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (God) Most Gracious as a servant.He does take an account of them (all),and hath numbered them (all) exactly.And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgement.On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love." (23) From these verses we learn that there are alien lifeforms that,like us,will also be judged according to the works that they do during their lives.Among them are the believers.Therefore,naturally,there will also be those aliens who are unbelievers.The believers will be rewarded.The lifeforms being descibed in the above verses can hardly be expected to be microorganisms.The Quran is referring to creatures of a level of development that makes them morally accountable beings.They must be organisms possessing qualities which we would ascribe to intelligent lifeforms.

In Sura 72:14-15,jinn (a type of spiritual lifeform,which the Quran mention as living on the earth) say,"Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to God),and some that swerve from justice.Now those who submit their wills- they have sought out (the path) of right conduct:But those who swerve- they are (but) fuel for Hell-fire." (24) The Quran mentions that good jinn will be rewarded with Paradise.Summing up from all the above verses,it is clear that Judgement Day is for creatures in the whole universe (Sura 39:68-"The Trumpet will (just) be sounded when all that are in the heavens and on earth will swoon, except such as it will please God (to exempt).Then will a second one be sounded,when,behold,they will be standing and looking on!") (25) and like jinn,aliens will also be sharing Paradise and Hell with humans.In fact,the Quran mentions that Paradise is of a size like that of our present universe- 57:21,"Therefore (vie) with one another for the pardon of your Lord,and for a Paradise as vast as heaven and earh, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His apostles." (26) Therefore, it is not surprising that when we are sharing this universe with aliens,we should share Paradise and Hell with them too.The Quran shows us,therefore,that not only do aliens exist,but among them are also intelligent beings.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CYcp5wObs&feature=related
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerusalem UFO and Rider on a White Horse in Cairo are Signs of Maitreya, the World Teacher


LOS ANGELES, Feb. 9, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Two miraculous phenomena have recently been seen by millions worldwide on television and the internet: a glowing UFO hovering over Jerusalem's Temple Mount, and an ethereal figure in white riding a white horse through the crowds gathered in Tahrir Square in Cairo, Egypt, captured on video.

The UFO was filmed by at least three different witnesses. The Sydney Morning Herald reported: "Perhaps more intriguing is the fact it was shot from various angles that all seem to be in sync, particularly at the moment when the object flies upwards at high speed." UK's Channel 4 News noted that the videos appear to show "the exact same ball of light" and that "the mystery deepens as flying is forbidden above the sacred site, so the light cannot come from a plane."

What do these phenomena mean? Who is creating them? What is their significance at this time of crisis and change?

According to Benjamin Creme, artist, author and lecturer, these are two of many signs or miracles which herald the emergence into public life of Maitreya, the World Teacher.

On 14 January 2010 Benjamin Creme announced that Maitreya had, for the first time, appeared (incognito) on television. Since then he has appeared 29 times in the USA, and more interviews are expected soon in the Americas, Japan, Europe and the rest of the world.

According to Benjamin Creme's Master, the UFO in Jerusalem was one of the four 'stars' seen around the world since December 2008 that herald Maitreya's open emergence. He also confirms that the Rider on the White Horse was a blessing from Maitreya to show the immensity of what the Egyptian people are doing, and that he is with them in their struggle for justice and freedom. Maitreya has often appeared as the Rider on a White Horse – an age-old symbol for a teacher to come. Many now expect the return of their awaited Teacher, whether they call him the Christ, Messiah, the fifth Buddha, Krishna, Kalki Avatar or the Imam Mahdi.


Video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDB9be0d00&feature=watch_response


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyTehM92hi8
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shiraz.virani wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDB9be0d00&feature=watch_response


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyTehM92hi8


Amazing! Thanks for sharing...

Hitherto miracles have been classified as individual and personal. However, these videos clearly illustrate that miracles can also be 'public'.

