Ismaili.NET - Heritage F.I.E.L.D.Defenses Glorifying the Aga Khan filed in federal Court - 2010-04-29
In a surprisingly rapid twist of events, both Mr Tajdin and Mr Jiwa have filed their respective statements of Defense this 29th of April 2010. They affirm to being devoted followers who will unconditionally abide by the wishes of the Aga Khan, whom they glorify in their defense.
Mr Tajdin declares that:
He has not been served yet but the ethics imposed upon him by his faith demands that he should not keep in ignorance the public by being silent on the issue and should clarify all of the facts, pertaining to this lawsuit, of which he is aware.
He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of his wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.
He has been printing Farman books since 1992 with approval and instructions from the Imam received on August 15, 1992 in Montreal.
He has not received any communication from the Imam from 1992 to 2009 instructing him to stop publication.
He cannot stop publication without instruction from the Imam as this would be a breach of his oath of allegiance to the Imam.
All Farman publications were financial deficit projects done as a volunteer service and large numbers of books were distributed free of charge.
Farman sharing is a historic Ismaili tradition which still continues today.
The current Ismaili Constitution does not restrict the right to publish Farmans
Mr Tajdin concludes that:
He has no choice but to await further direct instructions from the Imam.
He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of His wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.
Mr Jiwa states that:
"This action does not appear to have been authorized personally by the Aga Khan .."
"In distributing Farman books obtained from Tajdin to other Ismailis, he has not violated either the Ismaili Constitution or any Farmans"
He has not violated the copyright act as "Tajdin was given express authority by the Imam" and regardless of the fact that "the limitations period provided for by the Copyright Act also bars this action as the books containing the Farmans were commenced publication in the year 1992", he will still do whatever the Imam tells him to do.
Mr Jiwa clarifies finances:
He "obtains these books for C$50.00 from Tajdin and sells it for C$50.00, without any profit.
"All monies received by him from the sale of (other) books after 2005 were delivered to the Jamatkhanas"
Mr Jiwa further states that:
"If the Imam edited the Farman before releasing to the Jamats, in effect he is superceding the Farman he made orally previously."
He "unconditionally reconfirms his oath of allegiance to his Imam" and "if the Imam does not desire his Farman books to be distributed to the Jamats (...) this defendant will submit to the instructions of His Imam without reservation whatsoever"
Replies From the Plaintiff are due within 10 days, and Affidavits of Documents are due 30 days later.
[Update from May 6: Ogilvy Renault, the law firm which launched the case has asked for an extension of 15 days to reply to the Defense. They claim delays due to breakdown of email servers, blackberry communication, travel of senior lawyer, time difference with Paris etc...The more delays in this file, the more damage it creates to the reputation of the Ismaili community, the Imam and the defendants. It is to the advantage of all parties that this case be withdrawn from the courts.]
[Update from June 22: Defendants have filed a Motion for summary Judgement to have the case dismissed.]
[Update from September 5:
Online Book that gathers court materials as well as articles that are currently available for the ongoing 2010 Lawsuit:
Copyright Lawsuit 2010: Online Book of All available Materials
News on cross-examinations:
Copyright Lawsuit: CROSS_EXAMINATIONS Table of Contents - 2010-09-04
Latest Development
Copyright Lawsuit: Imam Appears for Discovery and Ends the Case - 2010-10-15
As users are asking to read the letters from Nagib and Alnaz on the court docket, the latest have been attached on the following link:
A. Various Court Filings
Revised Factums have been posted Here:
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment : Plaintiffs Revised Combined Factums of Reply and of Motion
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment: Defendants' Revised Factums of Motion and of Reply
There has been proven fraud in the recent past in the Aga Khan's domain by the Aga Khan's agents:
Aga Khan Lawsuit: Fraud at Aga Khan Studs - 2000-02-22
2011-05-25: A Jamati Member who has never met the Defendants volunteered as his brotherly duty to pay the $30,000 that was demanded in the Plaintiff''s submissions and that was accordingly ordered by the judge.
Read the full details of the $30,000 payment directly to H.H. The Aga Khan.
2011-06-16: The Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law against the Summary Judgment has been filed in court by the defendants on June 16th, 2011.
Read the Full Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law
Link to Court Docket Case T-514-10
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-60-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-59-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-156-13
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@Umed
Are you trying to say that Our Beloved Hazar Imam has not appointed a suitable Leader for the Jamat?????? Thank You.
@ yasmin
now lets first clear this: Who does MHI appoints?? and who gets appointed by the people MHI appointed. If someone bold enough to answer or atleast share some light on the process. If we follow the trails of appointments from the bottom up we can solve a big chunk of the problems we face today.
I am not doubting in any way the selection of MHI but my doubts are in the selections at the ground level, or local levels.
people getting appointed, does the selector/s ever ask or demand resume if they are really qualified for the job, or how did you perform during your previous appointments, how much knowledge do they have on the subject they are appointed for etc.etc. The criteria today is only one or two:
1) you must know your selector either through your KAKA WADA BAPA or the spouse, and must very very good at boot polishing.
2) we are equal opportunity selector/s NO EXPERIENCE NECESSARY, will train the right person, must be a hard worker must have the passion of learning the trade of polishing, and respect and obey the master i.e selector/s at all times and DISREGARD the teaching and instructions of the GRAND MASTER (mhi).
Isn't this is what is going on today, please correct me if I have the wrong idea. Please start and follow the trail of appointments and i am sure some of these people see and feel the earth shaking under their feet.
YA ALI MADAD
@yasmin
Right on pakifellah.
This is where all of us make the mistake of accepting ALL appointments as made by Mawla.
Once again, there are two sides to this issue and no matter what, both sides are fully entrenched in their beliefs and will not budge.
Even modern day examples of people being apppointed when they do not even qualify (as a result of being non-members) will not deter people from their entrenched beliefs.
You see, the "blanket" statement that Mawla knows best and is aware of everything has "guided" most of us throughout our lives and we are totally oblivious to Mawla's references to Intellect, accountability, free choice, personal search, leaders not complying with His wishes, etc.
Thank you.....................
Offensive comment
Your inferences are down right offensive in your comment. Believe me we do have our eyes open and our intellect functional. I dont at all believe in the notion of turning a blind eye. We have to question our leaders and hold them accountable, but we have to do that firmly but with respect and following protocol. In our current system the second last step in protocol is S'S. I have personally written to S'S after all other steps elicited no responses. SS also sent me a response that was purely crap and beating about the bush. Now I cant appear shameless (like some of you) in my Mowlas eyes and start abusing him here, calling him names and doing his ninda. What I have done, and what I am appealing to all to also do, is take the last step and submit the matter to Mowla. And I am at peace because I did what my Mowla has said i.e I didn't turn a blind eye. I sent firm and strongly worded petitions to all leaders right upto S'S and then proudly but also humbly requested Mowla to now step in. The two sides here are clear. People like you want to do ninda and poke fun and abuse our leaders, instead of taking the last step. Now you have also started jeering at those who wish to take the last step. Blanket statement indeed!!!!
What an awful and offensive comment!
You can do what you like but don't you dare jeer at us and generalize us as people who want to do nothing or who have done nothing!! I will not stand for it!!!
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. Well said. No ninda, as you said you can bring an issue by correspondence with leaders, etc.(I personally believe with the "spiritual permission" of Our Beloved Hazar Imam), and if you are not satisfied with the response, you then leave it with Mowla, you have tried it, now it's upto Mowla to resolve the matter, No Ninda but some people won't understand this!!!!!
Thank you for your support.
Thank you for your support. It is perfectly okay for everyone to do as they like. That is pluralism. But they should remain respectful. We are not disrespecting them so what right do they have to judge us and disrespect our views. I will lash out if this happens again.
Ya Ali Madad
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. I 100% agree with you. Thank You.
