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Defenses Glorifying the Aga Khan filed in federal Court - 2010-04-29

Date: 
Thursday, 2010, April 29
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Heritage News
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In a surprisingly rapid twist of events, both Mr Tajdin and Mr Jiwa have filed their respective statements of Defense this 29th of April 2010. They affirm to being devoted followers who will unconditionally abide by the wishes of the Aga Khan, whom they glorify in their defense.

Mr Tajdin declares that:

He has not been served yet but the ethics imposed upon him by his faith demands that he should not keep in ignorance the public by being silent on the issue and should clarify all of the facts, pertaining to this lawsuit, of which he is aware.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of his wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

He has been printing Farman books since 1992 with approval and instructions from the Imam received on August 15, 1992 in Montreal.

He has not received any communication from the Imam from 1992 to 2009 instructing him to stop publication.

He cannot stop publication without instruction from the Imam as this would be a breach of his oath of allegiance to the Imam.

All Farman publications were financial deficit projects done as a volunteer service and large numbers of books were distributed free of charge.

Farman sharing is a historic Ismaili tradition which still continues today.

The current Ismaili Constitution does not restrict the right to publish Farmans

Mr Tajdin concludes that:

He has no choice but to await further direct instructions from the Imam.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of His wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

Mr Jiwa states that:

"This action does not appear to have been authorized personally by the Aga Khan .."

"In distributing Farman books obtained from Tajdin to other Ismailis, he has not violated either the Ismaili Constitution or any Farmans"

He has not violated the copyright act as "Tajdin was given express authority by the Imam" and regardless of the fact that "the limitations period provided for by the Copyright Act also bars this action as the books containing the Farmans were commenced publication in the year 1992", he will still do whatever the Imam tells him to do.

Mr Jiwa clarifies finances:

He "obtains these books for C$50.00 from Tajdin and sells it for C$50.00, without any profit.

"All monies received by him from the sale of (other) books after 2005 were delivered to the Jamatkhanas"

Mr Jiwa further states that:

"If the Imam edited the Farman before releasing to the Jamats, in effect he is superceding the Farman he made orally previously."

He "unconditionally reconfirms his oath of allegiance to his Imam" and "if the Imam does not desire his Farman books to be distributed to the Jamats (...) this defendant will submit to the instructions of His Imam without reservation whatsoever"

Replies From the Plaintiff are due within 10 days, and Affidavits of Documents are due 30 days later.

[Update from May 6: Ogilvy Renault, the law firm which launched the case has asked for an extension of 15 days to reply to the Defense. They claim delays due to breakdown of email servers, blackberry communication, travel of senior lawyer, time difference with Paris etc...The more delays in this file, the more damage it creates to the reputation of the Ismaili community, the Imam and the defendants. It is to the advantage of all parties that this case be withdrawn from the courts.]

[Update from June 22: Defendants have filed a Motion for summary Judgement to have the case dismissed.]

[Update from September 5:
Online Book that gathers court materials as well as articles that are currently available for the ongoing 2010 Lawsuit:

Copyright Lawsuit 2010: Online Book of All available Materials
News on cross-examinations:
Copyright Lawsuit: CROSS_EXAMINATIONS Table of Contents - 2010-09-04
Latest Development
Copyright Lawsuit: Imam Appears for Discovery and Ends the Case - 2010-10-15
As users are asking to read the letters from Nagib and Alnaz on the court docket, the latest have been attached on the following link:
A. Various Court Filings

Revised Factums have been posted Here:
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment : Plaintiffs Revised Combined Factums of Reply and of Motion
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment: Defendants' Revised Factums of Motion and of Reply

There has been proven fraud in the recent past in the Aga Khan's domain by the Aga Khan's agents:
Aga Khan Lawsuit: Fraud at Aga Khan Studs - 2000-02-22

2011-05-25: A Jamati Member who has never met the Defendants volunteered as his brotherly duty to pay the $30,000 that was demanded in the Plaintiff''s submissions and that was accordingly ordered by the judge.
Read the full details of the $30,000 payment directly to H.H. The Aga Khan.

2011-06-16: The Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law against the Summary Judgment has been filed in court by the defendants on June 16th, 2011.
Read the Full Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law

Link to Court Docket Case T-514-10
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-60-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-59-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-156-13

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Comments

The agenda is clear. To get

The agenda is clear. To get all the names and to control and prolong the case.

So Mr Sachedina wants all

So Mr Sachedina wants all the names because he says H H The Aga Khan wants them and His Highness wants to personally select 10 names from the list to call or be called by ITREB Chairs? and asked if they bought the book and paid $50 for the book

Mr Gray says the Judge made a mistake in allowing Alnaz/Nagib to give 10 names.to Gray and Plaintiff ? The judge should have done what Gray wanted not what the Judge decided was fair and just.

Does the Aga Khan really want all the names from which to select 10 names so that he or ITREB Chairs can call them and ask if they bought a book and if they paid $50 for the Book. A book which the Imam and the court have authorised them to keep and share with their families and friends unconditionally.

Is this what Brian Gray is asking the Judge? If Gray really beleives the Aga Khan wants all the names, then why not discuss with Alnaz and Nagib and say the following for example;

Will you agree to give all the names to the Aga Khan directly, instead of the 10 names from which he can select 10 names to call, or give to Chairs of ITREBS to call and ask if these spiritual children bought the book and paid $50 ? (Mr Gray and Mr Sachedina do not need the names

So why new motions, & why appeal, with all the additional costs. Imam said to end the case on 15th Oct 2010, not to prolongue the case. The judge said the same.

His Highness the Aga Khan is

His Highness the Aga Khan is known for advocating and promoting pluralism, dialogue and conciliation. Not for confrontation and certainly not against his own followers who are his spiritual children.

Looks like Mr Sachedina will

Looks like Mr Sachedina will not stop at anything to win, and as he threatened to ruin these two spiritual children of His Highness the Aga Khan. Can you upload the motions and supporting documents filed by Gray.

As received And so now the

As received

And so now the question still remains unanswered....who gave this.. lawyer his fees? and from which bank account? and how much ? and from where was it paid?

Was it paid by the Vaziers and their .. members? I doubt ! Or was the fees paid from Imam's money but NOT by the Imam himself ?

It is also becoming clear by the day that the announcements made by LAKHANI in your JKs, was misleading and false.....in the same manner he and his wife have acted in front of the Imam as if they are husband and wife....when it is a widely known fact, based on his own admission that they are SEPARATED formally !!! and he is seen walking with his "Sati" walking behind him and Sachedina by his side....and so even Sachedina was a party to this farce, it seems...plus A J Dharamsey claims opnely he works for or with SACHEDINA AND SHERBANOO.... and this is simply unacceptable and horrible indeed and they should resign FROM THEIR POSTS !!!!!

Next Date in Cases in India

Dear All , Ya Ali Madad ,
on last date Hon. Judge saheb was on leave , and , being May - June vacation period , the cases were adjourned to - on 05 /07 /2013 ..... thank you.......ya ali madad .....!

We need an army of

We need an army of whistleblowers who Love the Imam, and who tell the truth and when they know Leaders are not doing what Imam is saying, they refuse to follow those Leaders and ask them to follow Imam's Farmans

Latest Judgement Appealed by Sachedina

Notice of Motion contained within a Motion Record on behalf of Plaintiff in writing to be placed before the Court in Ottawa for reconsideration of Order of Justice Tremblay-Lamer, dated 24-apr-2013 filed on 06-MAY-2013

Brian Gray who admitted in an email to Dharamsey that he takes orders from Sachedina, has appealed the decision which could have ended the case. This latest attempt to prolong the case goes directly against Imam's instructions that the matter should be put to rest.

Can you get and upload the

Can you get and upload the motion and affidavit of Gray to appeal. Hazar Imam has not signed a single afidavit in this case so this will be another motion and appeal with no affidavit from Hazar Imam.

Judgement.............

I had last night to sleep over this appeal thing...............

There can only be one reason.....Nagib (on his own) should NOT meet with MHI as per the court's orders to hand over
the ten names.......

Obviuosly FEAR is now setting in and the end appears to be nearer............

Thank you.

Obviously filing a Motion

Obviously filing a Motion for Review and at the same time filing an Appeal is like shooting in all direction, typical of a hasty panic decision..

Not only that but Shafik

Not only that but Shafik Sachedina and Co do not want the ITREB Heads to to talk directly to MHI or the 10 names and report back only to MHI. They know now they can fool some some of the time but not all all the time.

Judgement

Sad, sad, sad .............

Truth has to prevail.....

Letter and request sent to

Letter and request sent to our Leaders and Boards.

Hazar Imam has asked us to resolve all matters internally & work together. Hazar Imam also gave directions to end this lawsuit and asked Shafik and M Manji to work with Nagib and Alnaz. (15th Oct 2010). I attach my complaints to ICO which I am finalizing.

I urge you and our constitutional Boards to urgently requisition the facts to consider and pass appropriate Board resolutions. Even to recommend resignation, suspension or removal of some Board members, be it Shafik Sachedina, M Keshavjee, Aziz Bhaloo, and/or others

You have access to all the evidence. Hazar Imam has authorized and wants absolute clarity ,“….Mawlana Hazar Imam has authorised the LIF to share with the Jamaat its background, in order that there is absolute clarity .. … numerous prior efforts to address the concerns internally..”. from LIF Announcement 15th April 2010 ( But there was no contact with Alnaz Jiwa – selective internal effort by Shafik - Only Shafik not LIF not ICAB not any Presidents ? Not Mukhis? – so what sad last resort? - no clarity provided even today - Hence not respecting Hazar Imam)

Shafik Sachedina said under oath below that he was going to the airport to fly to London. All the Airports were closed due to Volcanic ash. And Azim Lakani Chairman, said he was not consulted or aware. Shafik says “'I am now authorizing you to release this announcement through the LIF. Talk to Azim, talk to everybody..” (Did Shafik talk to everybody ? and tell everybody what Imam told him to tell them ? London GJ Farman?)

Mahebub Chatur

What Sachedina said under Oath - He said was going to the Airport to fly to London – All Airports were closed ! This was 15TH APRIL 2010. Hazar Imam and Shafik were in London on 11th and 12th April 2010. Hazar Imam did not menntion this announcement to Leaders when he met them ?