In Ginans the 'mounting of the horse' is referred to as 'aswaari'. For example in the Ginan Mein Waari Waari Satgur Taoun Balhaari
By: Pir Ghofte Hasaan Shaah it is stated:

Eeji Eso ginan Pir Ghofte Hasaan Shaah
Saami raajo karo aswaari...Mein waari...8


Meaning:

This Ginan is uttered by Pir Hassan Shah, O lord mount the horse (to liberate and protect)...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Lazar passes lie detector test !!

If you’re not familiar with Bob Lazar’s story, it’s definitely one to get caught up on. This gentleman has been through hell and back in order to simply tell his story of working as a reverse engineer on UFO technology at Area 51.

He has suffered all types of harassment from ‘men in black’, had bits of his past erased from existence to try to break down his credibility, etc. Here’s a little tidbit I’m glad to see. I’m a personal fan of his and can’t wait to meet him some day! Mr. Lazar, I’ve got two thumbs up for you sir!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtSzLsGT5Ys&feature=player_embedded#at=90
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks meherali !

The story of a man riding on a white horse goes back during the medival times ....even in bible it says that when the gates of heaven open there comes a man riding on a white horse blazing fire....then we have imam ali[as] as per shia islam


Ezekiel 26:11

The hoofs of his Horses will trample all your streets; he will kill your people with the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground.

Revelation 6:8

I looked, and there before me was a pale Horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Revelation 19:11

[The Rider on the White Horse] I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white Horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.

Revelation 19:14

The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white Horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:19

Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the Horse and his army.

Revelation 19:21

The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the Horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dome of the Rock UFO traced to Krak des Chevaliers hangar in Syria

Tel Aviv - (Pie-In-The-Sky): Erected in 1031 on a massive meteorite outcrop the ancient Crusader fortress forms the capstone of an alien civilization's subterranean silo.

Last week a mystery UFO above Israel's Dome of the Rock was traced to a hangar beneath the Krak des Chevaliers where its mothercraft launchpad is suspected of being hidden.

The stunning UNESCO World Heritage Site, known locally as Qal'at al-Hisn, stands on a 650-metre-high mound close to the Lebanese border in West Syria's Homs Governorate.

Built on strategic ley lines crisscrossing the Futile - er...Fertile! Crescent's UFO rat run the Krak may have been designed to preserve pre-Atlantean space travel secrets.

UNESCO archaeologists believe the fortified stronghold is one of a matrix of ancient Knights Hospitaliers fortresses - whose true purpose has long been covered up in a defensive campaign of concealment.

It may also shield the existence of a flooded, sunken 5th century BC palace under nearby Lake Homs, whose waters are fed by the Orontes River.

Known for centuries as the Draco this ancient fluvial passage is named after the northern sky's circumpolar constellation, suspected by 2nd century astronomer Ptolemy 'of being the seedbed of Earth's ancient forebears'.

Curiously the Hospitaliers' heraldic crest, emblazoned on the Krak's castellated portcullis, depicts the blue disc symbol of the Cat's Eye Nebula, part of Draco's awesome galactic territory.

Officially the space phenomenon was not discovered until 1786 when William Herschel first stumbled upon it with his primitive makeshift telescope.

The same blue disc was spotted on the Dome of the Rock UFO last week during its passage tracing the umbral shadow of the January 4th 2011 solar eclipse...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Puma Punku [Ancient Aliens]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ndvGrqscuY
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shiraz.virani wrote:
Puma Punku [Ancient Aliens]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ndvGrqscuY


Very interesting and amazing! This confirms Swami Sri Yukteshwar’s theory of cyclical progress of mankind’s mental capacity. I have posted this theory at:

Pre-Adam --> time period of jugs and avatar

In essence it states that mankind progresses and regresses in cycles of 24,000 years. The cycle of 24,000 is divided into 2 parts of 12,000 years comprising the four eras or yugas - Karta, Treta, Duapur, Kaliyuga. Greatest progress was made in Karta Yuga (4800 years) and then gradually there was regression into Treta Yuga (3600 years) followed by Duapur Yuga (2400 years) and finally the Kali Yuga (1200 years) – the darkest age.
These 12,000 years comprise the descending cycle of progress.

