Sati maa roza

star_munir · Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 1602

Ya Ali Madad

Do any one have some information about sati ma roza?what is its historical background or what is its story?

Nowadays it is called as Shah Mowla ka roza.

sheinaz · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 21

Mowlana Rojo also used to be known as Sataimah jo Rojo because it is performed on the seventh day of the new month (after Chand Raat). As with all other Rites and Ceremonies, it has been established by our Holy Imams.

The popular reason is for Mushkil Asaan for those who keep this Rojo from
dawn to about midday. Actually the majalis for this mandli is done before
midday on that specific day with nyaaz and juro and ginans (or originally
with the Kathiyawaare ji vaarta) or now with Kalam-e-Mowla

As far as we know, only the name has changed but the majalis is still
performed in the same manner - at least in many parts of the world.In
London, England, Majlas is performed in the morning around 10:30, and in
Canada in the evenings.

star_munir · Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 1602

Thank you for reply.will you please write Kathawaree ji waarta or tell about it in short ?

layla · Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 65

I haven't read the whole Khathiyaare ji waarta, but from what I can recall, its a story about a woodcutter who had all sorts of calamities fall on him and his family, and then for Muskhil aasan he was told to keep "rojo" and seek help from Ali, and hence understand that Ali is the ultimate savior.

star_munir · Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 1602

Thanks for reply.
Do any one know the complete story?

star_munir · Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 1602

Why this story is not recited nowadays?

nagib · Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 294

Satima jo Rojo [the name comes from 7th] is performed the 7thy day of the new moon.

The story of Surbanr , the woodcutter who was the disciple of Pir Shams was recited during the Mijlas for centuries but few decades ago the tradition was lost in the same manner many other traditions are lost. You just need to say Hazar Imam has said this and that and people would not question you.

For example, today you can go to some counties like Afghanistan and tell them "Hazar Imam has said to abandon the Chandraat that you are performing since a century", they will not question, they will just abandon. Or you can tell them "Hazar Imam has said you should close Baitul Khayal" and they will close it. They will not question because they are so innocent that they would not think that someone working closely with the Imam [or pretending to do so] can take the name of the Imam and tell lies to them.... And this is true, some khojas have recently gone to Afghanistan and started corrupting all their past traditions and beliefs, instead of helping the Afghan Jamat to revive them. Even Talibans were not able to do the damage that some khojas are doing there.

In our own jamats, There is already a trend to minimise the importance of Satima jo rojo. People have lost the sens that this mijlas is not only a mijlas of Mushil Assan but it is the highest mijlas in Ismaili faith, higher then any other whose name we know and whose name we do not know.

The truth of Satima jo Rojo is present in many religious traditions beside ours. Just do some research on Mushkil Asaan and Mushkil Khusha [or Mushkil Gusha]. Even Mesopotamian religions had a connection to the celebrations of this mijlas. And I have a lot of respect for the old religions of Mesopotamia which disappear thousands of years ago. I respect them because they had retain even the names of several of our Imams which Pir sadardin has quoted but which can not even be found in Hindu or any other sources.

Nagib
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star_munir · Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 1602

Ya Ali Madad and thank you

Aly_shallwani · Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 101

Mowla has told people not to do this majlis but people are not getting it and if Mukhi saheb refuses to do majlis in jamat khana then they do it at their homes which is probably not good at all i dont know why these ladies are doing so if Hazir imam has told us that now there is no need of this majlis>>>>>

nagib · Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 294

kmaherali · Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 9913

It seems to me inconceivable how a Mandli that takes place in JK would not be sanctioned by MHI. Appointments are made of the Mukhi/Kamadia by himself through his institutions.

As I reflect on his Farmans and speeches, it becomes very apparent to me that rather than giving up centuries of tradition, he is giving more emphasis or their revival and revitalisation.

sammeghji · Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 2

YA ALI MADAD

I cant remember any taliqa of SMS or MHI in which they told people not to do this majlis at JK.However some other majalis are not to be allowed to do in JK or at home by MHI just like Thari or Rot and some others and they will not perform in last few years in JK but some people perform them at home. But Sati maa ka roja is conduct by the jamat's mukhiyari and kamadiari and not any other mukhi kamadia are appointed for this and it is conducted by the permission of MHI.

Now a days the story is not telling in jamat khana and also the name of this roja is change by the name of SHAH MAWLA KA ROZA or some persons call it MUSHKIL ASAAN KA ROZA because it has a concept of mushkil aasaan.

Yam

panjwaniamir · Joined: 18 Sep 2003 Posts: 17 Location: Planet Earth

Ya Ali Madad,

I don't know whether any body got their proper answer on this topic. But what I have heard from Missionary Abualy Aziz's waez that this rojo is not compulsory, and this is not even Shah Mowla jo rojo. Missionary has explained in his waez with the incident of Imam Aga Ali Shah Datar. Plus he also mentioned about the kaathiara ji waarta, which is not even our Ismaili nor Islamic story.

If any body want the waez please let me know, I have already uploaded it at one of the site.

Admin · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 1752

Satmirat jo rojo as Hazar Imam calls it in one of his talika of which I have a copy [in another talika, he calls it Satima jo Rojo], is not a compulsory fast. The fast should only be performed by people who need or want the benefit of the majlis.

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