Sachedina #727 - #745:
Cross-Examination by Mr Tajdin.

[LONG EMAIL CUT BY ADMIN]

How can Leaders who know

How can Leaders who know this and read this, do not tell them to resign and if they refuse to vote them out as they can under our constitution. Why are they not doing this ? What are they benefiting by not doing so ?

Leaders dont accept blame

Leaders dont accept blame and correct their mistakes. So they blame others !

Ugandan teachers ‘less interested in professional development
The teachers say
" Ms Elizabeth Gabona, the director of higher technical vocational education at the Ministry of Education, - teachers who apply for scholarships are often out-competed by other professionals because of substandard essays. - teachers still use outdated teaching materials which are not at par with the modern trends that use the Internet. Ms Gabona said teachers had a disadvantage in gaining scholarships because they could not defend their cases ?

What the top Leaders says " at a dinner hosted for educationists "Mr Mahmood Ahmed, the Aga Khan Development Network (AKDN) resident representative, said he was dismayed by the low uptake of scholarships by Ugandan teachers he said, adding: “His Highness the Aga Khan believes in world standards where it is no longer acceptable for mediocrity to be the order of the day in the developing world,” he told the guests.

So what has he done in the last 15 years to say he is dismayed ? Does he not know the reason? Or he wants to blame others for his mistakes which he does not want to admit or correct?

Letter sent to Mohammed

Letter sent to Mohammed Keshavjee cc to ICAB & NCAB including Shafik Sachedina. M Manji Aziz Bhaloo and Azim Lakhani

"Dear Mohammed,
Please clarify the following regarding your NEW and you claim “ground breaking” book. You say you show (But do not practice), Alternative Dispute resolution can revitalise some of the essential principles that underlie Muslim teachings and jurisprudence, based on equity and non-adversarial conflict-resolution.

Your Book and some questions !
1 288 pages
2 Sale Price RRP £56.60p – commercially motived for profit
3 How much did you get paid, and how much will you get for every book sold ?
4 Will this book be recommended directly or indirectly by our Jamats institutions and leveraged ? Who will benefit ? you others or Jamat ?
5 Did you not and will you use your positions and or contacts of our institutions to benefit from the content, and sales of this book ?
6 You are currently Govenor of IIS and consultant via AKDN-DJI and were head of ITREBS globally and Head of NCABS and ICABS training with multi positions and of course doubling up via DJI/IIS/AKDN.
7 If you did not have these positions and network, would anyone buy your book , and would publishers publish the book ?
8 Why was this not published by IIS or Islamic Publications Limited ?
9 Have you offered books free of Charge, for the Jamats institutions and if so how many and to whom.

Nagib Tajdins Book of Farmans - Now compare with your book !

1 1600 pages plus audio – motived by service to the Jamat and love for Hazar imam’s Farmans - not for profit.
2 Price £32.50 - ($50) - over five times the size of your book
3 Over 2500 books offered free of charge for Jamat (you as Head of ITREBS sent a misleading joint announcements, and you inter alia marginalised Nagib and Alnaz without even speaking to them and you allowed misleading documents from you (ITREBS), to be used in the lawsuit against Nagib and Alnaz Knowing Hazar Imam has not asked you/Shafik/ or Aziz to submit an affidavit)
4 Many books were given free of charge by Nagib. (Many put the money in JK as a mehmani)
5 Nagib published this book with NO self interest what so ever. That includes the website where he has been publishing content as another Seva for the benefit of the Jamat (for over 20 years)
6 Nagib published this book solely as a seva for the Jamat and as Hazar Imam directed in a mehmani in 1992.
7 Unlike you, Nagib did not get a huge salary paid by the Jamats instititions, with many benefits and an extra spending budget of hundreds of thousands of dollars with full access to all the Jamats resources including for your book, Gulji’s, and consultancies. (remember our meetings and conversations)

M Keshavjee Book - Islam, Shari'a and Alternative Dispute Resolution: Mechanisms for Legal Redress in the Muslim Community (Hardback). 288 pages. ISBN 13: 9781848857322 ISBN 10:1848857322 "

letter sent to Mohammed

YA ALI MADAD:

" 6 You are currently Govenor of IIS and consultant via AKDN-DJI and were head of ITREBS globally and Head of NCABS and ICABS training with multi positions and of course doubling up via DJI/IIS/AKDN. "

With multi positions and interests and such a busy schedule I wonder how did he get time to write a book. If he is a paid employee of any of the institutions and wrote even a single pages during his employment or used any resources from any of the institutions inventory, he just sow the seed of mistrust and dishonestly and misuse of power.

M Keshavjee close to NCAB,

M Keshavjee close to NCAB, ICAB and Judiciary. " Speech given by M Keshavjee in the presence of the Chief Justice of B.C., the Honourable Lance Finch, the Attorney General of B.C, the Honourable Wally Oppal and the Chairperson of His Highness Prince Aga Khan Shia Imami Ismaili National Conciliation and Arbitration Board for Canada, the Honourable Judge Shehni Dossa (Who after 6 years promoted to ICAB)
http://www.iis.ac.uk/view_article.asp?ContentID=108757

Let us compare Mohammed

Let us compare Mohammed Keshavjee's Book to Nano wisdoms who are publishing Imams speeches and writings (which are Farmans as defined by Hazar Imam in our constitution)

Publication (Author) - Nano wisdoms

Subject - Imams speeches and writings (approved by Imam)

Number of Pages in publication - Over 4500 (Plus, word searchable/digital/themed/indexed/cross reference-excellent)

The Price RRP - FREE OF CHARGE FOR EVERYONE (compared to $ 89 each book by M Keshavjee)

Motivation to Publish - Love for Imam and Jamat - not for any profit or self interest

Was he employed & paid by our Institutions for over 25 years - NO

Does he have a Leadership position - NO

Does he give Free of Charge to Jamats - YES and to everyone

Social inclusion & responsibility - Sharing Freely unlike M Keshavjee selling for excessive greed and profit)

Approved by Hazar Imam - YES (6 months after 15th October 2010 Imam gave this unique permission and honour

Did he get Access to Jamats institutional resources & research - NO ( M Keshavjee has full access)

Is he using our Institutional knowledge - resources for personal benefit - NO ( M Keshavjee is)

Done solely for Love of Knowledge Imam and Jamat - YES

Contains Imams Guidances (Tawil & Talim) -YES

Offered to IIS ITREBS Institutions to work together - YES ( M Keshavjee Governor of IIS but book not published by IIS)

Full Coorporation and suppport from TOP Leaders - NO despite approval by Imam ( M Keshavjee gets full support)

Is this Time and Knowledge (TKN), - YES -thousands of hours and ongoing.

Telecom Development Company

Telecom Development Company Afghanistan, which operates under the ‘Roshan’ brand name, has secured funding of $65 million from the International Finance Corporation (IFC) to support the rollout of its 3G network, Roshan was awarded Afghanistan’s third 3G concession in September 2012, paying USD 25 million for the authorisation.

K Khoja CEO and his wife MD, both with muti interests will be in Dubai on business this week. I wonder what business and whose business ?

Karim Khoja. Business partner with Firoza Rasool his btother in Law (Chairman Aga Khan University)
He says he has over 25 years of experience in the telecommunications industry,including starting and managing extremely successful GSM companies in Pakistan, Poland, Croatia, Tajikistan and Afghanistan.
Mr. Khoja started his GSM career as CEO for Mobilink in Pakistan, and then launched Era GSM in Poland. He then went on to form the company, HT Mobile, from Croatia Telecom. He is the Chairman of the Afghan Investment Climate facility, a £30m fund to encourage private enterprise, an advisor to the GSMA Development Fund and an Associate Board Member of the Legatum Center at MIT.
Mrs Shainoor Khoja (Wife)
In October 2011 Shainoor launched Better Business Enterprise (BBE), Shainoor has held the position of Managing Director Roshan Community, at Afghanistan’s no1 mobile operator since 2004 and is concluding her role in December 2011. Shainoor has been an integral part of the fund raising cycles for Roshan that have raised in excess of US$180 million for the company. Shainoor used her contacts and experience in emerging market fund raising Shainoor holds several board positions: Social Venture Networks, FOCUS Humanitarian Assistance Program, Vision Spring and MODiSE (telemedicine)

How many Ismailis are benefiting and how many are still very poor and lact warm cloting, food and basic education ?.

AKDN new Head in Afghanistan

AKDN new Head in Afghanistan and kyrgistan (untill a new head there is appointed) - Nurjehan Mawani says to students and Leaders present.
"...Pluralism means respecting and recognizing diversity and the right of each and every individual and community to participate fully in society. you are living pluralism – working together, living together and bridging differences to
improve your community and your society. Pluralism is part of your make-up – it is second-nature.

Sadly, across the globe, pluralism is all too often rejected, mainly based on fear: fear of the unknown, fear
of change, fear of the other perspective. This rejection, dear graduates, breeds much of the destructive
conflict in our world today as people go to war over ideology and resources, attack each other for being
different, or sometimes for challenging the status quo.
Be true to yourselves always, and to your ethics and values.."

Will there be any Change by walking the talk, or more of the same ?

AKDN - AKFED

AKDN - AKFED to inject 200 million Euros more to cover losses in loss making Meridiana Fly Airline. The market value is also down by over 30%

Meridiana fly is a part of AKDN- AKFED aviation investments also in Air Uganda Ivory coast. Mali Ivory Coast and Krygistan.

Tuesday, 30 Apr 2013 03:00am EDT - Meridiana fly SpA announced that the Shareholders' Meeting, in order to cover the Company's losses, it has approved to reconstitution of the Company's share capital though the issuance of maximum 106,376,663 ordinary shares with the same characteristics of the current shares with a subscription price of EUR 1.89 and, thus, for a total of up to maximum EUR 201,051,893.07. October 31, 2013 is the last date for the share capital increase subscription.

Multi interests - more !