After hitting the bottom there is progress from Kali Yuga (1200 years) to Duapur Yuga (2400 years) to Treta Yuga (3600 years) and finally Karta Yuga ( 4800 years) – the most enlightened age.

According to calculations we are in the ascending Duapur Yuga. Hence some 5000 - 13000 years ago in the descending cycle mankind was far most advanced then the present age.

This explains the superiority of mankind in ages many millenniums ago. In a way we have descended from mankind who were far superior than us.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you once again meherali !

Now that we are talking about hinduism, I wanna show you this video of DWARKA the actual residing place of lord krishna that was found underneath the sea in INDIA icon_wink.gif

Lemme repeat myself again , finding DWARKA for hindus is jus like finding AgaKhans residence for ismailis !!

One thing is for sure !! ....Lord Krishna was for real and not just a fairy tale icon_smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiQrkkIKMk
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And also since we are talking about cycles I also want you to check this out as well !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7dbeb8R0kA&feature=related
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ufo caught on film !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UFO Made in Germany ????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVIZbASulC0
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shiraz.virani wrote:
UFO Made in Germany ????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVIZbASulC0



I guess you should watch startrek/starwar, you'll get fascinated. You seem a man of si fi, more than anything else, viru....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiraz,
I watch all of your videos thanks for sharing with us, ("AS I WROTE EARLIER THAT SHIRAZ'S SOME POSTS ARE VERY INFORMATIVE" this one is definitely informative and your inputs are great) but the most video which fascinate me more is the under water discoveries, that show that human being are not just 5-6 thousand years old as most of scholars believe but human being was here before 5-6 thousands years but it was existed before and destroyed. This video is the solid proof of 4 cycles and evolutionary and evolutionary process which take place after certain period of time, THIS IS ALSO GOOD PROOF THAT THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE ADAMS ( PLEASE READ OUR GINANS)
Our ginans are loaded with the theory of evolution and devolution which absolutely match with the theories of Hindu Scriptures, Vedas and Purans. interesting scholars should read these scriptures to compare with our Ginanic theory.
ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THERE IS ALWAYS DAY AFTER NIGHT OR YOU CAN SAY NIGHT AFTER DAY, here Day represent evolution and night represent devolution.
Once again thanks for sharing these videos.
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I guess you should watch startrek/starwar, you'll get fascinated. You seem a man of si fi, more than anything else, viru....


This is for the 4th time Iam repeating myself again ...Please try to educate yourself my friend ....Sci Fi = Science Fiction .....Science itself is the creation of almighty...Whatever we see in this universe....the stars, galaxies,human DNA, animals, the way every planet revolves around its own axis and so on....everything is related to science

And yes iam very much fascinated by sci-fi movies/documentaries espically that is related to being from different planet as we are not alone ....infact we never were !!!

try to read the history of ancient sumarians or egyptians...read how they created their places [pyramids] .....read the history of mayan's and see how can an uneducated man know so much about the stars

Read sanskrit scriptures and there you would come accross a vehicle called "VIMANAS"...try to find the meaning of all the above and only then come and have a healthy debate so that we can learn something from you !!! icon_smile.gif
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Shiraz,
I watch all of your videos thanks for sharing with us, ("AS I WROTE EARLIER THAT SHIRAZ'S SOME POSTS ARE VERY INFORMATIVE" this one is definitely informative and your inputs are great) but the most video which fascinate me more is the under water discoveries, that show that human being are not just 5-6 thousand years old as most of scholars believe but human being was here before 5-6 thousands years but it was existed before and destroyed. This video is the solid proof of 4 cycles and evolutionary and evolutionary process which take place after certain period of time, THIS IS ALSO GOOD PROOF THAT THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE ADAMS ( PLEASE READ OUR GINANS)
Our ginans are loaded with the theory of evolution and devolution which absolutely match with the theories of Hindu Scriptures, Vedas and Purans. interesting scholars should read these scriptures to compare with our Ginanic theory.
ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THERE IS ALWAYS DAY AFTER NIGHT OR YOU CAN SAY NIGHT AFTER DAY, here Day represent evolution and night represent devolution.
Once again thanks for sharing these videos.


