YA ALI MADAD <BR><BR>call it Namaz, call it Dua call it Salat, what is the difference?<BR><BR>the thing is how to Communicate with ALLAH<BR><BR>no where in Quran its mention how to pray/namaz/salat<BR><BR>Prophet told us 1400 years before<BR><BR>now, its Imam who tell us<BR>what is the point of dis agreement??<BR>i dont get it<BR><BR><BR>at that Time Muslims always said "As Salam Wa Le Kum..." , today as Shia & Ismaili we say YA ALI MADAD we we meet each other, so??<BR><BR><BR><BR>please try to relate things &Y have faith / eman o­n Imam<BR><BR>i am not saying DONT ASK QUESTION, DO ASK , DO ASK what ever problem you have , but when u get some reply try to see is that a logical reply or not!<BR><BR>regards
<BR>I am not Alwaaz, but my opinion if you r true Ismaili, you listen MAULA's farman,if HE says now it is nite, though it is day,but you must listen him.<BR>Difference between DUA n NAMAZ. in DUA apart from Quranic Ayats we also rising our hands n offering special Dua like Iman ki salamati, sehat, rozi etc, but in Namaz we r offering o­nly Quranic Ayats o­nly.
YA ALI MADAD <BR><BR>call it Namaz, call it Dua call it Salat, what is the difference?<BR><BR>the thing is how to Communicate with ALLAH<BR><BR>no where in Quran its mention how to pray/namaz/salat<BR><BR>Prophet told us 1400 years before<BR><BR>now, its Imam who tell us<BR>what is the point of dis agreement??<BR>i dont get it<BR><BR><BR>at that Time Muslims always said "As Salam Wa Le Kum..." , today as Shia & Ismaili we say YA ALI MADAD we we meet each other, so??<BR><BR><BR><BR>please try to relate things &Y have faith / eman o­n Imam<BR><BR>i am not saying DONT ASK QUESTION, DO ASK , DO ASK what ever problem you have , but when u get some reply try to see is that a logical reply or not!<BR><BR>regards
<BR>I am not Alwaaz, but my opinion if you r true Ismaili, you listen MAULA's farman,if HE says now it is nite, though it is day,but you must listen him.<BR>Difference between DUA n NAMAZ. in DUA apart from Quranic Ayats we also rising our hands n offering special Dua like Iman ki salamati, sehat, rozi etc, but in Namaz we r offering o­nly Quranic Ayats o­nly.
Namaz also include Salamati, sehat, rozi......... the only difference i think between namaz and Dua is......Namaz is for ppl who follow Prophet and Dua is for the one who r following IMAM..... they are diffrent ways to worship.. thanks...etc
Sunni Faith is based on 5 pillars. 1) Kalama, 2) Namaz, 3) Roza, 4) Zakat and 5) Hajj and Jihad (some say Jihad is its 6 pillars but I put Jihad with hajj as everyone has a unique definition of it). By pointing finger Namaz or talk wrong about it you and other disturb one pillar of it.
So which is exactly your faith?...are you following the Imam?
(until you give baiyat you can't be an ismaili..but you can follow the Imam)
If you are following the Imam..you are a Shia..and not a Sunni anymore...
and if you claim to follow the Imam..then the above statement creates a paradox for you.
Btw..i never pointed a finger at the Namaz..all i said was it wasn't the prescribed prayer for Ismailies..or followers of the Imam...
zubair_mahamood wrote:
I am just liker you but I am basically Sunni and I have to maintain myself Zahari and Bataine. Imam lives two lives and I can follow him till I die inshallah.
I am not afraid anything y I should be.
SJD
Zubair
Basically Sunni?......please elaborate on that.....Sunnism doesn't accept the concept of Imamah....so if you're basically Sunni..then you can't be a murid of the Imam....