@ Ninda and @ Yasmin
The arguments on this forum from all the participants, you guys call it NINDA, as a matter of fact these are plea and concerns from true and dedicated ismailies, do you guys think that writing a letter to SS is the right thing to do, well you are right but you think that you 2 are only right people, do you guys believe that SS AND HIS TEAM not reading any of the stuff that is submitted here, this is a collective effort to bring the BS to an end and let me tell you it is a better and effective venue than your wishful approaches either by letter or sorry to say spiritual correspondence. Looks like you 2 (ninda and yasmin) still believe in the genie in a bottle or Aladin's lamp. I would like to welcome you to ground realities. NO OFFENCE.
Offensive comment
Thank you for your very "non" offensive posting.
I guess this will end the matter for now................
Thank you. Umed
Umed
My comment through you Umed:-
At this desperate juncture when these troubles were brewing, al-Mustansir was roused to action and sent a message to Badr al-Jamali, the then governor of Acre, inviting him to come to Egypt and take control. Badr al-Jamali responded swiftly. Originally an Armenian slave of the Syrian amir, Jamaluddin bin Ammar, he had a successful career as soldier and governor in Syria. His Armenian soldiers were loyal and reliable and he insisted on taking them with him to Egypt. Sailing from Acre in the mid-winter, he landed at Damietta and entered Cairo on 28th Jamada I, 466/January 29, 1074. Badr al-Jamali took the charge and dealt the state affairs efficiently. The swift and energetic actions of Badr al-Jamali brought peace and security to Egypt, and even measure of prosperity. The annual revenue was increased from about 2,000,000 to 3,00,000 dinars. It is true that his efforts were greatly assisted by the fact that the year 466/1074 saw an exceptionally good Nile, so that prosperity and abundance once more reigned through the land.
'At the time, it appears, the court was divided into two factions over the question of the succession, the one party holding to the Khalif's elder son Nizar, the other to a younger son named Musta'li. In one place Nasir-i Khusaro says that the Khalif told him that his elder son Nizar was to be his heir, and the succession of the older son would be in accordance with the doctrines of the sect as already proved by their adherence to Ismail, the son of Jafar as-Sadiq. But Badr and the chief officials were on the side of the younger son Musta'li.'
Badr al-Jamali thus expected the succession of Musta'li but he died in 487/1095, a month before the death of Imam al-Mustansir. The latter appointed Lawun Amin ad-Dawla as a new vizir, but after few days, al-Afdal, the son of Badr al-Jamali managed to obtain office of vizirate when the Imam was almost on death-bed, and also became amir al-juyush (commander of the army). After the death of al-Mustansir, the year 487/1095 marks the triumph of vizirial prerogative over caliphal authority in the structure of the Fatimid empire. Al-Afdal however, was fearing of being deposed by Nizar, so he conspired to remove him.
Please draw your conclusions.....thank you..............
@kachoomber re: Jan. 7th- My comment...
786
Thank you for reminding us of these important details, Kachoomber.
On more than one occasion in these last 2 years I have thought that we are witnessing a repeat of those past days when the vizirs had become way too powerful...
Whose fault do you think was
Whose fault do you think was the deaths of many Imams in the past ? Was it the Imam or those Leaders involved ?
@Integrity re: Jan. 7th-Whose fault...
786
Touché, Integrity!!
Are you saying the Jamat
Are you saying the Jamat must not question the leaders when Imam asks us to question and seek answers, accountability and competence from Leaders ? Why did Imsm ordain the constitution and asked us to read, understand and implement the constitution? If Imam wanted us only to pray and do nothing, why would Imam need to even give Farmans. Please read comments before of the process of how leaders are appointed.
I am not sure to understand
I am not sure to understand your question. Are you saying that when someone commits a murder it is God that we have to blame because he created those people? of course no.
Hazar Imam appoints people to work properly, he gives them the chance to so many to do honest sewa, we can not blame the Imam for the failure of some in the leadership but we can also not approve them when they go against the teachings of our Imam and do not follow the Ethics which he is expecting from all of us including his leaders. he knows the weakness of the system, many times he indicates that to us. Did he not say that his leaders sometimes get away with murder! And the joke about them not telling the Jamat what Imam tells them. And what was again that joke which has been censured about a prison in the back of the Disneyland advertise in Paris? I can go on for many more example...
I agree with you Librarian.
I agree with you Librarian. No one is perfect as Imam says but the difference is you right a wrong when you know you have made a mistake or you have disobeyed your Imam knowingly, as have S Sachedina and M Manji on 15th Oct 2010. We need to be specific. Imam guides and if we or leaders choose to disobey then the loss is ours - Dua, humans and Farmans say do and so does Imam and Quran.
@Amin re: Jan. 7th-I agree with...
786
Indeed, and to admit the mistake "without shame, without shame" (I believe it was said in Bombay in 1992).
If you feel right , you do , why not come with identity ?! ,
Dear Concerned - Ya Ali Madad , .....if you feel , what you are doing and what you are advising is right and only in the interest of jamats , at local or international level , then , what makes you to hide your identity ?! , ....it makes difficult for me also , to respond , .....because , if in any future , if any of us fails for their doing so , naming in the interest of jamats , but , working in the interest of leaders only and , turns negative ! , then , only to be held , as " i am not responsible for "! , ..... " i don't know , who has written this / these / such comments ! , only ?! , ....so , please , come forward with real identity , and , i will respond you , in my own words ! , .....otherwise , it is nothing else , but , writing some such comments , with planning the way of escapism , if required ! , ....thank you ......ya ali madad ...!
Dear brother
Dear brother mansoorali,
When rain falls on earth, two things can happen. It can fall on fertile soil and become a life-source. Or else it can falll on stony ground and just evaporate. Some leaders are like the latter. Telling them anything, requesting them, reasoning with them, demanding answers etc is just an act in futility. Power has turned them into stone. That is why I felt it incumbent upon myself to try and reason with all of you instead and implore you to take the surest way out and that is to submit the matter to our Imam.
With Ya ali madad
Do what Imam says first !
I agree but "after" we have done everything Imam has asked and said, we must do. Only after you have, you must go before Hazar Imam, for new guidance. As Imam says ask yourself have you done everything that your Imam has asked you to do, and if your answer is no then let it be tomorrow that You do so. If you do that, then you will know and be guided on what to do next !
As you know letters you write physically do not reach Hazar Imam. So if you do not obey and do not do what Imam asks, then what you seek esoterically is not a right but a blessing and remember if you do not succeed you have not failed.
Success is in the effort if you accept what Imam says, the result is not yours as of right but a blessing. I hope you have followed your own advice and belief you have shared. thank you.
What matters is what is said
What matters is what is said not who says so. As long as what is said is reasoned and with respect we must address the content. many do not use their names for many reasons.If they are not comfortable we must respect that. remember that many are afraid because they fear they will be targeted.
Serving the Jamat
Hazar Imam said “ I am sure that my Jamat is well aware that the permanency, stability, and competence of its (Jamats), institutions, are central to the longer term future of the Institutions around the world and, of course, the service that they are able to render to the Jamat “ July 2008 (New constitution in 1998).
Imam said Institutions include AKDN who received extra $80 million in 2008, for long term development for the Jamat. This was in addition to normal annual budgets.
Appeal to ICAB
Gafoor from USA has filed a complaint with NCAB in UK. M Chatur has appealed to ICAB and has asked them to provide him with the full constitution and the rules including include Farmans. M Chatur also said,
" Sadly it may be necessary to go to the UK courts, bearing in mind the orders of NCAB and ICAB, so far, and my requests for reasonable particulars and clarifications.
The UK Law does not say, and UK courts will not rule that a citizen does not have the right to the constitution and rules which are used to govern or judge them. In our case our full and complete constitution, AND the law of the land.