Thank you brother agakhani.....

The most revolutionary discoveries in history have been those which altered the way humans perceived themselves in the universe. We discovered that the earth was not at the centre of the universe. We discovered that our Sun was a very ordinary star located in an insignificant part of an ordinary galaxy, which was only one of millions of galaxies. These discoveries should have humbled us. Yet, even today, many of us triumphantly proclaim ourselves as being the most supreme creation of God. It is common to ascribe our cherished position among all living things to our higher intellectual abilities. If we were to find out that there are other intelligent beings in the universe, and that some may be intellectually more superior to us, where would that leave us ? Would we finally be dethroned?

Sura 17:70 informs us,"Verily We have honoured the children of Adam...and preferred them above many of those whom We created with a marked preferment." Many translations fail to mention the "marked preferment" in the verse, although the verse contains the Arabic "tafzelan" which conveys this. Note that the verse mentions that there are other creatures besides humans, who have also been given a position of distinction,and humans have been preferred above many, not all of these creatures. Usmani states in a comment on this verse, "Under this verse a debate is opened:Who is superior- Man or Angel? But logically this verse does not decide the issue." Another scholar has written,"From this (verse) it is evident that whatever superiority humans have got over other creatures is not whole. Allah's creatures contain such creatures upon which humans have got no superiority.. It must be remembered here that while so far we have been discussing material alien lifeforms, the debate of man's position in creation includes both material and spiritual creatures of God. Some early authorities such as Hasan have not accepted the word "akser" mentioned in 17:70 as meaning "many". Hasan maintains that the word "akser",as used in 17:70, should be understood as meaning "all",since the same word is used in 26:233 and 10:36, where it would be inappropriate to take its meaning as "many" but rather as "all". With such a substitution in verse 17:70, the meaning would be altered to mean that man is preferred by God over all creatures.

The debate on man's status continues among scholars and also among the public. Let us make an analogy to the debate of whether man is superior to woman. Suppose for a moment that we hand the trophy to man and let him enjoy his "superior" position. On the Day of Judgement,it will only be deeds that count and good women will go to Paradise and bad men will burn in Hell. Who would have been more superior? As you can see,in the final analysis, any debate on the status of a race, or species is useless. From earlier verses mentioned in this article, the reader will remember that, according to the Quran, God will judge humans as well as aliens on the basis of their deeds and reward them accordingly.

Many humans will be sent to Hell for their wrongdoings. At the same time there will be aliens who will be rewarded for their good deeds.

Who would be more superior- the unbelieving human or the faithful alien? The answer is obvious.Therefore,what's the use of debating this point?

Status of a creature is relative to its moral conduct. Sura [95:4-5] states, "Surely We created man of the best stature,then We reduced him to the lowest of the low."
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Read sanskrit scriptures and there you would come accross a vehicle called "VIMANAS"...try to find the meaning of all the above and only then come and have a healthy debate so that we can learn something from you

If you noticed in my above post where I insisted scholars to read Hindu scripture, it is nothing wrong to read Bible, Gita, Vedas or Purans, you won't become Hindu or Christian I promise you by reading these great scriptures.

About the "viman" (in our ginanic literature its call 'PAVANRATH") it really surprise every one specially to the scientist, they can not figure out how "Viman' were possible during ancient time? but if you read Ramaayan then you will find out that during the time of Lord Rama his enemy RAVAN had "PUSHPAK VIMAN" he used this viman to kidnapp Sita. Scientist and other scholars does not believe in vimans 'THEREFORE THEY EASILY GIVE 'FATWA' THAT SCRIPTURES AND 'VIMANS' ARE JUST STORY OF IMAGINATION OF HINDU SAGES/RISHIS.

