Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: SOUL OR SPIRIT?
shamsu wrote:
ROOH is translated as soul by some and spirit by others.
What is the essential difference between Soul and Spirit?
Please tell me have you noticed "Soul" translated as "Spirit". In other words, please refer to the farman quoted earlier:
Quran says Khalaqakum min nafsin wahidatin. This means that God says to you, He is addressing men and women and He says He has made you out of one soul. ...."
I do not see the word "Rooh" or "Spirit" in "Khalaqakum min nafsin wahidatin" but "Nafsin" and "Soul".
So there is a difference. In fact, I have quoted the verse regarding spirit - it is not ?
Also, Regarding Holy Spirit, Quran reveals in chapter 2 (verse 253)
Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: to one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.
I would appreciate if you can tell me which known translator has translated the Holy Spirit as a Soul.
So please compare both the aforesaid verses and you should know the difference.
Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: SOUL OR SPIRIT?
shamsu wrote:
ROOH is translated as soul by some and spirit by others.
What is the essential difference between Soul and Spirit?
Please tell me have you noticed "Soul" translated as "Spirit". In other words, please refer to the farman quoted earlier:
Quran says Khalaqakum min nafsin wahidatin. This means that God says to you, He is addressing men and women and He says He has made you out of one soul. ...."
I do not see the word "Rooh" or "Spirit" in "Khalaqakum min nafsin wahidatin" but "Nafsin" and "Soul".
So there is a difference. In fact, I have quoted the verse regarding spirit - it is not ?
Also, Regarding Holy Spirit, Quran reveals in chapter 2 (verse 253)
Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: to one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.
I would appreciate if you can tell me which known translator has translated the Holy Spirit as a Soul related to verse 2(253).
So please compare both the aforesaid verses and you should know the difference.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 2:41 am Post subject: What is Rooh? Quran 17 : 85
My Question was with respect to this Ayat.
I think this ayat defines Rooh. In Arabic the word Nafs is also used to refer to soul. The original Arabic in this ayat is Rooh....
Our Imam refers to us as Spiritual children but when someone dies he blesses the Souls of the deceased. What is this riddle?
017.085
YUSUFALI: They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"
PICKTHAL: They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little.
SHAKIR: And they ask you about the soul. Say: The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 4:21 am Post subject: Re: What is Rooh? Quran 17 : 85
shamsu wrote:
My Question was with respect to this Ayat.
I think this ayat defines Rooh. In Arabic the word Nafs is also used to refer to soul. The original Arabic in this ayat is Rooh....
Our Imam refers to us as Spiritual children but when someone dies he blesses the Souls of the deceased. What is this riddle?
017.085
YUSUFALI: They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"
PICKTHAL: They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little.
SHAKIR: And they ask you about the soul. Say: The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little.
Shamsu everything has been discussed in Pre-Adam. You wanted to know the difference between soul and spirit I have conveyed the difference very clearly by quoting the verses of the Quran and other things. It is clear you are in a confusion. People are in a confusion when God rejects them from Guidance - well this is what the Quran mention.
Soul does not die and Soul gets unclean when you go on sinning, doing evil and bad things and unproper things - Quran reveals there is rebirth and soul goes on changing forms until they meet their final destination. It, amongst other things, depends on the deeds of the person. Your rebirth can be as a stone or an iron, etc. depending upon the deeds. So when one dies the jamat prays that the soul which has sinned be pardoned of his sins, etc. The Lord's blessing is required to purify the soul, etc. because He is the Lord of Judgment.
It appears you do not want the Lord to purify your sins. In such a case, I pray to God not to purify the soul of Shamsu, either here or hereafter and land him to eternal hell. Now Shamsu are you happy ?
Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 4:36 am Post subject: Re: What is Rooh? Quran 17 : 85
That Ayat =
As far as soul is concerned, Quran is very clear on this subject. People are created from the Soul of Allah. Soul goes on sinning, it goes on changing forms, etc. etc. So the question of Soul connected with "you are not given aught of knowledge but a little" does not arise. However, the spirit - that is an experience for those who experiment it.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 10:40 am Post subject: Re: What is Rooh? Quran 17 : 85
Quote:
It appears you do not want the Lord to purify your sins. In such a case, I pray to God not to purify the soul of Shamsu, either here or hereafter and land him to eternal hell. Now Shamsu are you happy ?
My Dear Spiritual Brother,
I certainly appreciate the Noor you have kindly shared with everyone.
I hope Mowla enlightens you with Noor upon Noor every second of every day.
Are you sure purification of sin is the best destination for sins
Pir Sadardin has said in Buj Niranjan part 6
jo gur muj par kare eenaayat
to gunaaha mere sab hove taaet....................................6
Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: What is Rooh? Quran 17 : 85
shamsu wrote:
Quote:
It appears you do not want the Lord to purify your sins. In such a case, I pray to God not to purify the soul of Shamsu, either here or hereafter and land him to eternal hell. Now Shamsu are you happy ?
My Dear Spiritual Brother,
I certainly appreciate the Noor you have kindly shared with everyone.
I hope Mowla enlightens you with Noor upon Noor every second of every day.
Are you sure purification of sin is the best destination for sins
Pir Sadardin has said in Buj Niranjan part 6
jo gur muj par kare eenaayat
to gunaaha mere sab hove taaet....................................6
Quote:
Now Shamsu are you happy?