Not giving the constitution and the rules to any citizen ( murid), is against the law, and against the very principles of justice and of fundamental human rights. And especially for us as Ismailis, Farmans, and in Islam.
Below are some of our basic and legal rights. I hope NCAB UK will in their deliberations juxtapose them to Ismailism and our constitution.
"All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination."
"It is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,"
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."
"Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law."
I am still hopeful that it will not be necessary to go to the courts to seek or enforce our rights. If we have to then we need to address all the issues and establish all our rights.
There has been no conciliation by NCAB or ICAB so far. They are not following the normal process of conciliation and not providing even the law under which they are adjudication ( our full constituon and related Farmans)
Imam said in 1998 when the
Imam said in 1998 when the new constitution was released that the constitutions and all the institutions are there for the service of Jamat and there to render service to the Jamats . Imam also allocated substantial specific funds for the various institutions which was summarosed in the UK official Ismaili Magazine. Why are SS and Co not giving the reports or the Farmans and refusing to even explain them. Leaders serving in all the institutions including in IiS and AKDN are there to serve and render service to the Jamat.
The Ismaili community
The Ismaili community are the main stakeholders and primary beneficiary of AKDN a but SS and co are not transparent and block information and reports from them. To others funding partners they provide ? " A significant portion of the funding for development activities comes from national governments, multilateral institutions and private sector partners (see list of partners). His Highness the Aga Khan provides regular funding for administration, new programme and country initiatives, and for some core activities. The Ismaili community contributes invaluable volunteer time, professional services, and substantial financial resources." (AKDN)
They also hide and block guidance and Farmans given by the Imam to be given to them !
reasons for blocking !
Over 90 companies in 20 countries
Assets of over $12.9 billion
Over 80000 employees
Revenue of billions
So every President in every
So every President in every country knows how much money is being allocated and spent. They should give a copy of the budgets and repprts to the Jamat. That is what Hazar imam means when Imam talks of transprency, and being answerable and accountable. What is the mandate and rules of the Grants and review Boards. They also report to DJI ( SS and Company)
@ AR
You wrote:
So every President in every country knows how much money is being allocated and spent. They should give a copy of the budgets and repprts to the Jamat. That is what Hazar imam means when Imam talks of transprency
My friend AR in yours and my dreams. What would happen if a dentist is given the post of a heart surgeon and allowed to operate on somebody. This is exactly what is going on in the institutions. A retiring mukhi (without any knowledge of religion) becomes chairman ITREB and retiring from itreb becomies the President of Council, while Hazar Imam keeps asking the jamat for TKN because he knows there are plenty of loyal and dedicated personalities, if given a chance, but we as jamat allow these scoundrels to play revolving door tactics with us.
I am very sorry to say as we have groups as Ismaili queers on facebook and a webpage who represnt Ismaili community in gay parades, (which is uncalled for) . we also have a group of bootlickers and apple polishers who does running jamati institutions i.e. like a JK building manager can not tell a difference between a nail and a screw and have the walls of JK painted 3 times by not paying attention to the job on MHI expenses wasting money and professional labor (NOT VOLUNTARY). or building a part of the STEP facility 3 times by professionals paying 3 times parts and 3 times professional labor and still being appointed for the current terms.
It has been almost 3 years since the lawsuits and this forum but nothing accomplished, those in power are still in power playing power politics with the jamats emotions, faith and feelings. A very recent incident (which is also happening in your neck of the wood) is illegal use of jamati resources by the big leaders was in Atlanta where this solicitation of audiences occurred, when the students of class 12 were to take a field trip to President Eboo Patel residence for a lecture on how he served the Imam during Golden Jubilee. This was scheduled as two sessions of 30 students WHO WILL HAVE TO FILL OUT A CONSENT FORM to hold everyone harmless of any negligence even death any organisers, teachers, and volunteers even if they are at fault. Cannot go to court or file complaints with legal authorities and waive their rights to legal actions. If any complaint or incident occurs NCAB will supersede the LAW OF THE LAND.
Now lets examine these geniuses at work. It will cost the President $ 10.00 worth of gasoline to come to a Jamati facility and half the time versus taking a party of 30 students and organising volunteers TWICE to President's place, you need at least minimum of 5 minivans 7 passengers each including volunteers thats $ 50.00 of gas and other resources and a risk of accident at least in a 30 minute ride each way, and if something happens during this visit you already waive your rights. this is 2 seperate trips go do the maths, THE PERFECT EXAMPLES OF WASTING OF PRECIOUSE TIME & KNOWLEDGE AND RESOURCES. Thanks to someone who came forward and spoke and had the venue of this field trip changed to a Jamati social hall.
This is the tip of the iceberg, go figure how deep is the corruptions. We have seen in the last 3 years the outcome of this debate on this forum not a single dogtail was straightened, so to make things work for the betterment of the jamat we will have to think globally but act locally. So today I want you guys all brothers and sisters to concentrate on all the local misuse of power by our leaders and start demand the farmans on the local level start building the pressure from within and report here on this forum and all the misuse of even a small deptt. so any time anyone of us anywhere in the world encounters these situations and act responsibly to stop it. This will make a big dent a very noticeable one visible to local and global leaderships, and things will happen. start a tweet or a facebook page with signatures and comments, these leaders cannot stop the MHI from visiting the tweet or facebook. unfortunately, I am not computer savvy otherwise i can do it, but I know there are plenty of networking professionals in here who can heed.
These leaders living in GLASS CASTLE do not know that kids are playing cricket in the street more then ever.
Ya ALI Madad
I agree 100% that the Jamat
I agree 100% that the Jamat and leaders locally must ask for farmans and reports from their leaders and Presidents.Those including Mukhis who have farmans and information, they must share them and share the truth on this forum.
Beware - use your intellect.
Beware - use your intellect. Judge foryurself 1. Where does SS and co belong in this ? 2. Where does Nagib and Alnaz belong ? 3. Where do you belong ?
When the most divine miracle of the holy Qur'an came down to our beloved Prophet (saww) and the pure, truthful and perfect message of Islam spread. The people of that time had taken position in three distinctive groups.
The first group:
The true believers (mu’mineen) are those who embraced Islam wholeheartedly and with true conviction. ..and they are just a small Jamat ! This group are unfortunately the extreme minority and very often obliged to live quietly in certain societies, in order that the truth may survive throughout time. The true believers are those who occupy the ranks of this group, in hopes to be ever so closer to ALLAH (swt). Their true love, faith and conviction arein their hearts are everlasting.
The second group:
The open enemies are those who opposed Islam openly in hatred and in violence. Many in this group finally joined those in the third group, since fighting head-on with truth is a loosing battle. Many of the biggest opponents of Islam, in the early days who did everything to try to destroy Islam, realised that for them it was easier to join the Muslims and control the weaker hearted ones within the ranks. The rest of this group, despite constant losses stayed on their position to the point that even today later generations of these movements exist. They make wars against Muslims for no other reason but hate and the thirst for innocent blood.
The third group:
This is the most dangerous group, they are the hypocrites...who followed Muawiya and Yazid.... and abandoned the Prophet's family... They have infiltrated into the Ummah...they have coined their own "religion" and called it Islam ! They are usurpers ! They befriend mu’mineen (true believers) and then betray them. They pretend to believe (especially when it profits them). They are like a deadly poison that slowly pours into the blood stream, constantly making victims die a slow and painful death. heir hearts seek only what profits them. They are lovers of lofty positions in this temporal life and they will betray anyone to get this momentary power. They love to be close to the truthful believers, in order to try to take position and they love to be in charge of the ignorant in order to spread their social disease. They are ignorant of their own ignorance.