It is true that scientist still not figured out how the VIMANS were existed during ancient time? how the Pyramids were built?!! who built it? how built it? Why our ancestors were superiors than us(Mayans, Indians, Egyptian)? and so on, there are many mysteries which scientist still need to resolve, they are working on it and one of day scientist will find out and resolve these mysteries we just have to wait and till that time comes we have to keep our fingers cross.
Here are few books for those readers who wants to know more about ancient vimans:-
1, LOST CITIES: BY DAVID CHILDRES
2, PAKAL, THE MAYA ASTRONAUT:
A STUDY OF ANCIENT SPACE TRAVEL BY CHARLES WILLIAM JHOHNSON
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you once again brother aga khani for providing us with some quality info.

Do you know that during the night of miraj as mentioned in quran 17:1 , our holy prophet[PBUH] travelled to the far distant mosque on Buraq !!

An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Al-Buraq:

I was brought by the Buraq, which is an animal white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place its hoof at a distance equal to the range of vision.

Another description of the Buraq:

Then he [Gabriel] brought the Buraq, handsome-faced and bridled, a tall, white beast, bigger than the donkey but smaller than the mule. He could place his hooves at the farthest boundary of his gaze. He had long ears. Whenever he faced a mountain his hind legs would extend, and whenever he went downhill his front legs would extend. He had two wings on his thighs which lent strength to his legs.

He bucked when Muhammad came to mount him. The angel Jibril (Gabriel) put his hand on his mane and said: "Are you not ashamed, O Buraq? By Allah, no-one has ridden you in all creation more dear to Allah than he is." Hearing this he was so ashamed that he sweated until he became soaked, and he stood still so that the Prophet mounted him.


According to Islam, the Night Journey took place 12 years after rasool [saw] became a prophet, during the 7th century. rasool [saw] had been in his home city of Mecca, at his cousin's home (the house of Ummu Hani' binti Abu Thalib) in Isha'a prayer. Afterwards, rasool [saw] went to the Masjid al-Haram. While he was resting at the Kaaba, the angel Jibrail (Gabriel) appeared to him followed by the Buraq. Rasool [saw] mounted the beast, and in the company of Gabriel, they traveled to the "farthest mosque". The location of this mosque was not explicitly stated, but is generally accepted to mean Al-Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in Jerusalem.

At this location, rasool [saw] dismounted from the Buraq, prayed, and then once again mounted the Buraq and was taken to the various heavens, to meet first the earlier prophets and then Allah[swt]. Rasool [saw] was instructed to tell his followers that they were to offer prayers 50 times per day. However, at the urging of Musa[as], Rasool [saw] returns to God and it was eventually reduced to 10 times, and then 5 times per day as this was the destiny of rasool [saw] and his people. The Buraq then transported rasool [saw] back to Mecca.

In the Quran's sura, Prophet's [saw] mystic travel to the Heavens is quoted as:

Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).

—Sura, Al-Isra 17:1

Do you think rasool [saw] travelled to the far mosque on a horse ??

Do you think he travelled to various heavens on this beast ??

Was it a beast in 1st place ! Or our ancestors mistakenly treated something extraterrestrial as the flying beast ??

And above all !!!! We know not all hadiths are true , right ??? So how did rasool [saw] travelled to the far mosque ?? and on what ???
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Thank you once again brother aga khani for providing us with some quality info.

Do you know that during the night of miraj as mentioned in quran 17:1 , our holy prophet[PBUH] travelled to the far distant mosque on Buraq !!

An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Al-Buraq:

I was brought by the Buraq, which is an animal white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place its hoof at a distance equal to the range of vision.

Another description of the Buraq:

Then he [Gabriel] brought the Buraq, handsome-faced and bridled, a tall, white beast, bigger than the donkey but smaller than the mule. He could place his hooves at the farthest boundary of his gaze. He had long ears. Whenever he faced a mountain his hind legs would extend, and whenever he went downhill his front legs would extend. He had two wings on his thighs which lent strength to his legs.

He bucked when Muhammad came to mount him. The angel Jibril (Gabriel) put his hand on his mane and said: "Are you not ashamed, O Buraq? By Allah, no-one has ridden you in all creation more dear to Allah than he is." Hearing this he was so ashamed that he sweated until he became soaked, and he stood still so that the Prophet mounted him.