Imam SMS Farman from Ruhani Raaz
"Momin ne khushi athva nakhushi sha maate joiye"
I have not shared the Noor but the knowledge - I am not the owner of the Noor that I can share the Noor. Noor upon Noor means succession of Noor from one form to another - and the present rules of succession are quite clear. In fact you even admitted this in Pre-Adam postings - is it not.
You mention: "Are you sure purification of sin is the best destination for sins."
Again you are confused - purification of sin from a person is that the person is free of all sins. Shamsu - go read the books and use the intellect and you will know what is what - this is in the farmans. After you have gained enough knowledge from the books you spread your knowledge not your confusion one after another.
Pir Sadardeen had taught us How to do Dua Karavi and we say "Bando sar ta pav gunhegaar"
Imam SMS did do Enayat on him and has said about Pir Sadardeen in Farman45 Kalame Imame Mubeen
"Tene kadhi pun buru kaam karyu nathi"
To get gunnah purified is best but to get them to turn into bandagi I think is better than that. This can only happen with mowla's enayat.
Ya Aly Madad
Shamsu - Now you are trying to say the farmans proves the Ginans/Quran wrong. Please do not be that dumb - Suddenly you are diverting to the Ginans.
You mention
[color=black]"Haq Noor, Sat Noor, Brahma kahe so Noor"
Hence the words Rasulillah(swt) are Noor (Quran or Hadith)
"Gnan ma to Saheb cche"
==== Your intrepretation is wrong because this falsifies the Quran/Farmans - OK.
The verse which mention that = Allah is the Light (Noor) of the heavens and the Earth and it also mentions the Noor is His. We discussed this in Pre-Adam/Pre-Adam under History. We also discussed that Moses was told to get Noorani deedar of Ali. I also quoted verses from the Quran regarding the Holy Prophet getting Zahiri and Noorani Deedar of Allah.
I have been given to understand that in Farman No.51 - Kalam E Imam E Mubin (Holy Farmans of Mawlana Hazar Imam Sultan Mohomed Shah) - Imam says that God's Noor is Light.
So Shamsu - stop your rumor mongering business that Noor is Farman. Noor is Noor and Farman is Farman.
Regarding - he did not sin - Sultan Mohd mentioned that knowingly unknowingly people sin - Jesus Christ said that even a very good person will sin at least seven times a day. So though Pir Sadardeed did not do any bad thing - unknowingly he did sin - this is the law:
Yusuf - 12
53) "Nor do I absolve my own self (of blame): the (human soul) is certainly prone to evil unless my Lord do bestow His Mercy: but surely certainly my Lord is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful."
We follow the farman of the Lord like going to Jamatkhana, Praying, etc. and after the mercy from the Lord the soul is purified. Again the soul is prone to evil. Again we ask for forgiveness of the sin - Again the soul is purified due to mercy of the Lord, etc. etc. This process continues.
The mercy depends, amongst other things, on the Deeds of the person. Lord appointed Iblis as the Leader of Angels - When he did wrong - his position was that of an unbeliever.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 5:59 pm Post subject: farman makes paak
ALLAAH EK KHASAM SABUKAA
BY PEER HASSAN KABEERDEEN
ejee allaah ek khasam sabukaa, duneeyaa usakee saaree
aveechal naam khudaava(n)d bhanneeye
or sab meetteeyaa keree baajee
illaahee bhed ta(n)tav naam leeje
aapnne jeevdde kee chee(n)taa re momanbhaai keeje
aapne jeevddeku(n) dozakh na deeje..illaahee.................1
Allah is the only Lord of everything, the entire world is His(or under His command).
Understand the name(attribute) of the Lord as being eternal and everlasting and
the rest is all perishable and illusory. Extract(or obtain) the Divine mysteries from
the essence of His name(by constant remembrance and contemplation).
O brother momins, be mindful about the condition of your souls and do not
condemn your souls to hell.
ejee nabee mahamad bujo bhaai, to tame paamo imaam
musharak man to kaafar kaheeye, moman deel kuraan..illaahee..2
Brothers, know Prophet Muhammed, then you will attain the Imaam. Only a kaafir
(infidel) has polytheistic tendencies in his/her mind(heart). But a momin's heart is
enlightened by Holy Qur'aan.
ejee paak paanee farmaane huvaa, sarovar nadeeyaa jaannee
befarmaanee paak na hove, jo dhove so paanee..illaahee......11
The water(soul) is purified by obedience to the commands(Farmaans). In this way the ocean
(Imaam) knew(came into contact with) the rivers(mureeds). The ones who disobey the
Farmaans will not be purified even if they wash themselves in water.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 8:43 pm Post subject: Ginan is Farman of Pir
Ginan is Farman of the Pir
The 50th Pir is Mowlana Shah Karim Al-Husayni.
The Farmans of Mowla are actually the Ginans of today while he makes them in his Pir Joma.
Reference Girbhavali
"Gnanma Shakshat Brahm nirinjan kahiyen"
KIM Farman 93 page 226
Imam Sultan Mohd Shah "Ame jetla deevas ahiyan cchiye, tetla deevas hamesha aavshu ane harroj tamne farman karshu. Jetla deevas ame ahiyan cchiye tetla deevas hamesha Noor nu Pani tamara dil ma redshu ane tamara Dil Noorani karshu. Tame pun hamesha sambhadva aavjo to tamne gano faydo thashe"
Clearly Imam has defined Farman as Noor nu pani
KIM I Farman 95 page 229
"Tamoae amne tamaro hath aapelo cche ane tame amari pannah ma ccho tyare, tamaro haath beejane nahi aapo; karran ke tamara ane amara vacche kai judai nathi"
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