ALLAH (swt) says:
"There are some people who say, [we believe in ALLAH and the last day], but they are not at all believers. They desire to deceive ALLAH and those who believe, but they deceive only themselves while they do not perceive. There is a disease in their hearts, so ALLAH added to their disease”. (The Holy Qur'an 2-Al Baqarah 8-10). And ALLAH (swt) says: "And when you see them, their bodies will please you and if they speak, you will be captivated by their speech; as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments". (The holy Qur'an 63–Al-Munafiqun-4). ..And when it is said to them: Follow what ALLAH has sent down, they say: "Not that! But we will follow what we found our fathers upon". What? Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance? The parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls; but they hear nothing, except a call and a cry. Deaf, dumb and blind, so they understand not". (The Holy Qur'an 2 Al- Baqarah 170-171).
When we reflect we quickly understand some different points about true guidance and false guidance. In fact, ALLAH (swt) sent this verse as a warning not to follow blindly, but to use wisdom and understanding to follow the true guidance of ALLAH Azz wa Jall. Since the creation of man, man has been a victim of blind imitation of superstitions, and heresies. Look at how many things and conducts in today's society are based on perception, rumors, superstitions and corruption.
You are right they hear the
You are right they hear the cry and the crying need for guidance support and Farmans. But Shafik Sachedina and his inner circle hear only the cry but not what the murids are crying out for " The parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls; but they hear nothing, except a call and a cry. Deaf, dumb and blind, so they understand not". (The Holy Qur'an 2 Al- Baqarah 170-171"
Imans says those who know and can, must step up and fight for the crying needs of the Jamat and for the guidance and support which is given for the murids.
Healthy Competitive...Atmosphere....on this ...Platform.
Dear All - Ya Ali Madad , .....am i RIGHT ? , .....if i say , that ....Here , on this site , in my SIGHT , ..it is ..FIGHT .....by each MIGHT , ..... no one seems to be less TIGHT , ..... trying climbing new HEIGHT , and , knowledge coming out , is leading to ....LIGHT .....ya ali madad.....!
This is an excellent forum
This is an excellent forum to seek and share. We are getting information and knowledge which has not been available before. Imam wants us to use our intellect and discuss understand and also explain our faith. How else can we do that.
I agree We must all seek and share information and Farman's and we must to do with respect.
@No ninda INTELLECT How Many Sides in Currency with You ?
Dear No ninda , ya ali madad ,.....i refer to your comment of the well known 31st December ,
....you are becoming day by day , more interesting , being fresh even , ......with your views in news here ,
....i don't know in which country you live ? , and , but i hope , it is on this earth only ? ,
....still , if i don't exaggerate , i think , at least , two sides will be there of the each coin used as currency in your country ! , ....or , One Sided only ?! ,
....if , One Sided , then , No Body can dare to say that your Views are Wrong ! , ...ya ali madad ....!
Grasping at straws
To challenge the view that only our Imam can intervene and help us out with the leaders is ludicrous as this is a COMPLETE solution in itself. And there are no sides to it. My brother, you are just grasping at straws by saying that the issue is two-sided. As I have said, people don't approve of submitting the issue to Mowla because then they have to sit back and do nothing but wait with faith as Mowla will work in His ingenious way. Obviously you are one of those who don't want to do the obvious. And for that, I feel really really sorry for you and your unhumorous attempts at humour and sarcasm.
First Understand the Say , Then Reply in Accordance ...!
Dear No ninda , , Ya Ali Madad , ....sorry , i was busy travelling - working , for last 3 days ,.... so could not attend site , so , some late to reply , particularly you ! , ...will do na ?! ,
.....i had said , you always try to favor only leaders ,and , try to create an impression among leaders , that , you are the only , such great well wisher of leaders , ...against the anger of jamats for leaders everywhere ,
......and , you do not favor jamats instead , which is a matter and demand of time , since long ! ,
.....so , i had to say , for , Two Sides of Coin ! ,
....no body is challenging Capacity of Imam , but , Imam wishes jamats - certain jamati members , to solve out problems of jamats , ....especially the problems , created by leaders only , for jamats ! ,
..and , so ..jamats - certain ( not curtain ) jamati members , try to solve out problems of jamats , on iways!
....particularly the problems , created by particular leaders only , for jamats , ....keeping themselves , behind curtain , ( as you ,are keeping behind curtain your self - and , so you really deserve to be an important leader - or - are you already ?! , and , you , please , do not go too fast , or , you will soon be appointed as , Head of Department of Jamati Problems Creators - JPC ) , and , then , MHI , i assure you , will be more happy than He is ! ,
....and , forget , that , certain jamati members , who are meant to turn certain leaders into straight stick , from their present shape like round round Jalebi , will stop of your sweet - precious advise ! , ....and , sit silently into an unknown corner of their lives , .....but , that time has gone too back , and , not to come again , till ....... as you advise to do ! , means , advise to do nothing ! , .....ya ali madad ....!
@Mansooralibhai
Ya Ali Madad. Neither No Ninda nor myself, are favouring leaders. Leaders have been appointed by Our Beloved Hazar Imam and we have to respect them. My suggestions have always been that if Jamat has any issues with the leaders, regarding their work, etc. one should communicate their issues in a more "professional, civilised and matured" manner, i.e correspondence, etc., and let Mowla deal with it, but not by name-calling, nor in any other disrespectful manner. This kind of behaviour is not performed by "progressive ismailis", and I wonder whether Hazar Imam would be impressed with all this?
Once again I have to say that these leaders have been appointed by Our Beloved Hazar Imam, and we have to respect them. Mansooralibhai, no offence please I am just curious, that those Ismailis who think that these leaders are not suitable for their jobs, and that they are angry with them, are they trying to say that Hazar Imam has not appointed the right leaders for the Jamat?????
@Yasmin, @Mansoor
Very well expressed, Yasmin!
As for mr mansoorali, I am neither a leader now and nor would I want to be one. In fact I am a firm believer in our Pir's given maxim of "door thi laago paay". I only started commenting here because I felt, that in your anger and your passion and consequent open criticism and judgement of leaders, you were somewhat undermining our beloved Hazar Imam who, as Yasmin so aptly puts it, knows what He is doing and has a perfect plan by appointing such leaders. Have you never heard of "uski leelaa nyaari"? We can never understand our Imam's plans and nor should we ever try to question them, and by calling the leaders names and jeering at their characters is nothing but disrespectful to our Imam and for that you should be condemned. And your paranoia that I am a leader or wish to be one speaks volumes about the level of your discontent. Prayers will help calm you down and you will be able then to think more rationally. Why don't you try it for a change. Also you are giving a very poor impression of our community to outsiders and I just don't like that. It is not fair to our Imam.
Anyway, what can we say to a person who openly says that submitting the matter at the feet of our Imam actually means doing nothing. What right do you have to be so blasphemous? Remain within your limits! And understand that our faith is esoteric and talking to the Imam spiritually about our peoblems and seeking His help and intervention is a reality and I'm not just suggesting it because I am on the side of the leaders and so I want everyone to sit down and do nothing. (Only people too full of themselves, like you, can think that).
In fact quite the opposite is true. The leaders have much to explain about their behavior and their dirty politics but it would be much preferrable if the Imam were to take action against them, because then they would be properly fixed. As if we can achieve anything by ourselves. To think that is highly egotistical. So please, mr mansoorali, I implore you to get off your high horse.
There are major changes
There are major changes between the pre-1986 Ismaili Constitution and the post-1986 Constitution. I beg you to study the difference.
One of the major difference is that before 1986, the Constitutional bodies and leadership was indeed accountable to the Imam only, not to the Jamat.
From the moment Mowla signed the 1986 and subsequent (1998) Constitution, He changed the rules and the Institutions became accountable and answerable to the Jamat by the command of the Imam of the Time..