According to Islam, the Night Journey took place 12 years after rasool [saw] became a prophet, during the 7th century. rasool [saw] had been in his home city of Mecca, at his cousin's home (the house of Ummu Hani' binti Abu Thalib) in Isha'a prayer. Afterwards, rasool [saw] went to the Masjid al-Haram. While he was resting at the Kaaba, the angel Jibrail (Gabriel) appeared to him followed by the Buraq. Rasool [saw] mounted the beast, and in the company of Gabriel, they traveled to the "farthest mosque". The location of this mosque was not explicitly stated, but is generally accepted to mean Al-Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in Jerusalem.

At this location, rasool [saw] dismounted from the Buraq, prayed, and then once again mounted the Buraq and was taken to the various heavens, to meet first the earlier prophets and then Allah[swt]. Rasool [saw] was instructed to tell his followers that they were to offer prayers 50 times per day. However, at the urging of Musa[as], Rasool [saw] returns to God and it was eventually reduced to 10 times, and then 5 times per day as this was the destiny of rasool [saw] and his people. The Buraq then transported rasool [saw] back to Mecca.

In the Quran's sura, Prophet's [saw] mystic travel to the Heavens is quoted as:

Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).

—Sura, Al-Isra 17:1

Do you think rasool [saw] travelled to the far mosque on a horse ??

Do you think he travelled to various heavens on this beast ??

Was it a beast in 1st place ! Or our ancestors mistakenly treated something extraterrestrial as the flying beast ??

And above all !!!! We know not all hadiths are true , right ??? So how did rasool [saw] travelled to the far mosque ?? and on what ???




That still doesn't change the fact that you are a man/woman of fiction and NOT faith.

Why do you need to refer to hindu scripture, while we are lucky enough to have present (Hazir) Imam?

oh wait ... this may not apply to you, since you don't believe in Him.
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Please no personal attacks. Stick to the issues. Thanks

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That still doesn't change the fact that you are a man/woman of fiction and NOT faith.


Charles Darwin / Albert Einstein / and other famous ismaili scholars were called psycho when they used to think out of the box....so my dear friend ill take your comments as a compliment icon_smile.gif

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Why do you need to refer to hindu scripture, while we are lucky enough to have present (Hazir) Imam?


Our ginans are full of hindu gods, kings and culture ! Would you deny that ?? No !!! So if the culture that your ancestors were bought up is still practised in ismailism then what makes you think that hinduism is just bogus ??

AgaKhan is referred my many ismailis and that last avatar [dus avatar]...so would you like to comment on this ?? I guess not !!! icon_wink.gif

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oh wait ... this may not apply to you, since you don't believe in Him.


Believeing someone and worshipping someone blindly are two different concepts....I believe that Aga Khan is from the blood line of H.Imam Ali[as] and servant of god @ allah[swt]...the lord of the universe icon_smile.gif

Your read all my post including the one @ BURAK, If at all you wanted to use your head and understand the concept ....you would have even said what if prophet[saw] had a vision....like a dream and in his dream he[SAW] saw this !!! Just like H.Ibrahim[as] did...when he had a vision where god commanded him to kill his son H.Ismail[as]

But no , here you are opposing each and everything

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Its ok brother ,let him express himself....I hope that way atleast he would learn something icon_biggrin.gif
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Another UFO seen in china !

The UFO footage seen below is currently being viewed and examined by thousands of UFO enthusiasts and others on video sharing sites hosted in South Korea.

The UFO itself was seen and filmed in China by a Korean tourist at an airport in the last few months. Some viewers of the video are insisting that the event never occurred and that the object seen in it is merely the product of clever computer graphics. However, a number of researchers, upon examining the footage frame by frame, failed to find any evidence of a computer generated image within the clip and have concluded that the event may well have been real.

UFO sightings in both South and North Korea are more frequent than many might realise, however are rarely, if ever, reported by Western media. South Korea has an active community of UFO enthusiasts.

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page1199999492.php
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UFO filmed in Bolivia !

