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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threats for breaking Morocco fast

A Moroccan man campaigning to change the law banning eating in public during the Muslim Ramadan fast says he has received 100 death threats this week.

Radi Omar denied that his group was anti-Islam. "We are in favour of individual freedom," he told the BBC.

Six of his colleagues are in custody after planning to eat in public last Sunday and he demanded their release.

Mr Omar said they were being well treated but he assumed they were not being fed during the fasting hours.

The group, known as the Alternative Movement for Individual Freedoms (Mali), has more than 1,200 members on its Facebook site.

They planned a public defiance of the law at the train station in Mohammedia near Casablanca last Sunday but were dispersed by the police.

The protesters were prevented from eating and so should not have been detained, Mr Omar said, adding that they have not been charged.

Under Moroccan law, eating in public during the hours of daylight, when Muslims are supposed to observe a fast, can lead to a fine and up to six months in prison.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/8262787.stm
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m0786



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kmaherali wrote

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As I mentioned in it, our Sharia is not based on the Sunna, rather it is based on the Firmans of the Imam.


So what is Farman?

Fast on Beej?

Do not fast?

Fast in any month except Ramadan?

It is OK to fast in Ramadan?
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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0786 wrote:
So what is Farman?

Fast on Beej?

Do not fast?

Fast in any month except Ramadan?

It is OK to fast in Ramadan?


The Farmsn is mentioned on page 6 of this thread. Read it for yourself.
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shiraz.virani



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ginan by PIR SADR DIN = BUJ NIRANJAN

Jo nafsaniyat ku nakhe
sab roze Ramzanke rakhe
man thi hoi shahadat bhakhe
tab lizzat Islamki chakhe
Char mazhab burhaqq kari mane
char kitabku sahi pichhane
aur Nabi sab haqq kar jan
tab tuj hove durrast iman
Wajib farz jo sat kari jane
sab ehkam arkan pichhane
roz qiyamat sahi kari mane
sab kahuku manme thane
Pade Qur'an Kitaba booje
to tuje rah Nabi ki sooje
jo mukh Ahmed kera booje
rah Niranjan ape sooje
Jo booje marag Pir Sadar'din kera
Jo hai sada kabool reh
Sab Nabiyoke Sartaj hai
Soh dule Nabi Rasul reh.


Translation:

If [you] can control your instincts,
keep all the fasts of Ramadhan,
recite Shahadah with belief,
then can relish Islam.


When [you] truly accept the four
religions [of four Prophets],
truly acknowledge the four books
[of four Prophets], and truly
recognize all the Prophets,
then you can have upright faith.

Admit the obligatory duties as Truth,
comprehend all the [Qur'anic] Commands
and Pillars,sincerely believe in the Day of Judgment,
keep all these things in mind;Read the Qur'an, understand the Book,
then you will visualize the path ofNabi [Prophet].


If [you] comprehend the mouth [teachings] of Ahmed [Muhammad], the pathway to invisible [Allah] will manifest itself. Understand the path of Pir Sadr-din which is always an accepted path. The crown of all the prophets is that beloved Nabi Rasul [Muhammad].
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kmaherali



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternate translation....

jo nafsaaniyat ku(n) naakhe
sab rozhe ramzhaan ke raakhe......................................1

When a person gains control over his/her lower self(nafs-e-amaaraa), indeed is to be regarded as having fasted the whole month of Ramadhan.

manathee hoee shahaadat bhaakhe
tab lizzat eeslaamkee chaakhe.....................................2

Then, if he recites the Kalima with the conviction of mind, he get's the taste of Islam(constant peace).

chaar mazhab barhak karee maane(jaane)
chaar kitaabku(n) sahee peechhaane................................3

When he/she regards the four religions as true and considers the four holy scriptures as true...

or(apane) nabee sab(ku) hak kar jaane
tab tuj hove durast eemaan........................................4

and when he/she believes in all the prophets, then he/she may be regarded as one with strong Imaan.

vaajab farazh jo sat karee jaane(maane)
sab ehakaam arkaan pichhaane......................................5

If he/she accepts all the religious duties and obligations, and knows all the articles of faith.

rozh kayaamat sahee karee maane(jaane)
sab kaahuku(n) maname(n) tthaane..................................6

And when he/she believes in the Day of Judgement and keeps all these matters in his/her heart...

padde kuraan kitaabaa buje
to tuje raah nabeekee suje........................................7

And then he/she studies the Holy Quran, he/she gets the real understanding of the Path of the Prophet.

jo mukh ahmad keraa buje
raah nira(n)jan aape suje.........................................8

When a person understands the teachings of Muhammed, he/she gets the realization of the path towards the unknowable(God).

re tu(n)hee, ...
jo buje maarag peer sadardeen keraa
jo hae sadaa kabul re
sab nabee-o(n)ke sartaaj hae
so dule nabee rasul re....................................XXXIII

O You, ... If one knows the path shown by Peer Sadardeen, which has been ackowledged by the Lord as being everlasting (and hence knows the Right Path). Prophet Muhammed is the most exalted of all prophets and Peer Sadardeen is his progeny.