Constitutional Change
Dear Umed Sir, your point is noted and with due deference, agreed upon. The Imam would like the jamat to take a lively rather than a passive interest in what is going on in our community. Your point is valid. But is this, do you surely think, how the Imam would like the jamat to hold our leaders answerable? Is this the way????? And even if you think it is, what's next? Letters and emails have been written to the leaders directly. All protocol as per the constitution has been followed, and then a public outcry has also been initiated via this forum...
No positive results and answers have resulted!
So then, what's next? Is the Imam not the ultimate authority now to turn to when all else has failed??? And is it necessary to present the issues to the Imam physically? Can we not submit them to Him spiritually in our prayers? Will they not be answered?
That is what the entire point is in all my comments, and Mr mansoorali, Mr Bloglaw and yourself seem to be just beating about the bush and refusing steadfastly to bite the humble pill. Pardon me if I am wrong but now I am strongly beginning to suspect that writing comments on this forum against our leaders, calling them names, jeering at their characters and speculating on their appointments etc has become more of an enjoyable passtime rather than an actual quest to seek answers from leaders as per the constitution. If seeking answers was a genuine quest, as it should be, then all of you would be asking yourselves "what should we do now? We are not getting anywhere with the leaders and have run up against a solid wall of bureaucracy. We must definitely turn to our Imam now."
This is not happening. So if this has become an enjoyable habit then is there anything left to say that would actually be construed as constructive?
My prayer to all is stop this farce immediately, come back on the right path and make this a true quest. Take the next step in the due process of protocol and pray to the Imam for His help and intervention now. That will surely make Him happy and proud of all of us.
What do you Advise to Wait for and for What ?! ,
Dear Concerned , No ninda , ...Ya Ali Madad , .....where were , You , not to advise , Our Concerned Leaders , who , against the apparent unwillingness of MHI , got filed the case against Nagib - Alnaz ?! , .....and , still continued even , and , to day you have come forward to advise jamats , not to do such and so things !!.....ya ali madad .....!,
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. Very well said. Umed, Bloglaw, Mansooralibhai, I have always believed and we all believe that Our Beloved Hazar Imam who knows all, and is very patient. This issue cannot be dealt immediately, coz. it is not "instant coffee", that could have been solved "yesterday". Thank You.
There are major changes
My dear Umed,
It appears that a line is emerging between different factions of the group that does not have any confidence in the leadership at large. Whether we call them this, that or the other really is only semantics as I posted in my earlier posting.
At the time of the Mahabharat, even Duryodhan was referred to as "pakhandi" (proud and arrogant), "baalpan" (childish), "mithyaa pan" (lusty and greedy).
People had to use this kind of terminology, even before Shree Krishna.
So, whether we use one tern or another, that is upto the individual. What we to do is keep on struggling the best way we know. With His help, the right solution will be found. None of has any doubt about that.
Thank you.
@ Kachoomber
You wrote:
At the time of the Mahabharat, even Duryodhan was referred to as "pakhandi" (proud and arrogant), "baalpan" (childish), "mithyaa pan" (lusty and greedy).
People had to use this kind of terminology, even before Shree Krishna.
Do you know the true details of the relationship of KRISHNA & RADHA, and Radha was the aunt of Krishna and they had a very very spicy (garam masala) relationship, you think he was only amusing radha by playing flute right? and still 2013 we have a quarter of worlds population treat him as God. and you suggest him as SHREE KRISHNA. Welcome to the pluralistic society. I think it is about time we start living in a real world where apples are apples not oranges.
Ya Ali Madad.
ask spiritually or ask materialy but do not seat doing nothing.
I agree, some fight for Truth sitting with a Tasbih and other decide to say it loud, both will get equal help from the Imam, the point is that no one should just seat and do nothing.
When Imam said seek accountability", some people chose to seek it loud and some chose to seek it spiritually, both may be right in their own ways.
The pen of the scholar may be more valuable than the blood of the martyrs but surely the prayers of the Murids will be equal.
Fine. You wish to continue
Fine. You wish to continue on by all means and I will definitely pray for Mowla to stand by you and help you succeed, ameen. But do keep within the boundaries of respect. What kachoomber fails to mention in his ref: to Mahabharata is that every time such words were spoken in Lord Krishnas presence He, reprimanded them sternly and reminded them that Duryodhan was also their brother. That is why do carry on with your fight but with intellect and respect.
Thank you
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. I agree with your 1st sentence: "Fine. You wish ...............respect". No Ninda, there is some kind of stubborness, etc. here, some people won't change, but they want the "leaders" to change. There is a saying "Maari ne Musalmaan Naa Banawisako". Best is to leave with Mowla. Thank You.
I agree, there are those who
I agree, there are those who wish to pray and wait, and there are those who are doing what Imam has specifically asked and said in Farman's, including the constitution, and there are those who are writing and asking our Leadership informally and some formally to NCAB etc, and there are those who have physically sent a petition or letters to Hazar Imam - They all need to be encouraged and respected.
I agree every murid should seek, and share Farmans and knowledge about our tariquah and not allow this knowledge and guidance to be blocked. Thanks to Nagib, for publishing Farmans, and making them available, and as a result we also now know much more about our constitution, and also Imams speeches and writings at Nano wisdoms with insights juxtaposed to Farmans. Thank you.
Light at the end of the tunnel
At least the past few comments have shown me a blooming sense of dignity. That is what I always wanted. So I express my gratitude. We may discuss issues. That is fine. But we must discuss them with intellect and above all dignity, as would befit the murids of our Imam. We must also never forget that our non-Ismaili brothers and sisters have excess to this forum. What impression of our Imam will they get if they read what kind of names we are calling our leaders and how angry and disrespectful we are towards them. Perhaps this reason will sink home. Nobody wanted to accept the actual reason that nindas are washing away their sins thus making them stronger. People started arguing about what ninda means. Just like the Sunnis argued that Mowla does not mean physical leader ( ref gadhir-e-khum).
Anyway I digress, let us not give other communities more fodder against our Imam and keep our discussions here within the boundaries of respect and dignity.
Thank you brother for your support.
Ya ali madat.
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. Very well said. Thank You.
Thanks to Nagib and Alnaz
Thanks to Nagib and Alnaz for the respect in defending and offering to meet Leaders, and at the Meeting on 15th October 2010 when Hazar Imam agreed for all who have books of Farmans to keep and so share them, and Imam offered annotated Farmans to them. And to continue this website.
Pluralism
Ali Ibn Abi Talib reported, "When I took possession of the weapon of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, I found in the hilt of the sword a parchment saying, 'Keep relations with those who cut you off, behave well towards those who treat you badly, and speak the truth even if it is against yourself.'" [As-Saheehah of Abu Amr Ibnus Sammak]. Allah's revelation stands clear from falsehood.
This Hadith (farman) clearly directs the believers who will receive this legacy through Ameer-ul-Mumineen, Ali Ibn Abi Talib, to deal with all people in tolerance, forgiveness and truth.
This legacy, also, gives us a powerful lesson in conflict resolution.
One of the greatest obstacles in the path of progress is disunity, but many of our differences and misunderstandings could be overcome if we would speak the truth at all times and recognize others if they are correct.
Humility before Allah and others is not a weakness but a source of power that can cement your ranks and lead to healthy, fruitful relations.
Shabash!
Bravo, a thought provoking comment. I say your words should become a mantra, the gist of which should become the underlying principles forming the basis of all our discussions on this forum and others.
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. I "absolutely" agree with you. Thank You.
New Complaint filed
A new complaint has been filed against Abdulla Dharamsey and others, with NCAB UK, by a murid from USA..
I have seen an email. The
I have seen an email. The new petition says " The reason I have added others to this compliant is that A. J. Dharamsey has claimed that he is working closely with Shafik Sachedina and Sherbanoo Moledina and I will be adding this to this complaint. "
Resolutions 2013
Happy new year.