The balance you speak of..relates to not only living your physical/material life as per the farmans of the imam (the key ones being these days helping humanity..those less fortunate then you)....and keeping the spiritual balanced...living in harmony with both your lives..
not the balance between practising sunni islam and ismailism at the same time...
i'll let you in on something that Imam has said...DO AS I SAY...NOT AS I DO...
As an Ismaili..i am not concerned with the physical body or the physical activities of the body....rather of the essence..the SOUL..the Nur of Imamah...that is present today in Shah Karim.
Sunni Faith is based on 5 pillars. 1) Kalama, 2) Namaz, 3) Roza, 4) Zakat and 5) Hajj and Jihad (some say Jihad is its 6 pillars but I put Jihad with hajj as everyone has a unique definition of it). By pointing finger Namaz or talk wrong about it you and other disturb one pillar of it.
So which is exactly your faith?...are you following the Imam?
(until you give baiyat you can't be an ismaili..but you can follow the Imam)
If you are following the Imam..you are a Shia..and not a Sunni anymore...
and if you claim to follow the Imam..then the above statement creates a paradox for you.
Btw..i never pointed a finger at the Namaz..all i said was it wasn't the prescribed prayer for Ismailies..or followers of the Imam...
Shams let me explain when I get online I see these Namaz Vs Dua…. Sunni Practices/Tradition Vs Ismaili Practices/Tradition…etc.
I am sorry to say but I see people relaying on paper work which can any time change… I am sorry again we need paper work to explain but don’t need paper work to proof our Faith… our Faith must be in Imam word but not on explanations.
I see for example I believe Dua as its better than Namaz as it has XYZ++ points then Namaz…. I believe in Zakath 12.5 not 2.5 as now the world is XYZZZZZZZZZ… I see Ismailies brother trying to explain each other we r better than other as our Practices r better than xyz.
If I say I would say I Do Dua as Imam said me to do…. I have faith in Him not in Dua/Namaz/Britney Spear/ etc. I follow Him by his word not by comparing His words with other and satisfying myself with paper explanation. Our faith should be in Imam words not on silly explanation I don’t see any Difference in Namaz and Dua they are equally Powerful Prayers (let me remind u I Did my Namaz After I had His Dedaar.. I do Dua as He says not as it has Roti, Rozu included in it) tomorrow Imam says do Namaz not Dua I will do it without asking any question.
V believe since humans creation Allah messages have been changing according to time and need of His creation. My Faith doesn’t relay on Books of any sort… Its only based on Imam… hear we r making not Imam but is teaching superior… we know Dua may change as per time what will u explain u r kids y they have stopped practicing Dua…. I think the biggest mistake what Muslim did was making his word fixed but didn’t think of Allah being Fixed…
I have taken Baiyat a BAIYAT that Imam took from me. He Selected me I don’t select him. If u think formal baiyat at Muki hand and a certificate makes someone Ismaili then I have meet many who left Imam after being Ismaili and they blame Ismaili as those who left said we were never given respect by Jamat, we were looked by suspicion and even I was a victim. I don’t go to Jamatkhana with my choice. I go for Imam. If I were not motivated by The NOOR I would have left Jamatkhana the day I applied to Traiqah board. Please don’t ever again talk about my faith. I feel insulted if someone says I am not an Ismaili. Just tell me what my fault is if I am born in Sunni family. I have always called him for Help and protection as all Ismailies do… but my way is different.
ShamsB wrote:
zubair_mahamood wrote:
I am just liker you but I am basically Sunni and I have to maintain myself Zahari and Bataine. Imam lives two lives and I can follow him till I die inshallah.
I am not afraid anything y I should be.
SJD
Zubair
Basically Sunni?......please elaborate on that.....Sunnism doesn't accept the concept of Imamah....so if you're basically Sunni..then you can't be a murid of the Imam....
The balance you speak of..relates to not only living your physical/material life as per the farmans of the imam (the key ones being these days helping humanity..those less fortunate then you)....and keeping the spiritual balanced...living in harmony with both your lives..
not the balance between practising sunni islam and ismailism at the same time...
i'll let you in on something that Imam has said...DO AS I SAY...NOT AS I DO...