Khoja is also Head of AKFED and so now reports to Nurjehan Mawani who he has been working with in Krygistan
" Nurjehan Mawani said. Particularly, reconstruction of Naryn airport, investments into the country's telecommunications sector, completion of construction of the University of Central Asia in Naryn region, construction of the Aga Khan Academy in Bishkek are planned. The first stage of reconstruction of Naryn airport, which includes fencing of the airport territory and provision of the latest air navigation equipment, may start in April 2012. The second stage includes extension of the runway of the airport. The overall sum of investments will reach $45 million, said Karim Khoja, Head of the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development. The project on Naryn airport reconstruction and architectural design of the University of Central Asia in Naryn region were presented for Prime Minister Babanov at the meeting."

A copy of my Letter to our

A copy of my Letter to our Leaders at the Top.

"Subject: WHY & The solutions Ismaili families still suffering - shortage of food and warm clothing - Helpless Ismailies asking for HELP since 22 december 2012 REMINDER

Why are so many Ismailies extremely poor and helpless ? Despite a heavy presence of the Jamats institutions and resources ? Despite GJ goals, funds & Farmans given 6 years ago.

Hazar Imam says, Leaders at the top with governing authority, need to foster an “enabling environment” which encourages the Jamat and leaders at lower levels. If Leaders don’t, then progress in the community will be severely restricted. Leaders at the top are not. Read what Hazar Imam says on enabling and assisting ; https://www.facebook.com/notes/nanowisdoms-archive-of-imamat-speeches-in...

After creating an “enabling environment” which encourages creative endeavour. IF Top Leaders do not work together with the Jamat (Lower level), progress of the Jamat as a whole will be severely restricted. Top Leaders are not at present). Read what Hazar Imam says; https://www.facebook.com/notes/nanowisdoms-archive-of-imamat-speeches-in...

The sooner you do what Hazar Imam says, the sooner the Jamats “entire”, intellects and resources can be used for the benefit of the Jamats. The sooner we do so , the sooner we can eradicate extreme poverty & replace walls “created” to divide, with bridges which “enable” and unite.

Please correct me if I am wrong. The Jamat is waiting for the Jamats resources you say you have to help your brothers and sisters.
Mahebub

Response from a leader who

Response from a leader who loves Imam and the Jamat.

" Social exclusion is systemic... The problem seems to lie in what some have called ‘class consciousness.’ When one is doing fine, and is dealing with middle or upper class people like oneself all the time, it is difficult to comprehend and care that there exist Ismailis who are very poor, living from hand to mouth. (Recall Marie Antoinette’s famous statement when told that people did not have bread to eat: she exclaimed merrily, “then let them eat cake!”).

The poor generally do not want to show their poverty, and when they come to Jamatkhana they wear their finest clothes to veil their true situation. Most of the institutional programs giving advice on matters such as finance or education are completely irrelevant to the poor because they are devised with the middle class Ismailis in mind.

When Hazar Imam initially asked institutions to look into this matter, there was complete denial that that there was poverty among Ismailis. It was only after repeated insistence on his part was there even the acknowledgement of the problem.”

Letter sent to Mohammed

Letter sent to Mohammed Keshavjee

"..Do you agree you are disrespecting Farmans of Hazar Imam and not doing even what you say you should be doing?

Farman to Jamat "... I would like you always to think of YOUR institutions as being YOUR OWN organizations “, and if they are not fulfilling your wishes it is up to you to see that you explain YOUR needs in such a manner that these organizations do fulfill YOUR wishes.” (6 December 1964)

I hope you will reconsider to meet to resolve internally, and work together as Imam wishes in Farmans.
Mahebub

M Keshavjee said as Head of ITREBS Globally and Head of Training and NCABS-ICABS “..The ethic of fair mediation is frequently expounded in the Quran which says: “He who shall mediate between people for a good purpose shall be the gainer by it. But he who shall mediate with an evil mediation shall reap the fruit of it. And Allah keepeth watch over everything.” … Seek reconciliation with your brother, even if he throws dust at you.” ..According to a Shia tradition, .. Jafar as-Sadiq who, for instance, is reported to have said: “The charity which Allah loves the most is the peace re-established between quarrelling parties...”

M Keshavjee was controlling

M Keshavjee was controlling the ITREB Chairs meeting in London recently with Zauhar Meghji and Shiraz Kabani ? - Were they doing what Imam says ? read comment http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/29740#comment-17003

ITREB Chair UK Salima G

ITREB Chair UK Salima G Bhatia, said the following at an open meeting with the Jamat in London

Question by the Jamat.
Why are Farmans only allowed to be read in JK, and not published like they were some time ago and for the Jamat to buy them to read at home.

Answer to the Jamat
a. There is a book with Mawla Bapa which we are waiting for and this will be published by ITREB, when Mawla Bapa gives the go ahead.
b. Meanwhile reading Farmans in Jamat Khanna is the right environment to read Farmans.
c. For those who cannot get Farmans in JK or it is inconvenient they can make arrangements to go to ITREB and ITREB will arrange the Farmans you need to read at times convenient for the Jamat.
d. Alwaez’s and Teachers are given access to read Farman’s for their work. Mukhi Sahebs have and can get any Farmans they need from ITREB.

Is ITREB Chair right ?
ITREB Chair has listened to a farman read in Jamat Khanna in which Hazar Imam said to the Jamat & Leaders that you must take this Farman home to read it and share it with your families and the Jamat. So it is not Hazar Imam ITREB are waiting for. Why does she (ITREB), have them but the Jamat cannot. ? Hazar Imam has allowed all those who have the book published by Nagib to keep and share with their families. All muirds are equal. Leaders are murids first and leaders second. All Mukhis do not have all Farmans but a selection of them

Therefore ITREB Chair is not right, and is going against Hazar Imam's wishes by not getting/giving Farmans to the Jamat to take home and read and share with thrir families. She knows that ITREB UK have not been given all the Farmans by DJI (Shafik Sachedina & Company\)

What Allah says in The Quran

What Allah says in The Quran

• 1. Respect and Honour All Human Beings irrespective Of Their Religion, Colour, Race, Sex, Language, Status, Property, Birth, Profession / Job And So On [17/70]
• 2. Talk Straight, To The Point,Without Any Ambiguity Or Deception [33/70]
• 3. Choose Best Words To Speak And Say Them in The Best Possible Way[17/53, 2/83]
• 4. Do Not Shout. Speak Politely Keeping Your Voice Low. [31/19]
• 5. Always Speak The Truth. Shun Words That Are Deceitful And Ostentatious [22/30]
• 6. Do Not Confound Truth With Falsehood [2/42]
• 7. Say With Your Mouth What is in Your Heart [3/167]
• 8. Speak in A Civilised Manner in A Language That is Recognised By The Society And is Commonly Used [4/5]
• 9. When You Voice An Opinion, Be Just, Even if it is Against A Relative [6/152]
• 10. Do Not Be A Bragging Boaster [31/18] •
• 11. Do Not Talk, Listen Or Do Anything Vain [23/3, 28/55]
• 12. Do Not Participate in Any Paltry. If You Pass Near A Futile Play, Then Pass By With Dignity [25/72]
• 13. Do Not Verge Upon Any immodesty Or Lewdness Whether Surreptitious Or Overt [6/151].
• 14. If, Unintentionally, Any Misconduct Occurs By You, Then Correct Yourself Expeditiously [3/134].
• 15. Do Not Be Contemptuous Or Arrogant With People [31/18]
• 16. Do Not Walk Haughtily Or With Conceit [17/37, 31/18]
• 17. Be Moderate in Thy Pace [31/19]
• 18. Walk With Humility And Sedateness [25/63]
• 19. Keep Your Gazes Lowered Devoid Of Any Lecherous Leers And Salacious Stares [24/30-31, 40/19].
• 20. If You Do Not Have Complete Knowledge About Anything, Better Keep Your Mouth Shut. You Might Think That Speaking About Something Without Full Knowledge is A Trivial Matter. But it Might Have Grave Consequences [24/15-16]
• 21. When You Hear Something Malicious About Someone, Keep A Favourable View About Him/Her Until You Attain Full Knowledge About The Matter. Consider Others innocent Until They Are Proven Guilty With Solid And Truthful Evidence [24/12-13]
• 22. Ascertain The Truth of any news, lest you smite someone in ignorance and afterwards repent of what you did [49/6]
• 23. Do not follow blindly any information of which you have no direct knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception) you must verify it for yourself. In the Court of your Lord, you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning [17/36].
• 24. Never think that you have reached the final stage of knowledge and nobody knows more than yourself. Remember! Above everyone endowed with knowledge is another endowed with more knowledge [12/76]. Even the Prophet [PBUH] Was asked to keep praying,
• "O My Sustainer! Advance me in knowledge." [20:114]

@ AK

YA ALI MADAD:

You have given a treasure chest ISLAMIC VALUES to the people in just a brief note. I thank you for your sharing of DIVINE KNOWLEDGE.
On April 24th Heritage librarian given accounts of the court order as follows:

"3. The Court further orders, as a condition of making this Order, that information will be given to the Plaintiff His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan and Plaintiff's legal counsel and the Plaintiff shall share this information only with the following named representatives of the Plaintiff, each of whom is the Chairman of the Ismaili Tariqah and Religious Education Board (ITREB) in his or her respective country: - Alijah Dr. Mohamud Amirali Karim (Canada) - Huzur Mukhiani Shahinour Nathoo (France) - Alijah Saheba Guilner Riyaaz Makaney (India) - Alijah Hassan Noorali Chatur Popat (Kenya) - Huzur Mukhi Azzim Gulamhussen (Portugal) - Rai Abdulaziz Akberali Lalani (Tanzania) - Alijah Saheba Arzina Riyaz Kurji (Uganda) - Huzur Mukhiani Salima Gowerali Bhatia (United Kingdom) - Alijah Al-Karim Sadruddin Alidina (United States of America) to be used solely for the aforementioned purpose."

My very simple observation is all the names in this paragraph are the CHAIRS OF ITREB in their local jurisdiction, Almost everyone is either an ALIJAH, RAI, MUKHIS OR MUKHANIS. Not a single regular name or general public. And, I bet you none of these ELITE ISMAILIS either is a graduate of ISLAMIC STUDIES OR ISMAILI STUDIES, no diplomas or any other credentials that could justify their appointments, but, they are also holding multiple interest. Why is this INJUSTICE when QURAN AND THE TEACHING OF HAZRAT ALI clearly have most emphasis on JUSTICE AND EQUALITY.