As we reflect on 2012 today and think about our resolutions for 2013
Let us also ask ourselves, have we done what Imam has been saying and asking us to do ? And if we have not, let it be tomorrow that we say and do what Imam is saying and asking us to do. - Farman
Happy New year
Chers Sœurs et Frères, Ya Ali Madat,
Je vous adresse mes sincères vœux de Bonne et Heureuse Année 2013. Que nous gardions tous une bonne santé et que toujours par la Grâce de Mowlana Hazar Imam, nous restions sereins et fermes sur la voie droite du Siratal-Mustaquim.
Que cette nouvelle année 2013, période de crise économique majeure, soit aussi un commencement, avec un état d’esprit positif, des bonnes intentions, des efforts à fournir et d’une vision bénie ! Nous avons d’abord à méditer, à prier, à rester sereins pour agir avec plein d’amour et de sagesse !
En ce siècle dit « spirituel », il nous faut entreprendre un travail intérieur et nous avancerons même dans l’adversité en trouvant la bonne attitude, les paroles humbles à prononcer, la générosité, la compassion, l’altruisme et la sollicitude. Nous allons continuer à nous comporter envers les autres avec simplicité, avec modestie, avec de la sagesse… et donc répondre positivement aux vœux de Mowlana Hazar Imam.
Le plus important est d’apprendre à nous servir de notre Intellect pour approfondir en nous le lien avec notre Père et Mère Spirituel. En nous exposant aux rayons de Son Noor spirituel, nous allons communiquer cet amour à nous même d’abord et à tous nos frères et sœurs. Ainsi, ensemble, en congrégation ou en « esprit communautaire », nous ferons en sorte que cette communication plus subtile, plus spirituelle commence à vibrer en harmonie et à l’unisson avec la volonté Mowlana Hazar Imam ! Il nous faut aller à l’essentiel c’est-à dire prendre le chemin des hauteurs, toujours dans la même direction, le même Idéal, celui de l’Amour et de la Sagesse qui conduisent nécessairement à la Vérité.
Le Noor de Mowlana Hazar Imam est omniprésent et fait partie des entités lumineuses du monde invisible. Or, c’est de ces entités que nous devons gagner l’estime, et nous la gagnerons en appliquant les vérités que notre Mowlana, notre Guide nous révèle. »Prenez votre tasbih et invoquez le nom d’Allah, de Mohammad, de Ali, des Imams… » et n’oubliez pas »Je suis toujours avec vous ! »
Ces vérités sont des armes et nous n’en trouverons jamais de meilleures pour remporter les victoires de la vie !
Très affectueusement,
Ma famille se joint à moi pour vous souhaiter une Bonne Année 2013 lumineuse ! mohez nato
@ nato
Happy New Year to you too BON ANNEE MON AMI. If we celebrate NAVROZ on March 21st as New Year, then what is the excitement ??????????
translation for Nato Mohez
Happy New year
On January 1st, 2013 nato (not verified) says:
Dear Sisters and Brothers, Ya Ali Madat,
Please accept my sincere wishes for Happy New Year 2013. That we keep all good health and always by the grace of Mowlana Hazar Imam, we remain calm and firm on the path of right-Siratal Mustaquim.
May this new year 2013, major economic crisis, is also beginning with a positive mindset, good intentions, efforts to provide a vision and blessed! We began to meditate, to pray, to stay calm to act with full of love and wisdom!
In this century called "spiritual", we must undertake an inside job and we move even in adversity by finding the right attitude, humble words to pronounce, generosity, compassion, altruism and caring. We will continue to behave towards others with simplicity and humility, with wisdom ... and therefore respond positively to Mowlana Hazar Imam wishes.
The most important is to learn to use our intellect to deepen in us the link to our Spiritual Father and Mother. By exposing the rays of His Noor spiritual, we will communicate this love to ourselves first and to all our brothers and sisters. Thus, together, congregation or "community spirit", we will ensure that this communication more subtle, spiritual begins to vibrate in harmony and unison with Mowlana Hazar Imam will! We must get to the point that is to say, take the path of heights, always in the same direction, the same ideal, that of Love and Wisdom which necessarily lead to the truth.
The Noor Mowlana Hazar Imam is omnipresent and is part of the luminous entities of the invisible world. However, it is these entities that we must earn respect, and we win by applying the truths that our Imam, our guide tells us. "Take your tasbih and invoke the name of Allah, Mohammad, Ali, Imams ..." and remember "I am always with you! '
These truths are weapons and we do not find better to win the victories of life!
Very affectionately,
My family joins me in wishing you a Happy New Year 2013 light! mohez nato
United Arab Emirates reply
Thank you. Imam loves us and
Thank you. Imam loves us and guides us with love. Let us also share and follow Imams guidance with love, and with all our brothers And sisters without exception.
@Mohez Nato- Dec. 1st
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Mowla Aly madad ! Bonne et Heureuse Année 2013 à vous aussi !
Et bon séjour aux Emirats Arabes !
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. I fully agree with you. No offence to anyone please, but by calling Dr Shafik Sachedina, who is one of our Ismaili Leaders, and also who has been appointed by Our Beloved Hazar Imam, “Mungu Dogo”, is a very sensitive issue. Whoever is calling him with such a nickname, is making fun of him. None of our Beloved Imams have ever “guided” us, to behave in such a manner whether it is verbal or physical, we have always been “guided” by our Beloved Imams, to behave in “humbleness/respectful” manner towards everyone, even if a person/persons have hurt us. As quoted by Our Beloved Hazar Imam “If people have harmed you, forget and forgive. Do not hold grudges, do not turn around and say he hurt me yesterday, so I will hurt him today. This is not the Spirit of Islam”.
Moreover, this person has no respect for “Almighty Allah”, because there is only One God (La ilaha illallah - There is no deity except Allah). Therefore there are no “big/small gods” in Allah’s Kingdom.
As said above Dr Shafik Sachedina has been appointed by Our Beloved Hazar Imam. If He was not satisfied with his services He would ask him to resign. Everyone on this site have contributed their concerns regarding services, dealings, etc. of Ismaili Leaders, some have also communicated in writing. It is upto Our Beloved Hazar Imam to deal with it.
Mansooralibhai, no offence please, but when some participants who had commented on your long, etc. write-ups on this website, were you not “uncomfortable”?
Our Beloved Hazar Imam has always guided us to respect everyone. When a man/woman introduces himself/herself to anyone as an Ismaili, they get lot of respect, and the reason is because of Our Beloved Hazar Imam and Our Beloved Imams, with their unlimited contributions, etc. towards the society and also “their great/divine guidance” to us. Thank You
@ yasmin
You wrote:
As said above Dr Shafik Sachedina has been appointed by Our Beloved Hazar Imam. If He was not satisfied with his services He would ask him to resign.
I have a lot of questions but lets start with this one simple question and see where this will lead us.
When we have HEADACHES what do we take as remedy TYLENOL. the question is what does our beloved Hazar Imam do when he has headaches???
Ya Ali Madad.
What does mungo ndogo mean -
What does mungo ndogo mean - Is that not an expression which describes someone who does not obey the law or think he is above the law ? Can some one explain to those who are not from East Africa
Mungu Dogo means Small God.
Mungu Dogo means Small God. people call him like this because the guy is so arrogant, he thinks he is the center of the universe and acts as if he is some kind of God.
The wide spread use of this nickname for him only recognise this fact, it has nothing to do with his position of nomination, it has only to do with his character and behaviour. We do not know who created this nickname but it exist since many many years, I heard it well before 2006.
@librarian-Umed
Ya Ali Madad. Those who call Dr Shafik Sachedina(not "him"), who has been appointed by Our Beloved Hazar Imam, that name should first of all check their own character. It is always said that before you finger-point at someone, point that finger at yourself and find out about your own character. Thank You.