As an Ismaili..i am not concerned with the physical body or the physical activities of the body....rather of the essence..the SOUL..the Nur of Imamah...that is present today in Shah Karim.
Hope this helps.
Ya Ali Madad.
Shams
I am basically Sunni mean I am basically Sunni. I see on form in the topic Is Hazar Imam God People explaining Ismailism on the bases of Bagavata Geeta and other accepting there explanation. Why did they accept it? as they have knowledge of Bagavata Geeta so they understand it. When our Pirs reach India they learn B G/ language and explained them according to the level of Faith with B G/ Gujarati but not in Farsi or with Quran.
According to Sunnah they were nearly 1.24.000 Prophets before Prophet Muhammad so every one has bought message of Allah. All books like Torah, Bible, Bhagavata Geeta, Quran will clearly explain Imam and when a Jews, Christen, Hindu, Sunni follow Imam he understand him according to his basic understanding of GOD. My basic of Allah is from Sunni traditions that y when in begging I felt Imam is Allah but I didn’t say it.
Practically speaking I also did a mistake by explaining people Namaz by comparing now I do Dua and have no explanation except God is One He I AHAD.
Shams I know Ismaili will have tough time understanding me as I didn’t learn Faith at Ismaili School but at Sunni School, as I don’t say he is Allah based on Book read but based on what I saw. I have to balance every think. I know what is True and False but don’t know what’s next. I believe Mowla and follow him.
The bottom line is that even after living as an Ismaili when I dye they will be a group who will say Zubair was an actor he was not an Ismaili.
Shams we all have limited senses.
The Limited capability of our Five senses
According to us, i.e. individual being endowed with 5 senses, there is a universe we live within and there are also other macro and micro universes. However, one should not miss the fact that all these determination are relative to the data acquired through our eyes.
Now, let us suppose that the room we are in at the movement was taken, as example, and its ceiling was removed before it was placed onto the slide of an electro microscope with a capacity of 60 million times magnificence. And then we went up to have a look through that microscope down to the room we were inside just a while ago. What would we be seeing then?
We would not be able to observe any material object any more after they are magnified to a billion times, but instead we would be observing their atomic components then. Imagine what would happen if this magnification reached up to 60 billion time? All the object in our sight such as chairs, tables, people and everything in the room would entirely disappear, so would our brain’s commentary on its surrounding prior to the microscope experience and unconsciously we would utter the following in astonishment:
“Hey! What is going on! There is nothing here! Nothing but atoms with nuclei and electrons moving around them! Well bu where have all the people and the object gone?
The brain who arrived at the view above is no one other than the brain who used to determine the presence of people and objects only a minute ago, prior to looking through the microscope. The things did not change. Neither did the brain at all; but an additional range was added as a change to the capacity of perceptive instrument so that the range of perception be transformed. It is that brain’s evolution of its surrounding alter as the capacities of its sensory means transform.
The discernment of the brain will transform into a new level each time the sensory range is increased or altered. Here, the brain’s determination according to the conditions of its normal sensory means that there were a number of things and people existent altered to a different discernment after the change that there is nothing but only atoms present, countless number f electrons orbiting nuclei.
What would happen if we were to live on such a series of powerful lenses like those in an electro microscope, form birth to death? If we were to perceive the world all our lives through such an electro microscope , as in the example, what would be real to us? Would we still b able to claim the existence of those things as we determine now at this movement??? Or would we defend the idea that everything around us, the world, the space and everything we perceive is just whole one absolute substance composed of atoms???
Still further, if our brains were to be in a condition of observing the universe through an electro microscope with a capacity of 10 trillion times, would we still be speaking of separate, independent “things” and people any more? Or would we understand the existence of the unseparated, undivided, ever-abiding, limitless and infinite One that is “AHAD”?