My personal experiences, tell you the truth I would not even hire any of them for a regular clerk's position let alone managing directors or chairs.The reason if there is ONE bad fish it is understandable but every institutions,come on, from the cleaning committee to volunteers to the chairs, the whole pond with the exception of few GOOD ONES, the balance of power is overwhelmingly in the hands of bad fishes and THEY RULE. The lawn of our community was green and lush until one bad WEED popped out, nobody killed that weed and it started spreading now the whole lawn is full of ugly weeds and very very few good green grass left.

YA ALI MADAD.

I think a majority of the

I think a majority of the Leaders and the Jamat still do not know and have been conditioned to believe the Leaders who keep using the name of Imam. We have a culture of secrecy which suits the SS gang. Many more are now sharing questioning and waking up.

All of these people have

All of these people have either bought the book or received it free, that is a truth all the Ismailis know. All of these people know that the book was sold at $50 or less. I wonder how they will react by seeing that they are the "chosen people"

@ intregity and Librarian

you guys are both right, just for one moment think, if there is a TALIKA or some instructions to be read in the JK and that talika or instructions are ADDRESSED to the president of council, how come people know the contents of that message before they are read. Secondly, how often the most intimate details of couple getting a divorce through ICAB is made public or leaked. There are many instances this has happened the confidentiality aspect has been compromised. Now the real question is WILL THESE 10 NAMES OR INDIVIDUALS EVER BECOME PUBLIC AFTER IT IS TRANSFERED FROM MHI'S RADAR TO WHOEVER, . we will have to wait and see.

YA ALI MADAD

They have book

If there is a book with Malwabapa, then it was prepared by the Leadres and they have copies. So they approved them. Imam has said Jamat can have them. So why are they not giving them to the Jamat. That can only be because they want to benefit but they do not want the Jamat to benefit from them.

So why did they even bother

So why did they even bother sending it to MHI to approve it in the first place?

I don't think they had the

I don't think they had the authorisation from the Imam to print Farmans. The numbers of changes and corrections they make is mind-blowing.

There was a process in the old Constitution for our institutions to print the Farmans. Hazar Imam removed this from the new constitution.

I don't think they had the..............

Now I am totally confused.........

Mawla says in a Firman (India), My murids should take home My Firmans and talk and discuss them with their family, friends, etc..........

Mawla has removed from the constitution (maybe only 1 in 100,000) may have seen or heard about this constitution or amendments) .........(the process for our institutions to print)...

Mawla say in His GJ Firman in London My leaders are NOT telling you what I tell them to...............

So what now Umed?

Please intervene and enlighten us ignoramus's.........

Thank you,,,,,,,,,

The burden is on the Murids

The burden is on the Murids to take home the Farmans. Not to rely on someone to spoon-feed them the Farmans.

Which ever Murid desire to take home the Farmans will have to do his own arrangement which practically is not difficult, If there is a will, there is always a way, and where there is not, the Imam will make the way..

All of you want the farmans. The question is, how many really want them, how many fight to get them, how many deserve it?

If Gold and Diamond were found in the street or in the trees, they would not be precious. Whatever is precious in this world deserve the effort to get it.

What about 50% of the

What about 50% of the Farmans which are hidden ? What about Imam's annotations ? What about the wordly Farmans and economic Farmans which Imam said Leaders are not passing on ? What about the Jamats resources and reports being blocked ?

IF Murids who are working closely with those who are blocking decide to tell the truth and share, then the Jamat will have them all. I agree the burden and responibility is on the Muirds. Every murid must ask, share and do what Imam says. .

The burden is on the Murids

Very, very sorry Umed.......I did not make myself clear enough......

I am totally with you that whoever desires will somehow be able to get whatever he/she desires.......

That is not my query. My confusion is regarding different comments about printing and making them available. At one place MHI wants us to read and discuss His Firmans and He says that the leaders are NOT...etc. Then, I now read a new comment about the constitution wherein MHI has removed the process for the printing of the Firmans.

Does this mean that we should leave aside all leaders and institutions and search for the "Precious Gems" ourselves? Since no printing will ever take place?

BTY.... I DID procure the GJ FIRMAN book and will never give it up now that MHI has given us the permission.

Thank you.

Letter to ITREB UK and

Letter to ITREB UK and President UK

" I have asked, and not read or listened in JK, to any Farmans which say Hazar Imam does not want his murids to have or take Farmans home to read, understand, & to share them. On the contrary, I have many which say the very opposite. And so do our earlier Imams and the Quran.

I have also sent many Farmans to Salima (Chair ITREB UK), and the attached 69 reasons/Farmans. (updated 18 April 13). This excludes the Farman read last week in WL JK (Central Asia) in which Imam asks murids/Leaders to take Farmans home to read and understand. Do you therefore agree this Farman is not superseded, or it would not have been read in JK. Will you please give me a copy of that Farman to read at home ? Since this farman is current do you agree Muirds can take farmans home to read.

I ask Salima and President Amin to reconsider and start giving farmans to interested murids to take home to read and to their loved ones in hospices or dying. ( Also If earlier books and booklets of Farmans published are sold in JK & can be given, then why not later Farmans).

Do you agree, all Farmans Hazar Imam makes are for the benefit of his murids. You are a murid & were appointed to “serve all murids, and in serving murids you are serving Hazar Imam (from a Farman). Farmans are made for the benefit of murids. How can they benefit, If they do not have them to study, understand and share with their families and children ? "

The Judge says clearly that

The Judge says clearly that the Court beleives that this matter should be brought to a conclusion forthwith.in view of the limited scope of the financial issue.and the extent of the resources allocated"

Hazar Imam said on 15th October to put this matter to rest. The Judge is saying the same, and the judge has cleverly made the order so that Gray has to speak only to H H The Agakhan and give the names only to him and no one else..

Will Shafik Sachedina now end this and resign or will Leaders and Boards table this on their formal and informal Board agandas ?

Latest Court Order is on the Docket

2013-04-24 Ottawa
Order dated 24-APR-2013 rendered by The Honourable Madam Justice Tremblay-Lamer Matter considered with personal appearance The Court's decision is with regard to Motion in writing Doc. No. 174

Result: granted in part

"THIS COURT ORDERS that:

1. This motion is granted in part and the appeal is allowed in part.

2. The Order of the Prothonotary dated October 29, 2012 is set aside, with the sole exception that the Court orders the Defendants to provide the Plaintiff and his legal counsel with the names of ten (10) purchasers of the material in dispute, being a book entitled "Farmans 1957-2009 ¿ Golden Edition Kalam-E Imam-E-Zaman", for the sole purpose of ascertaining the purchase price paid by them.

3. The Court further orders, as a condition of making this Order, that information will be given to the Plaintiff His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan and Plaintiff's legal counsel and the Plaintiff shall share this information only with the following named representatives of the Plaintiff, each of whom is the Chairman of the Ismaili Tariqah and Religious Education Board (ITREB) in his or her respective country: - Alijah Dr. Mohamud Amirali Karim (Canada) - Huzur Mukhiani Shahinour Nathoo (France) - Alijah Saheba Guilner Riyaaz Makaney (India) - Alijah Hassan Noorali Chatur Popat (Kenya) - Huzur Mukhi Azzim Gulamhussen (Portugal) - Rai Abdulaziz Akberali Lalani (Tanzania) - Alijah Saheba Arzina Riyaz Kurji (Uganda) - Huzur Mukhiani Salima Gowerali Bhatia (United Kingdom) - Alijah Al-Karim Sadruddin Alidina (United States of America) to be used solely for the aforementioned purpose.

4. The information obtained in the response to this question shall be used for the sole purpose of this litigation and shall be subject to the obligation of confidentiality required by the implied undertaking rule.

5. The whole without costs." Filed on 24-APR-2013 certified copies sent to 2 co-counsel for Plaintiff and counsel for Defendants by fax on 24-APR-2013 Transmittal Letters placed on file. entered in J. & O. Book, volume 1191 page(s) 123 - 125 Interlocutory Decision

http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?...

Shukhr - A copy of my letter

Shukhr - A copy of my letter to Salima Bhatia UK and cc to Leaders, NCAB and ICAB. I hope Leaders will now work together and end this case as directed by Hazar Imam on 15 October 2010.

Dear Salima,

"See order below. You are also mentioned in this court order.

The motion of Nagib and Alnaz was granted. 10 names will be given with a specific condition. The names are not to be given to Shafik Sachedina or M Manji or Azim Lakhani or M Keshavjee or A Bhaloo or DJI.

The court orders that only Hazar Imam can personally share these names with you if Hazar Imam wishes. This is from my first reading of the ruling. I assume you will ask lawyers in NCAB and ICAB to advise you, if my understanding is incorrect.

Therefore if you get these 10 names from any other source that would be a breach of the court order. Even if you get from Mr Gray or DJI or others. The use of names is limited to litigation. The Judge realised this is a witch hunt.

Best Regards and Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub

Who is teeling the truth.

Who is teeling the truth. As received.
".Most important - The Judge decided that Nagib and Alnaz are telling the truth. Read and Judge for yourself
.
1 Why the Judge does not want S Sachedina and A Bhaloo to be given the 10 names of Ismailis who bought the book (which Imam has said they can keep and share)
i. Because the Judge believes Nagib and Alnaz are telling the truth.

2 Why the Judge ruled, that even Gray cannot give the 10 names to anyone else, other than personally and only to Hazar Imam ?
i. Because the judge believes that Nagib and Alnaz are telling the truth

3 Why did the Judge say that only Hazar Imam can personally give the 10 names directly to the named Chairs of ITREB –
i. Because the Judge has decided Nagib and Alnaz, are telling the truth, and
ii. The judge therefore wants Hazar Imam to directly and personally talk to the named ITREB Chairs. Not Via Brian Gray, or DJI, or Shafik and or M Manji and or LIF or A Bhaloo.

4 The Judge does not want the 10 names to be given to Shafik Sachedina or to Aziz Bhaloo even though they are the only ones who gave an affidavit without being asked by Hazar Imam
i. Because the judge believes Nagib and Alnaz

5 Why did the Judge say that the 10 names of those who bought the book is to be only used to check the price. Nothing else whatsoever.
i. Because the judge believed Nagib and Alnaz are telling the truth regarding inter alia witch hunt, marginalization, misinformation, misleading information, threats including to ruin, inciting and or making death threats, and or physical violence against Nagib and Alnaz. Remember Alnaz was attacked inside the Jamat Khanna and what the Judge said in his Judgment in favour of Alnaz.