Currently making news in Bolivia is a UFO event reported to have taken place in the last few days in La Paz, the capital city.

A large disc shaped UFO was seen by at least two witnesses as it hovered briefly above a hospital (see footage below). One of the witnesses managed to film the object with his mobile phone camera.

The two witnesses subsequently appeared on the television show 'Todo Pulmon' and affirmed that the event was genuine. Local builder, Juan Carlos, noted that he "had never seen anything like it in his entire life".

The witnesses also contacted renowned Mexican UFO expert, Jaime Maussan, who examined the footage and concluded that it was genuine.

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page1199999491.php
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shiraz.virani wrote:

Its ok brother ,let him express himself....I hope that way atleast he would learn something


One (believer) can not learn anything from an unbeliever!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not hate what you do not know; for the greater part of knowledge consists of what you do not know

H.Imam Ali [as]
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Mawlana Hazir Imam in Nairobi, October 1982:

“There are certain societies, certain peoples in this world, who find it difficult to live in the 20th century and to practise their faith. They find a division between faith and science – a valley, a gulf, which they find difficult to bridge. We are fortunate we are Muslims. Islam is an eternal faith and Allah’s presence is everywhere. Not only in the past, not only in the present, but Islam is a faith of the future. And if Allah is eternal, and His presence is everywhere, then all that science does is to tell us how great is Allah’s creation. All that science does is to remind us how humble we are, how little we know, and how much more there is for science to tell us. So we can be confident, absolutely confident in our faith. We need not run away from the 20th or the 21st or 22nd century. We can participate fully in all aspects of life and human endeavour, and that is why I have said to you so often to hold strong to the Rope and be strong and steady on the course of Sirat al-Mustaqim. This is my deepest wish and it is for this that I give to each and everyone of you tonight, my special, loving blessings."
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I don't understand why you paste these Farmans, when you don't believe in Hazir Imam???

I don't not hate anything or anyone. If you felt this way, then get to open yourself to criticism, when you come here and start talking inappropriate about our beloved Hazir Imam.

Besides, this has nothing to do, with you being a man of si-fi .... I never denied/confronted science. I simply did fiction, which you are fascinated by. i.e. startrek/starwar...Stay on topic, and don't side track, viru!
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I don't understand why you paste these Farmans, when you don't believe in Hazir Imam???


I never said I dont believe in AgaKhan....what I said was that I dont believe that he'z GOD [nouzbillah] just like you do !! ....so kindly stop putting your words in my mouth ! icon_smile.gif

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I don't not hate anything or anyone. If you felt this way, then get to open yourself to criticism, when you come here and start talking inappropriate about our beloved Hazir Imam.


Yawns !!

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Besides, this has nothing to do, with you being a man of si-fi .... I never denied/confronted science. I simply did fiction, which you are fascinated by. i.e. startrek/starwar...Stay on topic, and don't side track, viru!


Well I have already cleared my stand in my very 1st post on this topic where allah[swt] himself said "Among His (God's) signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth,and the living creatures that He has scattered through them :and He has power to gather them together when He wills."

You might be thinking that human race is the only existing race in this universe which is not true !!

we were/ we are and we will be visited by the super being as long as human race is united

Dint god said in the same holy book that he created mankind in different tribes and colors so that he can test them ??

They say seeing is believing .....you see the video i.e the proof....yet you turn a blind eye...well but anyways everyone has their own opinion icon_smile.gif
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shiraz.virani wrote:

I never said I dont believe in AgaKhan....what I said was that I dont believe that he'z GOD [nouzbillah] just like you do !! ....so kindly stop putting your words in my mouth !

What do you mean, when you say "I never said I dont believe in AgaKhan...."? Please elaborate! Are you confused or something? What do you believe? what do you not believe?


shiraz.virani wrote:

They say seeing is believing .....you see the video i.e the proof....yet you turn a blind eye...well but anyways everyone has their own opinion icon_smile.gif

With techonology at your fingertip today, it doesn't take much to create a clip like one. I could do a better job....Haven't you seen any hollywood movies yet?
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