Hopefully I am making our idea clear to you.
What I am trying to explain at this point we have arrived at is that: the only ONE that exists in ABSOLUTE REALITY is the infinite and external ONE, who is undivided, unbroken WHOLE, the AHAD! ALLAH is AHAD as there is nothing other than “Allah” neither in macro nor in micro plan, and there is nothing to be his counterpart, like or to match Him!
You know this……….
LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHUL-HAY-YUL-QAY-YUM;
LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHUL-MALIKUL-HAQ-QUL-MUBIN:
LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHUL-MALIKUL-HAQ-QUL-YAQIN:
LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHU MALIKU YAWMID-DIN
There is no deity except Allah, the Ever-Living, the Eternal.
There is no deity except Allah, the Sovereign, the Ultimate Truth, the Evident:
There is no deity except Allah, the Sovereign, the Ultimate Truth, the Certainty:
There is no deity except Allah. the Lord of the Day of Judgment:
However, because of our dependence on our normal sensory means, we are fooled into thinking in which we mistakenly view the whole ONE existence to be composed of many separate parts or fragments. It must be understood that our brains determination is in accordance with the condition of its sensory means, it is that our current way of fragmenting the world into parts results from the capacity of our intersecting- perceptive- instruments.
However, if only the brain didn’t remain restricted in that very narrow range of the perception capability, if only he could understand and interpret all the perception phenomena evident to five senses as signs and samples drawn out among countless sensory experiences in the cosmos…. If only after that he could sink into deep thought and discover what else is out there after these samples… if then he could sail to a dimensional journey into the constitutional depth of these countless yet unknown phenomena… and there he could meet with the cosmic self the cosmic Essence and could finally realize the non-existence of his individual self, in anyways.. This is the most significant point of the theme!
They were different Believes, Hopes, Practices and Tradition existed before which have changed they will be different Believes, Hopes, Practices and Tradition which may change but Allah will not.
If Ismailies practices are right and Non Ismailies practices are wrong then tell me who has created Non Ismailies? Allah has…. That’s y I don’t see nothing wrong in anything I respect Shacharit, Puja, Namaz, Dua, all other practices. But I do Dua only as Imam said so not that it better or superior…. I am an Ismaili but my bases are not form Gujarat or my parent are not Hindus nor my grand parent were so I understand Ismailism from Quran and Hadith not from Bahagavat Geet or ginnas. Please understand me.
we can discuss Fiath but now... I need some important information regarding fasting;; can u help me,,,, please reply me soon.
Zubair. You seem like a very intelligent person. I welcome you as my spiritual brother, although I am a little confused on the bases of your belief. You say that you believe in the farmans of the Hazar Imam, yet you are not following them. Our salat has been transformed and evolved ever since the time of RasoolAllah(saws), because we have followed our beloved Prophet's orders of following the Imam of the time. This is the only sect in Islam which has the ahl of our beloved Prophet Muhammad(saws), the ahl which our prophet said that would be tied with the Quran until the day of judgement. Now if we are told to follow the Imam until the day of judgement, then we cannot do something which he has told us to change, for example, we used to say namaaz at the time of Prophet Muhammad(saws), and it has evolved into our holy Dua. Now if the Imam of the time has told us to say our Dua, then I think we should say our Dua. I don't know what your situation is like, and I bet I cannot even imagine how it feels like to be in your shoes. I can understand that you do not want to let your family find out about your beliefs, but I think that should be the only reason why you do perform namaaz...only because you don't want your parents to find out. However, when you say that there is no proof that this is the right sect, we have the biggest proof, our IMAM. If it was true that our Imams were not the real ahl of the Prophet, don't you think that the Imammat would have died off by now (nauzbillah)? Don't you think that all our enemies would have destroyed the lineage of our beloved Imams? It is not POSSIBLE. It is IMPOSSIBLE. We have been promised by our Imams that they will be with us until the Day of Judgement. He has been here before creation, nonstop, even before time, but manifest since Prophet Muhammad(saws). This is not the only proof. If you believe, and you go into the Quran and our Ginans written by our beloved Pirs, which ISMS has challenged humanity by saying that by studying the ginans and the Quran side by side you will find every verse of the Ginans are stated in the Holy Quran. The proofs are there, it is just that a lot of us have not found them. I am sure by studying these you will be able to tell your family about your beliefs as an Ismaili, and I pray that Inshallah they will be able to accept you for what you believe in, and Inshallah they will know the true path.