THE BIG QUESTION ;

Will Sachedina, Bhaloo, & Manji do what Hazar Imam said on 15 October 2010, in Farmans and our constitution, and .
• Will they end this case and work together with Nagib, Alnaz (and the Jamat), OR
• Will they continue on the path of confrontation and making a mockery of our constitution, our Farmans and our community.
I urge all our Leaders to facilitate a meeting to work together internally as Hazar Imam has directed us to do in Farmans and in this case on 15th October 2010.

Brian Gray can only give the

Brian Gray can only give the 10 names to His Highness the Aga Khan personally, and to no one else.

His Highness the Aga Khan share the 10 names personally and only with the ITREB Chairs listed, for the sole purpose of confirming the price paid for the book if any ! (We know Hazar Imam said on 15th October 2010 and Imam allowed the books to be retained and is not interested in the price or the costs..

Therefore If any Leader gets the 10 names from anyone other than His Highness the Aga Khan, there is a breach of the court order and contempt of Court.

When Brian Gray gets the names and then gives the names only and personally to His Highness, he will have to explain why the case was not ended as directed by the Aga khan on 15th October 2010.

One more point

Based on this "The Court further orders, as a condition of making this Order, that information will be given to the Plaintiff His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan and Plaintiff's legal counsel"
I think we can also all out to rest the MHI was and is truly the Plaintiff indeed and not SS. Am I correct?

A judge refers to the Plaintiff

A judge never adds more than the plaintiff - in this case the Judge added the name - why do you think the Judge added the name and not just referred to the plaintiff , as simply the plaintiff - you have you answer if you really want to know the truth.

The Court knows the truth.

The Court knows that the Imam can not go to this extend of vendetta. Justice Gorewitch said that the case was conducted by the Aga Khan OR his advisers. This Court now knows Hazar Imam has nothing to do with the witch hunt. She gave to Gray his own medication.

Above all, on 15 October 2010 Hazar Imam told Gray "Put the matter to rest!" What did this Court say 3 years later? The beginning of the Order is an eye opener, almost as if Hazar Imam had inspired the Judge, she says "Upon considering that this Court has expressed to the parties that it believes that the matter should be brought to a conclusion forthwith, in light of the limited financial scope of the debate in issue and the extent of resources allocated to this file as of this date"

If they would have obeyed the Imam, they would not be in this situation today. Now when the ITREB Chair receive the names from SS or Gray or from some Carnegie or some Tom, Dick and Harry, they will know it is not the Imam.

Does the Order mean that; Nagib

Does this mean that;

Nagib and Alnaz will send the 10 names direct to MHI or in a sealed envelope via the President of Council in Canada?

They will also give the 10 names to Brian Gray who can only pass to MHI and cannot use them at all to check anything except the price of books sold to the 10 names

MHI if he wishes, will call ITREB chairs named personally to ask them to contact those murids to ask them if they bought a book and what price they paid for the book.

So if anyone of the 10 is contacted they must ask did MHI personally call you or told you to call and ask the price ? . If answer is no there is a breach of the court order?

Will MHI really call an ITREB chair to ask a murid when Imam has allowed him- her to keep and share the book ? And when Imam said on 15 Oct 2010 to end the case and work together. so if none of the named chairs are personally asked by Imam to call the 10 names, then this is double confirmation. If any of chairs get a letter from Imam then they must question it because
1 By sending a letter the names will be typed by someone and so names have been shared with others!
2 Nagib has submitted proof that signatures are copies not real.

Am I right ?

No, Gray will give the names

No, Gray will give the names to the Imam. That's it. The only purpose of getting the names is for ascertaining the price at which Nagib or Alnaz sold the books. That is something which they already know. So now it is evident to the Jamat that the whole process they are conducting has no other purpose except to harass everyone in the list. The Judge saw that and put severe limitations on even conducting this process.

Sorry my mistake, it is not

Sorry my mistake, it is not Gray that has to give the names to the Imam, I will have to give the names to the Imam

2. The Order of the Prothonotary dated October 29, 2012 is set aside, with the sole exception that the Court orders the Defendants to provide the Plaintiff and his legal counsel with the names of ten (10) purchasers ...

3. The Court further orders, as a condition of making this Order, that information will be given to the Plaintiff His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan and Plaintiff's legal counsel and the Plaintiff shall share this information only with ...

?

All along, it has been maintained that MHI is the plaintiff, (not SS or anyone else) who is legally represented by Grey. So why is it a big surprise the names should only go to MHI, who is the only one listed as the Plaintiff via Gray?

This has already been

This has already been relied, please read the thread.

The Chairs , Hon Secretaries

The Chairs , Hon Secretaries and the CEO's of the Tariquah Boards around the world were in London to meet, network and discuss the needs of the Jamat and best practice. They listened to the same individuals and discussed the same matters as before.

Guess who were controlling , watching, and managing daily , Mohammed Keshavjee, Zauhar Mehgji , and Shiraz Kabani. And, Shafik Sachedina was there and gave his usual talk day one, but then stayed in the background with the inner circle.

Did they discuss , brainstorm, or articulate any of the following needs of the Jamat?

1 Rites ceremonies and Practices to be explained and taught to the Jamat and in Bait Ul Ilm - NO
2 Lawsuit against Nagib and Alnaz or complaints , and the related issues like Mehmani and marginalization and sharing of Farmans - NO
3 Farmans and annotations to be given to the Jamat and all Mukhis - NO
4 sharing reports and having social religious and worldly audits and oversight by the Jamat - NO

What was new in the 3 days. If not, would the time and the sum of over $75000 have been better spent instead on helping Ismailies who are very poor old and vulnerable ?

Letter to ICAB and

Letter to ICAB and Leaders.

To Noordin Nanji (ICAB) and Nazmin Kassam (NCAB UK)
Please add the following and the presentation I copied, as additional evidence in the complaints. http://www.scribd.com/doc/137520124/Agenda-and-Presentation-Sharing-22-A...
Ya Ali Madad. Mahebub

From: Mahebub Chatur [mailto:mahebub.hatur@btconnect.com]
Sent: 23 April 2013 04:00
To: Salima Bhatia (salimabhatia@btopenworld.com); Qahir Manji; Nimet Hijri (Nimet.Hirji@iiuk.org)
Cc: Amin Mawji OBE President UK ( Amawji@uk.ey.com ); Vice President Alwaez Shiraz Kabani (skabani@iis.ac.uk); Farhad Daftary Acting Head Co-Director Institute of Ismaili Studies; gabbas abbas; Bashir Ladha; Mukhi Salim Janmohamed West London UK

Subject: Our Traditions and Practices today - ITREB Chairs meeting in London

Dear Salima, (Chair ITREB UK);

Khatam e Quran & Khairat - London Re New Girls School in Baglan

I was speaking to President when he came. Amongst others matters, he asked If I had discussed the issue of rites practices and traditions with you. I said I had a long discussion and have written and kept you informed and Alwaez G Abbas will also have kept you fully informed regarding EK jamat and related needs and issues including rites practices and ceremonies.

I would again request you to consider and implement the following;

1 You now know Khatam e Quran is a tradition practiced today in Baglan. President and Mukhi Sahib have also seen first hand. There are pictures in the presentation which I have shared.
a. Therefore the information given to you, President and Mukhi was at best incomplete and inaccurate. The root cause of this needs to be considered and addressed. The reasons can be the following;
i. The Scholars/IIS you consulted deliberately mislead you or gave incorrect or conflicting and or confusing information.
ii. The scholars/IIS you consulted did not know , and either googled or were given incomplete information (For example also Niyat. Alwaez Shiraz said he did not know and did not check. When I spoke we talked about Panjo (as you will recall)
iii. You and Scholars do not have full and complete access to all the IIS research information and or all Farmans. If you did you would have been able to verify yourselves.
b. As a result of the above this became a case of the blind leading the blind. You relied on others who were scholars/IIS, but they themselves did not know or check and verify or were not able to. Mukhi sahib relied on you/IIS. (Assuming you were not mislead deliberately – This is possible. Please see my complaints now before ICAB)
c. Please correct me and clarify if I am wrong in my assessment, especially of the root causes/reasons.

2 Therefore do you agree that other information you have and or your understandings and that of Mukhis and the Jamats, of the teaching and practice of our rites practices and many traditions may also be incorrect or incomplete or misleading.
a. You know these are not imparted or taught by IIS and ITREBS and this responsibility was transferred to Parents by Shafik Sachedina (DJI-ITREBS), and M Keshavjee (ITREBS Global).
b. Parents do not understand our rites practices, traditions, constitution and farmans fully, to articulate and let alone to teach.
i. Do you agree that this is an indisputable fact.
ii. For example this Khatam and Niyat (see emails), and other emails including feedback you have from teachers and Parents. ( I reconfirmed the feedback again last week). President Saheb confirmed Parents are told to teach but he does not know enough to teach either. Almost all parents don’t.