Yes there are a number of
Yes there are a number of decent people that use this nickname for Sachedina, including some in the leadership and I have so far not come across any person of questionable character calling "him" this name which honestly I feel fits "him" like a glove.
There will be no more posting on this subject, all the postings in the world will not make any change and most probably people will call him like this up to the time they feel he himself has changed.
@No Ninda
I wish to add to my above comment an excerpt of Farman made to the "Jamat" by Our Beloved Hazar Imam in India “If my Spiritual Children in India do not line up behind our Jamati Institutions, our Jamati Leaders, if there are petty differences, between Leaders and the Jamat, then they only destroy the strength, the unity, the virility of Our Jamat. - Bombay, 22nd November, 1967". Thank You.
This was only addressed to
This was only addressed to the India Jamat following a specific incident which Imam has preferred not to mention (as it was known by the Jamat) and therefore I am not mentioning that incident but this has nothing to do with today's situation and forgeries of the Imam's signature.
@Librarian-Umed
Ya Ali Madad. If these Farmans were “only” meant for India, then why are some participants complaining that “why are Farmans made by Our Beloved Hazar Imam in East Africa not released by the leaders”? Now then, these Farmans were made for East Africa “only”!!!!!!! Thank You.
I think you really need to
I think you really need to read the constitution and Farmans after that date. many have been quoted on this forum before.
@Bloglaw and Librarian Umed
Ya Ali Madad. Farmans are Farmans whether they were made by: Our Beloved Hazrat Ali, Our Beloved Sultan Mohamed Shah or Our Beloved Hazar Imam. We have to respect them. Not to forget the beautiful Farmans from Kalam-E-Imam-E-Zaman, Golden Edition, 1957-2007 (published by Nagib Tajdin). Thank You.
Farmans of "Past Imams are My Farmans"
Mowlana Hazar Imam told us on 15th October 2010 around 11am that Farmans of the past Imams are His Farmans. He added the Declaration of Imamat which he has done for Centuries and which I also witnessed at that blessed occasion: "I am the Imam of The Time" He said.
My understanding is as follow: a Farman is valid up to the time it is changed or abrogated by a subsequent Farmans. Imam also make Farmans which he specifically addresses to various audience. For example we know from our history one such farmans by Imam Hassan Alazikri Salaam on 8 August 1164 in Alamut which he started by the words "O Beings of the Universe, You , Jin, Men and Angels". There are others for members of a specific gathering. He can say my beloved Students, for example. There is one for example many years ago in Uganda where the Imam said, you have come here by your own decision, do not say the Imam told you to come or not to come. This was for people specifically there at that time, at that place. My 2 cents.
Nagib Tajdin
@Nagib Tajdin
Ya Ali Madad. The Holy Quran is 1400 Years Old, but millions of Muslims all over the world follow the "Holy Quran". Thank You.
And they follow the al
And they follow the al Hadith - guidance, and Fatwas by those rooted deeply in knowledge - Imams - and for Ismailies guidance from Imams which come from the Quran. . if you can get and read the constitution please do, or many quoted here. Farmans and the constitution have been blocked by SS and Co as you know. Thanks to Nagib for publishing the book. on 15th Oct 2010 Imam refused Manji's request to close this website - why do you think so ? Imam knew and knows! Instead in this after that Imam gave permission to an Ismaili individual to publish yes publish His speeches and writings ! This you can get at nanowisfoms today. These are also Farmans as defined by Imam in the consitution ? Why did Imam do so when we have leaders and IIS who have a book of Farmans and a book of speeches which SS and co have blocked toto publish for many years - LIF announcement also confirms re Farman book.
So is it also for the Bible,
So is it also for the Bible, the Gita, the Tao and so many other divine messages.
Thank you, Yasmin
I disagree with Umed. Even if the Farman was made to address a conflict in India at that time, it can be used here because we are now facing a similar conflict and so the Farman can be used as a guiding principle to glean the Imam's thoughts and feelings over such conflicts.
Thank you, Yasmin, for quoting this Farman which further solidifies my view on this whole matter.
I will not insult your
I will not insult your intelligence, you read the Farmans you have quoted, it refers specifically to spiritual children in India.
@Librarian-Umed
Ya Ali Madad. Your comment "I will not insult your intelligence", shows your humbleness/respect towards me. Thank You.
Please also quote and
Please also quote and consider Farmans after the constitution of 1986 and the Farman in London in 2008 and Alberta in Oct 2012 ! And the reason why Hazar Imam ordained the new consitution And regarding implementing the constotuion, and what to do when Leaders are not implementing or giving Famans to the Jamat !
@ Yasmin....thanks .....!
Dear Yasmin and All - Ya Ali Madad - and - Happy Thirteen , in Din and Duniya ,
.....Thanks First for your filing Reappearence on Board , breaking long termed silence , ....i was sure , which was to be any time ,
.....i just respond only , that ,
.....are Farmans for Jamats only , and , Not for Leaders ? ,
.....Are They Exempted from ?
.....When MHI Clears , Number of Times , ...His Life is Meant for Jamats , then , what the Life of Each Leader , Category wise , from A to Z , is Meant for ?!
.....No Jamats Consider any Leader as their Enemy , They are All considered as Loved Ones only , being Representatives of MHI ,
...No One from Jamats , can have any Intention to Hurt Any Feelings of Any Leader ,
....Doctor when gives Bitter Medicine to UnHealthy Patient , it should be Taken as an Opportunity to Improve Standard of Health only ! , ....and , it is always in the Interest of Patient only ! ,
.....if Medicine Avoided by Patient or if Not given by Family Doctor even , means , Preparing Themselves for Minor or Major only ! ,
... and , has not become Operation too Costly and Rishky also nowadays - Not Affordable Any Way even ?! ,
....and so No Body wants Operation , except Compelled ,
... ya ali madad.....!
Ninda and Farman-Bardari of Imam.
That was under the Old Constitution, Institutions were accountable to the Imam only.
Now we have an Imam of the Time, which means we have to follow the new Farmans, no matter how hard it is and how unjust they may appear to the Institutions. There is a New Constitution and the New Farmans that are saying these Institutions established under the Constitution are accountable and answerable to the Jamat. The Imam has confirm that these Institutions are independently working without the thinking and guidance of the Imam. If we do not seek competence, accountability and answerability as ordered by the Imam, we are failing our Imam.
The Imam has signed a Constitution and we know which are the constitutional bodies appointed and approved by the Imam. DJI is not. It has been created by SS and co. to severe the link between the Institution and the Imam. It has been used to corrupt our Institutions and our Imam is counting on obedient Murids to put the record strait. Even the ICAB which is the highest Judiciary has been entirely corrupted with its members and Chair become arrogant to the point that they feel they can go to the extend of abrogating Imam's Farmans and knowing that the Jamat will not utter a word of protest because when it does it is accused of doing Ninda.. Where do we then turn except to Farmans which are hidden on purpose from the Jamat?
What are the Farmans saying? Are they saying we keep quiet in front of this obvious breach. Not at all, prayer without action is pride said the Imam, I would add, prayer without action is arrogance and Nafarmani. Wake-up!
@Librarian-Umed
We are awake don't worry. Thank You.
Department of Jamati
Department of Jamati institutions controls Jamati institutions and Mansoorali is right Jamati institutions are for the Jamat and Shafik Sachedina is also there to serve the Jamat. But when Mansoorali says it is a department which should not be destroying the Jamats Institutions, he is right. Shafik likes the Jamat to think Imamat institutions are different and he is answerable onlybto Imam. Not true.
There is Imam personally who has said all funds are given to Jamats institution and all guidance is given to and for Jamat. Imamat is an institution recently confirmed in Alberta by Imam. Imam is slso Imam and has said his personal business is seperate and he loves the the Jamat and has dedicated his life to the Jamat and he loves us more and nothing else is more significant in Imams life than the Jamat and to guide the Jamat. So SS is not above the constitution and is answerable to the Jamat. NCAB and ICAB are Hamati institutions there to serve the Jamat and Imam has said all murids are equal.