Last thing I wanted to tell you Zubair was that I was a little thrown off by you saying that you are Sunni. I was interested in what you had to say, but that part totally through me off. Our beloved Imam keeps reminding us that we are "Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims" in his farmans. So then how can you be a Sunni? I hope I misunderstood that sentence, and hope for clarification in your future posts. Thank you Zubair, I will pray for your success my spiritual brother, and I would also hope that you enlighten us all with how you started believing in the sat panth.
I have already cleared that why did I write I am sunni. I come from a sunni family so I understand thing will sunni prospective that it! I have not other sense. When I meet people today I say I am a Muslim and if they ask me further about my sect I tell them I am an Ismaili. I don’t introduce my self sunni Muslim.
Second thing is I didn’t have a proof that Hazar Imam and Ismailies are on right path. I had Dedaar of Hazar Imam so I follow him, I have left all traditional practices what I had been practicing before its tough to forget 24 years of once life but I am trying my best. And about material proof’s like books and other document I don’t think it can change anyone believe and faith. Sunni Muslim’s basic about Imamate is that Mowla Ali is The First Imam appointed by Prophet but while practicing not one really teachers or follows his word other Khalifas words are taken into consideration.
Today I don’t think it matter to me if my family knows about my faith. I am at stage of life that they will soon come to know about my faith. hope thing go well.
Thanks for writing me and I am sorry for replying u late as I don’t have net connection.
Are we not happy that our Imam of the Time has given us farmans that have allowed us to live ahead of our time... exactely 840 years ahead of our time in the case of the following:
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Turkey: Fatwa allows Muslims to pray just three times a day
Ankara, 10 Oct. (AKI) - Turkish Muslims will be allowed to pray only three times a day from Wednesday instead of the usual five - without fear of committing a sin.
A member of the scientific council of Istanbul University, Muhammad Nour Dughan, has issued a controversial fatwa or religious edict cutting Islamic prayer requirements from five to three times a day.
The move has provoked widespread debate as well as opposition from orthodox imams or Muslim clerics.
Sharia law allows for the possibility of praying three times a day in case of sickness or travel.
The fatwa extends this option allowing Muslims to pray three times a day, especially when they are heavily committed with work or personal issues.
The Turkish debate echoes a similar one that has already taken place in Egypt where the fatwa has also drawn support.
Jamal al-Banna, brother of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hasan al-Banna, endorsed the Turkish move.
"Merging prayers has become a modern necessity," he told the al-Arabiya website. "In most cases, people do not always perform the five prayers on time due to the pressures of modern life."
Al-Banna is often criticised for his modern interpretation of Islamic rules. He said the Prophet Mohammad himself had given followers this option that could be applied when prayers cannot be carried out in a given time.
A member of Egypt's Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, Sheikh Youssef al-Badri, rejected the argument saying it was unacceptable to merge prayers unless it was due to travel, illness, rain or pilgrimage.
As Salamu Alikum Warahmantu Allah Wabaraktu,<BR><BR>As I am Ithna As Sharei I am not familar with this salah duaa can some o­ne please explain it and give its details,<BR>
As Salamu Alikum Warahmantu Allah Wabaraktu,<BR><BR>As I am Ithna As Sharei I am not familar with this salah duaa can some o­ne please explain it and give its details,<BR>
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