3 Also an indisputable Fact - Hazar Imam has said all farmans , rites, traditions and practices must be shared and explained to the Jamats. In fact a few days ago a farman (Central Asia) was read in WL JK .
a. Hazar Imam says to take Farman’s home to read understand and explain to the Jamats and our children.
b. The Jamat listened to this and the children. Including the central Asian Jamat. But they are told they are not allowed to take them home.? (see also 69 reason/farmans I shared)
c. What would you think when you hear these Farmans, and then you tell or are told you cannot take Farmans home to read and that these cannot be explained even by Al waez (who are told in writing, not to explain them to the Jamats - see Letters from ITREB, and also 69 reason/farmans)

4 In ITREB Chairs –EO’s, meeting currently ongoing in London, the above, I hope these critical issues are on the Agenda, including especially

a. Farmans including annotations to be given , explained and shared with the Jamats and all to be available to all Mukhis and ITREBS
b. All rites , ceremonies, practices and traditions imparted taught and explained by IIS and ITREBS and especially in BUI.
i. I refer to the change of mindset proposal which has yet to be addressed and implemented for 10 to 15 year old children). This is for them to be able to articulate with comfort in their daily lives and intercations making them relevant and a part of their lives. Presently as you know , not.
c. All research material at IIS be available to all ITREBS , Mukhis , Al waezeens, and the Scholars – STEP teachers, without limitations, including to interested members of the Jamats
d. Other current traditions and practices to be respected and facilitated by all Mukhis (as was done in this case by you and Mukhi for Khatam e Quran)

I look forward to hearing from you and will be happy to meet you.
Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub

@ Mehbub

YA ALI MADAD:
I want to share a moment in history, heard from my elders, when Pakistan came into being in 1947 Mowlana Sultan Mohammed Shah was also a part of, that time MSMS suggested to the leaders of Pakistan to have ARABIC as its national language, non of them even considered it important advice and they choose URDU as a national language. Well that was history. But the bigger tragedy was Ismailia Association (ITREB today) never ever considered it a necessary or a valuable advice or even a SIGN FROM THE DIVINE, and never taught Arabic in any of the relegious night school or REC ( 66 years have gone by) so we can learn to read the HOLY QURAN, and even today's ITREB is completely blank on this issue, let alone KHATAM-E-QURAN. The question arises if we know how to read the HOLY QURAN, they do not teach that they dont even teach the HOLY DUA , most Ismailies do not even own a Quran in their home, we do not even have a copy in JK either, Never ever our missionaries or al waezen ever explained or even talked about it, how will ITREB learn when their teachers are blank too on this subject. WHO IS TO BLAME. All they can spent and have time for is holding classes for ZUMBA dance in JK facilities and maybe KHATAM-E-ZUMBA will become one of our rituals.

YA ALI MADAD

Please keep messages short.

Please keep messages short. Long messages should be posted in the Forum section. I will start moving the large messages in the ismaili.net left menu Forum under appropriate sections. This will just increase our work load.

Thanks for your understanding.

Umed.

New Intitiavive

A new girls school started in Baglan, where over 95% are Ismailies.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/137520124/Agenda-and-Presentation-Sharing-22-A...
If anyone wnats more information there is an email to contact them.

How wonderful that a few

How wonderful that a few Ismailis have started this school for the Jamat and especially Ismaili Girls. AKDN say they are making over 100 million dollars in the country and the Jamat has the largest telecom company - Roshan. How many schools have they opened in the last 5 years in this region in Ismaili villages?

Accountability

What Mr Khoja with multi interests says as CEO of Roshan Telecom one of the communities 90plus companies
" The entrance of MTN and Etisalat, each among the largest regional operators, was largely motivated by Roshan’s success but immediately impacted Roshan’s market share. “We were the number one, but we got fat and lazy,” Khoja recalls, when the competition entered. “For a while we could have sank or swam. And we have come out of it much stronger. We reengineered the whole company .. ”

Is that why they were not the first to introduce 3G ? And had to take a loan for 3G and have still do not have 3G! We're Khoja and Ladak too busy with multi interests ?

Farmans on accountability.

Farmans on accountability. Imam says the Institutions are there for the Jamat and to serve the Jamat. They are accountable to the Jamat.

"[A]nd for me the most important word is accountability. WE must be accountable AT ALL TIMES to the organisations we serve and to the people we serve."

His Highness the Aga Khan's 1986 CBC interview with Roy Bonisteel (Canada)
http://www.nanowisdoms.org/nwblog/3268/

"Let me close these remarks by asking what may seem to be an impertinent question. How do we know whether these programs are actually working or not? How do we know whether they are improving? It would be very easy to mislead ourselves on this score and to assume that because we are trying hard, or spending significant sums of money, or are inspired by noble intentions, or are holding a lot of meetings -- we must therefore be making an effective impact. But this is not always the case. And that is why it is so important that all of us should be held accountable for the results we produce -- that our work should be measured by its observable, positive impact on the quality of people’s lives."

His Highness the Aga Khan's 2007 address to the Enabling Environment Conference (Kabul, Afghanistan)
http://www.nanowisdoms.org/nwblog/8072/

More here:
Excerpts: His Highness the Aga Khan on accountability
https://www.facebook.com/notes/nanowisdoms-archive/excerpt/3279597505555...

And here:
His Highness the Aga Khan on measuring the performance of development activities
https://www.facebook.com/notes/nanowisdoms-archive-of-imamat-speeches-in...

Imam says Leaders are not

Imam says Leaders are not only accountable to those they serve which is the Jamats, and they must also be transparent, meritocracratic and competent.. " ..Towards better governance. A third caveat that AKDN considers central is that social and economic institutions, including civil society, should be governed by the concepts of transparency, meritocracy and competence. This commitment underpins the Network’s involvement in education.."

I need help

YA ALI MADAD Everyone:

For the last 2 weeks I am having some argument with ITREB and STEP principal on an event that is going to take place this coming Sunday April 28, 2013, The problem I am having is my daughter is in eight grade and the management is holding a MANDATORY class at a venue about 20 miles, in order for student to attend this class, we the parents are FORCED to sign a consent form WAIVING ALL OUR CIVIL RIGHTS AND SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY TO ICAB. (IF you go down I have copied that form in this forum few months ago).

Briefly, they want consent from us that we should hold the Council and every one that is associated with the event HARMLESS even in the case of DEATH of participant due to the negligence ON THEIR PART.
My fight is I am not going to sign this event consent form , and I have had lengthy conversation with ITREB on telephone I gave them the reason for my refusal to sign pointed out all the FLAWS in the consent form. Their decision today this morning April 22, 2013 is they will not allow my daughter to participate in the event UNLESS I sign the consent form which has been prepared by ATTORNEYS.
YA ALI MADAD

@ Pakifellah

Dear Pakifellah , Ya Ali Madad ,
If you can consider my help (as per my thinking ) ,
when one goes to Doctor , for a minor or major operation , his/her probable nearest relative has to sign a consent form , which , probably says , no problem / responsibility of doctor , for any result of this operation , what is the difference here in situations ? ........ya ali madad ...........!

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani

YA ALI MADAD Mansoor bhai. as you live in india. the way of conducting business is way different, i think you did not go far back on this forum archives and read the content of the consent form, well let me tell you after the first incident and my objection things have gone sour. at the ICAB AND NCAB level. instead of improving for the betterment and serving the jamat they have made significant changes for the worst. please MODERATOR PUBLISH this new consent form language has been changed, and the language used.

here is a copy:

RE: Discover 2013
Grades 7,8,9
Sunday April28,2013 9:15 am- 1:45 pm
CONSENT & RELEASE FORM
To be completed by the Parent/Guardian of the participant
I/We, Guardian's Name), in exchange for mylour child being given the opportunity to participate in RE: Discover 2013, hereby give conient and permission foi mylour son/daughter, (Participant's Name) to attend and participate in this conference on the following date Sunday April2g, 2013. The cost of the conference is $5 ier participant.
I/IVe' on behalf of myself/ourselves, the Participant, and mylour heirs, successors, assigns, and any other
persons or entity claiming through or under any of them, agree to RELEASE, INDENftIFy, and HOLD HARMLESS His Highness Prince Aga Khan Shia Imami Ismaili Council for the United States of America (the "Council"), its regional/local councils, boards, portfolios, members, staff, volunteers, and agents, including the organizers, counselors and staff associated with the Activity (coilectively, the ..Indemnitees,,)
from and against any and all losses, claims, damages, causes of action, tiaUiiities, costi and expenses which
may be asserted against the Indemnitees, if any, of every nature whatsoever, known or unknown, which arise out of or are connected with (1) any damages to person or property as a result of the participant,s
participation or any other person's participation in the Activity; (2) anv injury or death, including that arising, in part or whole, from the sole or contributory negligence of tn. i"a"-"it""s, occurring during-or related to the Activity andlor any travel which participation in the Activity may involro"; uid (3)"""y policies, procedures, conduct, or negligent act or omission of the Indemnitees.
VWe hereby consent to any medical or surgical treatment which the Participant may need and which arises in connection with the Event; provided, however, nothing contained herein shall be deemed an obligation to provide any such medical or surgical treatment. I/we understand and accept that the cost of all medical and surgical treatment shall be paid by me/us.
Any controversy or claim arising out of or relating to the Activity or this consent & Release Form shall be settled by binding arbitration administered by the His Highness Prince Aga Khan Shia Imami Ismaili conciliation and Arbitration Board for the United States oi Americ a, and its decision shall be final and binding on all parties. I/WlE HAVE READ AND VOLUNTARY SIGN THIS CONSENT & RELEASE FORM AND INTEND IT TO BE A COMPLETE AND UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE OF ALL LIABILITY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW
.
Name of Parent/Guardian (Please Print) Name of Parent/Guardian @Iease print)
Signature of Parent/Guardian Signature of ParenVGuardian
Date Date
Parent/Guardian Contact Number Parent/Guardian Email Address

I have request ITREB to change the language but they refused saying it cannot be changed since it was written by our attornies. In the end the summary of this CONSENT FORM is ICAB & NCAB WILL BE THE DEFANDENT, JURY, JUDGE AND THE EXECUTIONER all at the same time.

YA ALI MADAD

Please keep messages short.

Please keep messages short. Long messages should be posted in the Forum section. I will start moving the large messages in the ismaili.net left menu Forum under appropriate sections. This will just increase our work load.

Thanks for your understanding.

Umed.

The difference is that if

The difference is that if the doctor is negligent then the patient or his/her family can bring an action under the courts.The form is for being aware of the risks the patient is taking. In this case they are saying you cant even go to the courts, or claim under insurances, or our internal courts NCABS/ICABS. Am I right Pakifellah?

The difference is that if On April 23rd, 2013 bloglaw (not verif

YA ALI MADAD Bloglaw I wanted to respond to our earlier post re: consent form but then the people would think it is too much, well thank you for the post and exactly what you say but my problem is the language and sudden changes of words from the previous, ICAB spent some money and used a lawyer to draft this new one. My first objection was an eye opener for them to rectify for good, but instead, the adrenaline of their EGO kicked in and they drafted a new one EVEN WORSE, which by MHI BLESSINGS to the Jamat, is showing ICAB AND NCAB's and ITREB'S TRUE COLORS. MHI wants us to wake up for good.