@ No ninda , in , I Hope All of You Who Call SS - 30 dec 2012
Dear No ninda - Ya Ali Madad ,
i appreciate your feelings , particularly for SS , ...and , not for any body else , critisised here , ....not any feelings , for so much pains , suffered by jamats , since decades ,
....and , the pain felt by you , i think that also , as an ismaili only ,
... further , i hope you have no other specific relation with him ,
....and , if not , then , it will start now , ....because , you are the first person here , in my knowledge , who has been favouring him so deeply ,
....none here is concerned with him , as SS , but , as Head of DJI only , which is also an unconstitutional body ,
....and , i think , MHI has established DJI , ...to serve the jamats , but , as not mentioned and cleared in our constitution , he might have misunderstood , that , DJI = Destroy Jamats - Institutions ,
....and , it might not be his fault also , ..as , he might have been given word as DJI only , not expansion of full words , that , if i am not wrong , DJI means Department of Jamati Institutions , and , till , i came to know exact meaning of DJI from this forum , i was under an impression , that , SS is right in understanding , that , DJI means Destroy Jamats - Institutions , ....but , now , when the meaning of DJI is cleared on this forum , then , he must now take notice of , and , correct his mistake , and , now onwards , he should mean , DJI as Department of Jamati Institutions , and , not DJI as Destroy Jamats - Institutions ,
....he should not blame MHI also , that , MHI never cleared to him , the exact meaning of DJI , that , DJI means Department of Jamati Institutions , and , so he understood , DJI as , Destroy Jamats - Institutions , and , so he worked in that direction only , for decades ,
....MHI might have thought in french and forgot in english , so not cleared , and , not cleared , by considering him , having at least , that much intelligence within him , that , he will understand meaning of DJI , which a small ismaili child can understand !,
.....sorry , i forgot , ....Dear No ninda , that , you have advised us to write him - SS - directly only ,
....so please , tell me , that , after minimum how many e mails , he will reply to us ? , .....1 to 10 thousands e mails only , by each writer or more ?
....you first clear with him , and , put here , his reply to you ! .....then , we may start writing e mails to him ,
or , you do one thing , ...very easy also , ....you send , copy of these last few comments on him , by you and others , by e mail to SS , ....and ...get his reply , ( if you can ) , and , put it here , if he replies to you even ,
....and , if you fail , in any or all the way , to get any reply from him , then , join in criticising him , with others here , you will be wel come !.....ya ali madad
Intellect
This forum and these discussions, ranting, raving, demanding for a change and thoroughly criticising leadership - has it been effective? Have you gained any positive results? And have you achieved any satisfaction at all?
A learned sage has said that one should accept knowledge and ideas from anyone and anywhere and not look down upon the source. So please stop accusing me of being or wanting to be complicit with the leaders and stop ganging up on me. First of all, all of you need to calm down. Curb your anger. Breathe in deeply and listen carefully to what I have to say.
Your actions to date have resulted in not much. Intellect therefore suggests that a new approach is required. You should try it as you have nothing to lose, and at the moment, all of you are hitting your heads against a brick wall anyway.
I feel our beloved Hazar Imam is most merciful, most just, all knowing and Perfect. So how can He appoint such leaders and allow them to get away with such awful political behaviour? The answer is obvious: We have not asked Him to step in and sort out this mess. Instead, we have gone all out to try and bring down these leaders ourselves. And that has proved impossible upto now, perhaps because the Imam has appointed these leaders Himself and we have to respect that. By this I mean we have to directly but respectfully air our grievances to our leaders. If they don't respond positively then we have to turn to our Imam for His mercy and help. And hey presto! The problem will be solved to our satisfaction.
This is the new tactic that I am proposing. And to enlist our Imams help does not mean we have to write Him letters. Any hakikati momin will know that.
This is not an easy proposal. It requires faith and patience and so most people don't approve of it as they want instant satisfaction. But if ADOPTED it will be very effective and ultimately successful.
Such public outcries against leaders is not condone in our faith: Pir says "dithda dosh kisikuna dije...."
Imam Sultan Mohd Shah says "amebhi insaan na ebb upar pardo dhankiye chhe, to koi na ebb kholvano tamne shu(n) haq chhe" Need I say anything more?
That is why all letters, emails, outcries, protestations, discussions have not really worked. Think over this carefully, but calmy and rationally, not in anger and frustration.
Also how the leaders have behaved (forgeries, court cases, public denouncements etc) should not deter us from doing the right thing and getting our Imam on our side, which can only happen if we do RIGHT. After all, history bears witness that the Mahabharata was only won because Yudhishthir implored Lord Krishna to be their ally, whereas ignorant Duryodhan asked Shri Krishna to give him His army instead of Himself. Prophet Muhammed and his entire army could not win the battle of khyber until he beseeched Hazrat Ali to come and on the 40th day the battle was won.
Ya ali madad
Agreed. Imam is the last
Agreed. Imam is the last resort AFTER we have done and are doing what Imam has asked us to do. After we have exhaused all the efforts and avenues in doing what Imam says. Seek and share Farmans and to understand and impliment Farmans and our constitution. Seek accountablility and answers. The law of the land is above the constituion and complimentary. Seek to resolve issues internally. Finally when we including you, have all done that. Then we can go to the Imam and say we have done which Imam wishes we are all united and working together as a Jamat. We have shared and understood the Farmans and the constitution and our tariquah. When you have not done your best and you are all not sharing or working together, what will you say and what will Imam say ? You do not know Leaders are recomended and appointed by the Leaders and what they recomment are appointed institutionally and constitutionally.
There are compelling reasons why Imam allowed this case to continue after 15th Oct 2010, and why Imam said Leaders are not telling us ? Meaning he has told them to tell us and to share. Why is everyone working at every ITREB and Council not sharing today ? Are you sharing for example ?
And we must not forget from History the fatimid Empire, the tattle of karballa and Mawlana Rukhrudinshah !
"Fight, whenever required, to defend the cause of Allah. Do not be afraid that people will laugh at you, censure your action, or slander you. Fearlessly and boldly help truth and justice. Bear patiently the sufferings and face bravely the obstacles that come your way when you follow truth and try to uphold it. Adhere to the cause of truth and justice wherever you find it. Try to be well versed in Islamic law and theology and acquire a thorough knowledge of the canons of this religion" (Hazrat Mawla Murtaza Ali a.s.).
"In matters of Ismaili Tariqah, do not fear anyone. Even if you have to disrepute your name, lose your wealth, lose your progeny, forsake all these things but safeguard your religion." (Imam Sultan Mahomed Shah a.s.) - Did not Hazar Imam say the same in tanzani for us to discuss and share our tariquah with others internally and externally ?
I fully agree we must be respectful, humble and reasoned and not afraid to discuss and share the knowledge about our faith, as Imam wishes.
Best wishes in seeking and sharing knowledge in 2013.
Humble request to Bloglaw
May I humbly suggest that you retract your first sentence. I know you mean that the Imam has so much on His plate and we should only take this matter to Him after we, ourselves, have exhausted all means to elicit a settlement of this issue. Please learn to explain properly. Stating that the Imam is the last resort is an offensive statement, and hurts people like me who love the Imam dearly.
Now, are two years not enough? Haven't we tried our best? The fact that we are all at our wits' end is clearly indicated by the fact that some of us have resorted to name-calling (Mungu dongo, Khotedina etc). Such childish name-calling cannot be construed as harmless humour and actually shows that now we have nothing more that we can do. So please, let us adopt my proposal and beg the Imam to intervene and to allay our aching hearts. I implore thee all.
@No Ninda
Ya Ali Madad. Well said. Thank You.