How are the pirs related? && A few other Pir questio

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:48 pm

All I know is Pir Sadardin is Pir Hassan Kabirdin's father. I have no idea how they are related to others, if they are. I find these things quite interesting.. Here are a few Pirs so you dont have to go looking..

Pir Sadardin
Pir Imaam Shaah
Pir Hasan Kabirdin
Pir Indra Imaamdin
Pir Indra Imam Shah
Pir Imaam Shaah
Pir Hassan Shaah
Pir Sat Gur Soho Dev
Pir Abdal Nabi
Pir Taajdin
Pir Saahebdin
Sayyed Mohammad Shaah
Sayed Imam Shaah
Sayyed Fateh Ali Shaah
Pir Miraa Sayyed Khaan
Sayyed Jalaal

Now, is Pir Shams also known as Pir Shamash? And also is he Pir Shamsh Sabzwari?? Thankkss!

And

What is the difference between a Sayyed && a Pir??

And who was Sayyed Fateh Ali Shaah?? I sing his Ginan, "Nar Nakalank Keri" all the time and if someone has background knowledge, that would be appreciated.. thankss!

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:03 pm

Ohh Yaahh! And also a timeline.. Im sure we have one on our site somewhere, but I have no idea where so please hook me up with the dates the Pirs were around.. Thankss!

I know Pir Sadardin and Pir Hasan Kabardin where around the time when Imam Islam Shah, when Anant Akhado was composed.. The story is really cool... anyways thankss!

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:47 am

Prince,
Your questions needs lots of time to give anwer, so I would suggest you to read one book name "PIR PADHARYA AAPNE DWAR 1-2" written by a well known missionary if you know the Gujarati language, this books are encyclopedia of our all 50 Pirs and will give you answer of your all questions.
You can also listen follwing waez which are available in Ismaili.net
1,History of Imam and Pirs waez # 634
2,History of Imam and Pirs waez # 635
3,Pir ki Batein waez #522
4,Pir ki Wadi waez # 0016
5,Pirs waez # 822
6,Pir waez # 837
7,Pir Sadrdin waez # 715
many other waez also contain stories of Pirs, History of Pirs, miracle done by pirs e.t.c.
Pir Shamsh and Pir Shamsh Sabjwari were different person.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:03 pm

You will get autobiographical information at:

http://www.ismaili.net/herocont.html

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:59 pm

Thank you guys..! Unfortunately I can't read Gujarati, but I am glad I can understand it (some what).. But thanks for the waezes && links!

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:10 pm

agakhani wrote:Pir Shamsh and Pir Shamsh Sabjwari were different person.

Also, I am pretty sure you are mistaken.. After reading

http://www.ismaili.net/hero/hero22.html

I think Pir Shamsh's full name was Pir Shamsh Sabjwari..

Can anyone clarify? Thanks!

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:04 pm

There is another interesting account of Pir Shamas here

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=5051

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:28 am

Also, I am pretty sure you are mistaken.. After reading

Thanks, I looked the books I mentioned above and find out that there were THREE different persons whoes name were Shams and they all were contemporary:-
1, IMAM SHAMSHUDDIN ( ISMAILI IMAM)
2, PIR SHAMSH ( ISMAILI PIR)
3, SHAMSH TABREZ ( FOLLOWER OF MOWLANA RUMI)
Our pir Shams also called Sahmsh Sabzwari because he was born in Sabzwar, Iran. Thanks for correcting me.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:48 am

agakhani wrote: 3, SHAMSH TABREZ ( FOLLOWER OF MOWLANA RUMI)

He was the Murshid of Mowlana Rumi and not the follower.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:59 am

[quote="kmaherali"][quote="agakhani"]
3, SHAMSH TABREZ ( FOLLOWER OF MOWLANA RUMI)
THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME THE ENGLISH WORD OF "MURSHID"?
Are we not followers of MHI?

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:20 pm

agakhani wrote:
kmaherali wrote:
agakhani wrote: 3, SHAMSH TABREZ ( FOLLOWER OF MOWLANA RUMI)
THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME THE ENGLISH WORD OF "MURSHID"?
Are we not followers of MHI?
Murshid is the Spiritual Guide/Master.

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:39 pm

prince_visram wrote:Ohh Yaahh! And also a timeline.. Im sure we have one on our site somewhere, but I have no idea where so please hook me up with the dates the Pirs were around.. Thankss!

I know Pir Sadardin and Pir Hasan Kabardin where around the time when Imam Islam Shah, when Anant Akhado was composed.. The story is really cool... anyways thankss!

I found a Timeline! I knew it was on our site somewhere and I ended up finding it here in case anyone else was looking:

http://www.ismaili.net/drupal5/book/export/html/18429

OR

http://www.ismaili.net/heritage/book/export/html/18421

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:08 pm

prince_visram wrote:
prince_visram wrote:Ohh Yaahh! And also a timeline.. Im sure we have one on our site somewhere, but I have no idea where so please hook me up with the dates the Pirs were around.. Thankss!

I know Pir Sadardin and Pir Hasan Kabardin where around the time when Imam Islam Shah, when Anant Akhado was composed.. The story is really cool... anyways thankss!
I found a Timeline! I knew it was on our site somewhere and I ended up finding it here in case anyone else was looking:

http://www.ismaili.net/drupal5/book/export/html/18429

OR

http://www.ismaili.net/heritage/book/export/html/18421

Is there a copy of this chart in english?

http://www.ismaili.net/drupal5/node/18478

Thank you!!

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:30 am

Is there a copy of this chart in english?

If you use google toolbar then it offer you translation servie from French to English languge, just click translate button and it will translate in English. If you do not have Google then you must need to download Google toolbar first.

I tried google translation service it works fine.

Yahoo tool bar also offer this kind services, there are few other website also give this kind services free. Just type free translation service in address bar and choose any web site you like.

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:43 pm

agakhani wrote:Is there a copy of this chart in english?

If you use google toolbar then it offer you translation servie from French to English languge, just click translate button and it will translate in English. If you do not have Google then you must need to download Google toolbar first.

I tried google translation service it works fine.

Yahoo tool bar also offer this kind services, there are few other website also give this kind services free. Just type free translation service in address bar and choose any web site you like.

Thanks! This worked great...

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:56 pm

Here is a bit of research I have found && put together (mainly from this site!):

Pir Sadardin had five sons:
Pir Hasan Kabiruddin,
Zaherdin,
Sa’ahuddin,
Jamaluddin
Pir Tajuddin

Pir Hasan Kabiruddin (Pir Sadardin`s Son) had eighteen sons and one daughter:
Sayed Awaliya Ali,
Sayed Kasiruddin,
Sayed Ali Gohar Nur,
Sayed Alam Shah,
Sayed Rehmatullah Shah,
Sayed Adil Shah,
Sayed Jafar Shah,
Sayed Israil Tayyar Ghazi,
Sayed Shahbaz Ghazi, Sayed Sabe Ali,
Sayed Islam Shah,
Sayed Imam Shah,
Sayed Farman Shah,
Sayed Ismail,
Sayed Nur Muhammad,
Sayed Darwish Ali,
Sayed Lal Shah,
Sayed Bala Shah Buland Ali,
Daughter: Bai Budhai.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:48 pm

You can also find answers of your questions in book "A brief history of Ismailism" by Abualy missionnary.

www.ismaili.net

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