Please read the entire FORM, i contacted my attorney and he was laughing (especially to the last paragraph with bold capitalized letter) when I told him this was prepared by attorneys for the institutions. This has happened and is happening and will happen if the right people with real CREDENTIALS AND QUALIFICATIONS are not appointed. This outdated PYRAMID must be broken and demolished to make room to build a new UPDATED one with fresh leaders no connections to the present leaders WHATSOEVER. We have to draw the line somewhere ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I took a stand but parents are signing blindly just because the CONSENT FORM USES MHI NAME and the group of culprits are having a ball in misleading the INNOCENT JAMAT.

THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTIONS IS WHY ARE THE LEADERS DOING WHAT THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, AREN'T THEY GUILTY OF CORRUPTION?? THOSE WHO ARE SLEEPING PLEASE SAY SOMETHING.

YA ALI MADAD

They are and should be fully

They are and should be fully insured. This is a part of their rules regulation and policies.Therefore asking for such a waiver is rediculious. Like saying because you work in our institution as a paid staff we will not insure you for employers or public liability. Because you come to JK and have an accident you cannot calim because our premuims will go up . They have this in their budgets which they must share with you. The JK is insured. The ITREB Classes are insured. The vans they go in are insured. The venue they use are insured. Tell them and ask what Insurances do they have and for copies.

Posting on this web site

Everyone will appreciate if the postings are short and strait to the point. I would even suggest if you have questions to number them and not write more than one sentence per question.

That way the discussion will be focused and people will appreciate that they do not have to go through a maze of long text to find out exactly what is being said and which are the main points.

Instead of having the reader find the main points, the writer should guide and frame the issues.

I hope this makes sense and will be followed by everyone here. Thanks

Umed.

I see many letters are sent

I see many letters are sent to ICAB and Leaders which are posted. Some are long but very important for the Jamat and readers to read and think about. This is also a historical record for future readers and Leaders. Ya Ali madam.

"Long Text"

Ya Ali Madad. Umed, why does the "Long Text" issue come up when Mansooralibhai comments appear on this forum? Why you as "moderator" who should be "fair" and not "bias" bring this issue up when bloglaw(Mahebut Chatur, integrity, etc.) long, long, long, comments appear? Where is the "fairness", or are some participants on this forum exceptionals/friends?????? Some on the forum criticize our Leaders for not being fair, well then they should find out themselves whether they are fair with all the participants on this forum? Thank You.

@ Yasmin - Thanks ................!

My Dear Sister Yasmin - Ya Ali Madad ,

Thanks , at least , for Breaking Long Term Silence , Did you Make Out , and , appreciate , the Daring of Admin - Umed , that , No Discrimination at All - in All, It could be a Comment , in Against or in Favour of Any Body , but , should be , with Some Substance , may be , in favour of SS & Co. or , against Bloglaw , is posted here , and , an Impression , that , it is posted always , against SS & Co. only , and , in Favour of Bloglaw etc .only , is Changed , and , it is a good Signal to All ,

More over , You should not have put Bracket , after Bloglaw in your this post , because , it could lead to understand , that , Bloglaw, and some others are , all from one and same person only ) ,

ya ali madad ...............!

Thanks Admin - Umed ............!

Dear Admin and Umed , Ya Ali Madad ,
Thanks , but , for What ?
You don't know enough , but , by Administering this Web Site , how Deep Heartedly You are Serving Jamats , at International Level , and , the Imam ? ,..i pray , from Deep of My Heart , that , You All , not to be Rewarded in Next World only , but , in This World also , Ameen , ......................it's again 3/25 am ,..............am i at liberty to stop here ? , thank you , .....ya ali madad ......!

I would like to think we are

I would like to think we are all friends and spiritual brothers and sisters. All those who are contributing are writing a new chapter in our history. This is not only a discussion forum but a change for the better forum. Where else can you get information you get here like constitution, ICAB NCAB etc etc...

Not at all. This message was

Not at all. This message was trigger because lately several people are posting long messages and it was a comment that applies to everyone equally. If it was for a particular post or person, I would have mentioned it as I have done in the past.

Why are there Ismaili

Why are there Ismaili beggers in Dar eS Salaam when Ismailies have so many ismaili institutions. Does not charity begin at home ? The Aga Khan says these institutions are for the benefit of his community and the poor and vulnerable Ismailies are a top priority ! " DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA – The Diamond Trust Bank (T) Ltd has raised a pre-tax profit by 18%, to Tsh12.1bn ($7.45m) in 2012 from Tsh10.2bn ($6.29m) last year. "snip" DTB is an affiliate of the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development, part of AKDN which is an Ismaili constitutional company for the governance and benefit of Ismailies !

Purpose behind Posting Here Only Complaints or Solutions also ?

... My Common Reply to Dear Pakifellah , Bloglaw and Umed , and All Concerned , Ya Ali Madad ,
( 1 ) This is the Only and Best Site Ever , in the History of Ismailis , at the World Level , Admistered by Admin - Umed , to Write for Ismailis , Their Views and Convey it to Concerned , in the Interest of Jamats , at International Level , and , also put , Any Jamati Complaints ( Problems ) , with Opportunities - Facilities , to Find Out Ways for Solutions of Jamati Problems , by , Making Mutual - Consultations , with Other Ismailis of the World , from Any Where , at Any Time , along with Leaders at Local , as well as , at International Level , ......How Many , Said to be Interested , to Serve Jamats and Imam , in Appreciations of Continuous Hard Works , by Such Site , for the Speedy Well Being of Jamats and to Please Imam , and it's Organisers , but , How Makes Real Use of Such Facilities ? , and , Gives / Takes , Chance of Creating , an Impact of Necessary Reformations , at International Level , in Positive Manners in Our Community ? ,
( 2 ) First of all , i accept my inability , that , i can not convince those , who do not want to understand that , 2 + 2 = 4 , and , i am sorry for , that , it is fault on my side , that , i can not , in any way , make them understand the same , till , they are not ready to Understand this Natural Fact ,
( 3 ) now , i come to the main point/s , of my submission/s
( 4 ) Originally , i was / am always of the view - Opinion , that , Jamats Every Where , Any Where , should be Served , through our Institutional Process , either by Leaders & Members , and / or , through Proffessionals - Workers , appointed Directly or Indirrectly , by MHI , or , be Served , by Other Members of the Community , who want to Serve the Jamats , at any level , in a way , that , MHI is pleased ,
( 5 ) Now , if i wanted to serve jamats , then , i alone can hardly do much more , and , i can do for a few people only , and , on a small scale only , but , if i wanted to do works , on a larger scale , for jamats , then , i need to Contact - Consult , Other Community Members , with the Same Intentions , and , need to create a Group of Ismailis , in the pre - fixed area , and , Join Hands , with a Proper Planning , with a Target of List of Time Framed Works , Year Wise , inviting Membership of Community People , who want to work for jamats , whether , they were or are , on any post or not ,
( 6 ) In past such things , were difficult to be done , in absence of speedy communication systems - facilities , when there were no telephones available every where , with every body , ....there were only post cards , to reach after number of days / weeks ,
( 7 ) It was in 1957 , that , i first time saw the Light in my Village / Town Dholka , we were all having Small Kerosene - Lamps only , either in our houses , or , in streets , ..........in the same year , i saw a Transistor small Radio , on visit of my one maternal uncle at our house - shri Habib Velsi Keshavjee - from Nairobi , the Father of Well Known , Ex President of National Council - Kenya , Mr . Yusuf Habib Keshavjee , and , Uncle of , Well Known IIS Administrator , Mr . Mohemed Keshavjee ,
( 8 ) we had hardly travelling up to Ahmedabad , 40 km away , till i became young of 21,
.....i first visited a big city of Mumbai in 1973 only , for Didar - Darbar , at Hashanabad , at the age of 25 ,
( 9 ) but , mean while , Due to Availibility of Latest Technology - Systems , Throught Out World , that , from Kerosene Lamps , People of the World , had Reached to be having , Latest Computers , with Internet , within a Few Years only , and ......i also had became Aware of Revolutionary Situations - at Community and Rest of the World Level , and , i found , that , where we could hardly do Works in Community , at District Level , ......now , it has become possible , to do works , at International Level , .....and , during , Such Thinking , i came to know about this Site , on 30 / 04 / 2010 only , through my one ismaili friend ,
( 9 ) I started to read and study , the comments of Past and Present , .......i thought , from the Submissions in Comments , that , there is done Much Injustice/s , with Jamat/s , by Leaders , at local , as well as , International Level , ....so.....i started to write My Own Views in Comments ,
( 10 ) I was working in /with jamats , from Local to possibly at India Level , but , in fact , i wanted , since Long Past , that , if i could do Works , on - at International Level , and , i thought , that , my that Dream could now Come True , through Contacts on this Site , and , further to see .....that , an International Ismaili Organisation comes into Existence , and , All Interested Ismailis to Serve Jamats and Imam , at any level , join hands , and , creates an Impact , at International Leaders and Jamats , that , it could submit the Jamati Problems , to Leaders at Intrnational Level , and , have Discussions on Major Issues of Jamats , at International Level , and , try to Find Out Proper Possible Solutions , through , Co - Operation System , with Leaders in International Institutions like , LIF , IIS and DJI etc ,
( 11 ) I found , that , writers here , on this Site are mostly writing Their Comments - Views , with Nick Names , and , Not with Real Names , ......i did not know the Reasons behind , for not Clearing Self Real Identity , but , i had started to write in My Real Name - Real Identity , .....i had put my address , as well as , E Mail ID , on this Site , more than once , and , ....... afterwards , i insisted others also , to come with Real Identity , but , some of Main Writer/s here replied , that , if they wrote their Real Identity , then , he/she will be Marginalised by SS and Co. , .........i could not digest , such aguments , ....if one writes with Real Identity and with Real Facts , then , where is the Question of Marginalisation arise ? , and Why ? , ......if one who is on any post , then , suppose , for sake of arguments , it could said to be marginalised , but , who is not on any post has no such fierce ! , .....if One wanted to Work for Jamats , then , he / she should not Worry for Post , and , ...........Posts should not be written to Achieve Some Particular Post , but to serve without Post .....it has got More Importance , in the Eyes of Jamats and Imam , who Works without Post , ......and , so , i repeatedly had Insisted Others here , to come with Real Identity , if we really wanted to Work for Jamats , at any level ,.....but , no body , who wanted to make allegations only , without real identity , then , came up , with Real Identity , or , with E Mail Id , so that , could be contacted personally for further consultations , ......and , if so , what is the Use and Meaning of Such Submissions ? , only to Blame Certain - Particular Leaders only ? , and , not to Accept Responsibility for , and , just to try to Archive Hidden Personal Selfish Goals only , by Pouring Poison in the Minds of Jamats , for Certain - Particular Leaders only ? , .....and , on my Repeated Insisting , when i found , No Response , to come out with Real Identity , i came to Understand , that , Intention/s behind writing Some Particular Post/s , by , Some Particular Writer/s , is/ are Different , .....Different than that which i am thinking , so , i Changed my style of writing , by , challenging the Intention/s of Such Writer/s here , who are Never Prepared to come with Real Identity , and , showing excuses only , in the Name of Internet System , means , Their Purpose is not to Serve the Jamats , but , to Pour Poisons only , in the Minds of Jamats , against Certain - Particular Leaders , at International Level , by Mis - Bad - Using this - such Site , .......this Site is Best , and , for the Best Use , in the Interest/s of Jamat/s , at International Level , but , Out of Knowledge of Admin - Umed , and Participants , it is used for Worst Purposes , by Some writers ,
(12 ) No Doubt , there were and are , to write their views , with Real Identity , like , Yasmin , Kanize , Murad , Abdullah , Nato Moez , M. Chatur , Umed , Alibhai Jiwani , Alnaz , Nagib , ( sorry , if i forgot to mention , who at least came with their Real Identity ) , with their Real Identity , but , most of them , found , that , there is Nothing , except Making , Allegations ( may be Right or Wrong - but for what Purpose ?) , only against Certain Particular Leaders , and , not suggesting Real Required Way of Solutions ? ,
(13) If , an Ismaili Writer is Not Interested - Prepared to Do Forward Any Thing to Find Out Solutions of Jamati Problems , with Co Operation - Consultations - with - amongst - Jamats - Leaders , then , what is Use and Purpose of Such Submissions only ? ,
(14) if an Ismaili wanted to do Complaints , and Complaints and Complaints only , .....then ......No Real Identity is Required
but , if One wanted to Bring Solutions , and , Work for Jamats , through Co - Operation - Consultations , with Jamats - Leaders , at Any Level , then , Real Identity , on Such Site , is Must , Must and Must ,
(15) ........ can any body , please , satisfy me on this issue ?.......thank you .........ya ali madad.........!