Variant: Those who recognise the path taught by Pir Sadardeen know the sirat-ul-mustaqeem(True Path): Pir Sadardeen is like a crown on Hazrat nabi's head and nabi is the King...Salvaat.
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shabrina



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Ismailism and Ramadhan Reply with quote

Ya Ali Madad to everyone. I have read this thread and feel sad that some of the answers here are so very fanatic and not compassionate. Islam and Ismailism with guidance of Hazar Imam teaches us Unity, Purity, Love, o­neness with Allah, Uplifting our soul and balance our spiritual and material life.

I remember speaking to Abu Ali Missionary when I was 15 yrs old and I had asked him, If I come to Parorie khane and evening khane, and go to school, I can't fast because I am tired... I was young and needed excuse to not fast and I wanted to hear from Missionary to tell me it's ok. And most people in this thread seem to want to hear or say it's ok not to fast during the month of Ramadhan... icon_smile.gif ... I thought I was silly at the age of 15... but I guess things don't change for many...

Missionary sahebs answer was.... Mowla says, Ibadat is not complete if you foresake o­ne or the other... meaning zaheri or batuni life. If you don't do your worldly duties, you can never achieve your spiritual salvation. I understood the simple logic.

When Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah (Salwat) said we should not o­nly fast 1 month but 365 days... He was trying to make us realize that we need to be better then others. We fast ramadhan and then some... But we are soooo smart, like teenagers who outsmart their parents, that we turned his words and say - We are not supposed to fast.

You don't want to fast, then don't. Don't try and proove a point and mislead others.

I remember Hazar Imam saying in o­ne of recent farmans that by us getting a little freedom from him, our jamat has missused and abused the freedom!

Instead of concentrating to remove more goodness from Islam, we should concentrate removing the bad part... SUCH AS:- Revealing dresses in Khane, Ninda, Baad Najaar, Trying to slander someone's name while IN KHANE! But when Deedar time comes, We behave like we are the most Behaved and with utmost respact for Hazar Imam... Tell your children how to dress in Khane, How not to drink Alcohol, How not to sleep around with multiple partners... How to respect your own parents and elders of family and jamat... teach them about bandagi and dua... tell them to fast and come to khane atleast for the holy month. This month is holy because Qur'an was revelead during this month, Lail-tul-Qadr is in this month... what you teach is what you should see the future... by teaching wrong things, noone will suffer but yourself and your future generations.

All who try to talk non-sense about We should not fast, start thinking bettering your life and others... not wasting the chance that has been given to you by being a muslim with Qur'an as our Holy book and an ismaili with hazar imam's guidance!

Ramadhan forces you to be humble, thankful for all the materialistic blessings from Allah, and humility to understand someone else's misfortune for not having what you have. This is a way to help your soul reach an enhanced stage.

If Hazar Imam is our spiritual guide, then we should follow what he does... he fasts... so should we.

These are my feelings. You might feel different. That is ok. Allah gave us Akl, so we all use it in different manner. Use it the way it makes your ending a better o­ne icon_smile.gif

Ya Ali Madad!
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agakhani



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on fasting. Let me tell this fasting or not fasting is totally up to the any individual's own choice.
In my opinion fasting is good for our health and it stop us to do more sins specially when we fasting and it help us to attain salvation for our soul,
I also believe that being a true Muslims we should fast in Ramadan . It is never prohibited by any imam or any missionary.
Not only Muslims but other religious peoples also fasting becasue they know the benefits of fasting.
If we believe in holy Quran then we should fast because it is quoted in Quran.

Allah clearly say in holy Quran:

Code:
O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you, as it was decreed for those before you, that you may attain salvation.

So every one should fast except sick persons, travelers e.t.c.

Code:
Specific days (are designated for fasting); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.


This is a forum and every one has right to share their ideas, opinions on any topics ( it is different story for readers to beleive or not) but they can post their thoughts. I personally not accept or agree with some thoghts of other readers specialy on fasting in this post but I read all posts.
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