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani

ya ali madad

We have been reading long long post from you, sometimes it make sense and sometimes it goes over our head, for the last few weeks you have created unnecessary debate about real identity. Infact, from your post I personally get the feeling that you are on a mission to find out who we are, because nobody in this forum pushes and pressurize this issue of identity. can u please clarify???

Now what do you mean when you write
"( 2 ) First of all , i accept my inability , that , i can not convince those , who do not want to understand that , 2 + 2 = 4 , and , i am sorry for , that , it is fault on my side , that , i can not , in any way , make them understand the same , till , they are not ready to Understand this Natural Fact ,"

do you think we are DUMB and you are the wisest the problem with you is you do not get to understand what 2+2= is ,if you do then you should not have wasted time writing this long post, instead you could have worked on some real issues.

the you write;
"..but , no body , who wanted to make allegations only , without real identity , then , came up , with Real Identity , or , with E Mail Id , so that , could be contacted personally for further consultations , ......and , if so , what is the Use and Meaning of Such Submissions ? , only to Blame Certain - Particular Leaders only ? , and , not to Accept Responsibility for , and , just to try to Archive Hidden Personal Selfish Goals only , "

I think you are hiding your real intentions infact, you are are working as an agent of SS nd co. and trying to help them find real identity of the writers, JUST LIKE WHEN MHI SAID WHOEVER HAVE PURCHASED NAGIB'S BOOK SHOULD KEEP IT PERIOD, BUT, SS AND CO IS PUSHING FOR IDENTITY OF THOSE WHO BOUGHT THE BOOK THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM. some how I smell the same odor in your post.

You have named a lot of people with their real names, besides few, most of them in their post only agree or disagree with the writer and nothing more and some think they are so spiritually elevated and commit SHRIK in their writing that they think they are living in the time when hindus were being converted to Ismailism USING the IMAM OF THE TIME into a BHAGWAN.

DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON THIS PLEASE, BECAUSE THE MODERATOR DOES NOT PUBLISH SOME OF MY REBUTTAL, LEAVING THE WHOLE ISSUE BEING DISCUSSED, TIP ON ONE SIDE. So my request to you is since you have accepted you are living in the world with light bulb and fast communication stop writing long post regarding identity stop being OO7.

AND LASTLY, you write
" 15) ........ can any body , please , satisfy me on this issue ?.......thank you .........ya ali madad.........!

I tried to satisfy you in my last post, AND I can only do so much, but, sorry to say you did not get it, but if you need real and 100% satisfaction there is nothing I or any one else can do SORRY, but if you still insist on satisfaction I would suggest

YA ALI MADAD

@ Pakifellah , How is it Possible in Absence of Identity...?!

Dear Pakifellah , Ya Ali Madad ,
In short at the moment , This is not for the first time recently only , that , i have Raised the Issue of Real Identity , and , with the Purpoose of also , You can go through in Past Comments also , probably , since before your birth on this Site ,
Here We are all on a Social Platform , Discussing on Certain Issue/s , considering to be Useful to Our Society , and , for that , i try to make you understand , that , why Identity is Necessary ? , suppose , there is a Social Function for the Program to be Organised in Future , in the Interest of Society , for which to Raise Funds , a Drop Box is put , there is an Appeal to Contribute to Members , and everybody tries to contribute in there own ways , some put in cash , some are putting by writing in cheat/s , that , from XYZ (suppose he is mansoor noorani but write as xyz only ) , 10000 dollars or rupees , and , some put notes which are fakes , and , suppose you are the Organiser of Function - Program , then , after opening the drop box , on finding those chits and/or fake notes , whom will you contact and how to realise the same , in absence of any real identity ? , i am keen to see that here , on this Site , every body from community , to come with contribution/s , in any form , to our community , leaders and our beloved Imam's aims for community , on any scale , any time , any where , i hpoe , you will try to understand , my intention behind ! ,
ya ali madad ,

The discussion on identity

The discussion on identity is closed there will not be any other messages on this subject. Thanks

Umed.

This forum is for sharing

This forum is for sharing information ideas solutions issues needs and thoughts arising and resulting from the lawsuit. The content is more important. Some use their own names. Many read and share. Many use the information here to share with others they know or Leaders in their own names like you. The solution is sharing Farmans knowledge, and working together to help each other materially and spiritutally. MSMS and Hazar Imam remind us in Farmans. I read and share what is said.

Change takes time and needs many material & personal sacrifices. Historically be a few for the many. This was started by Nagib. Look at how many more today. Hazar Imam talks of a one man army !

What is the situation of your court cases in India ?

Purpose behind Posting Here Only Complaints or Solutions also ?

Both Mansooralibhai and Pakifellah,

Thru you Moderator,

Can we please move away from this unending series of TRIVIA?

Except for personal acquantances, most of us have no clue as to who either of you are...... and we really do not even need to know....................You might as well be Laurell and Hardy, or Ram and Shyam, or Sita and Gita......

Please let us also stop preaching what anybody needs to do.........I am sure that all of us are active enough to have stood up for our beliefs, only to be (perhaps) pushedaside even by family and friends. (Don't forget Alnaz-Mehboob encounter, which onlyled to further legality and shamefull public display of murids)

Some of us may not have the tenacity that stands up to your scale.................(We don't quite know the reason as yet, but remember how a wedding was cancelled in a JK in Bombay? If that wasn't marginalizing, then there has to be a bona fide reason for it)

Most of us have to deal with our fellow community members on a day to day basis.................. Please come up with some concrete suggestions and stop bickering about semantics......

Thank you, and my humble apologies for any hurt feelings...........................

On April 19th, 2013 kachoomber (not verified) says:

Kachomber Bhai and ALL YA ALI MADAD:

I thank you for your post, and am glad to see people waking up, I would very much appreciate if other like you should do the same, When one person is pushing some agenda like IDENTITY for example in post that are longer than a football field not once not twice but repeatedly and only one person is trying to put some sense in that particular person not to push it and rest of the people in this forum SLEEPS , ISN'T THIS A TRAGEDY, how can we acheive any success with a dormant audience, not just in any one particular issue but many issues that are sitting on the table. Umed is doing a good job he made clarification about that issue and put it to rest on april 17th then again he publishes a 10,000 words post from that very person on the same subject and still everyone is fast asleep. I am very sorry to say why is there this prejudice among US ALL.

I am glad you stepped up and no feelings were hurt and I wish you all the best, but still we have to wake up we cannot be all sleeping and expect a miracle to happen, MIRACLE HAPPENS THROUGH US BY THE WILL OF ALLAH at the right place and on the right time, if we all are dormant miracle will wait to happen until we wake up on our own, by that time valueable time would have been lost.

YA ALI MADAD

Mr Brian Gray lied in court?

Mr Gray lied in court.? Mr Gray was asked in court whether he knew Mr Dharamsey. He said he did not know him. The email he sent to Dharamsey was produced in Court. (see what Nagib Tajdin says below)

WHY IS THIS VERY SIGNIFICANT ?

His Highness the Aga Khan, is the named plaintiff but has not submitted a single affidavit in this lawsuit. The court has relied on the claims and statements filed by Brian Gray in the name of H.H.

If Gray lies in court regarding this, then all other statements made by him are also questionable, and need to be independently verified, for example;

1 The claim Gray [from Norton Rose] filed on 6th April 2010 (No affidavit by H.H.)
2 All replies and evidence Gray has filed (No affidavit by H.H.)
3 Documents filed which 3 forensic expert reports say are forgeries (No affidavit filed by H H)

Therefore there is a question that Gray is not telling the court what in fact His Highness may have told him to tell the court. Has therefore Gray told the truth and the whole truth to the court.

We know Sachedina, Bhaloo and Manji are not doing what His Highness is telling them to do in Farmans nor what they were directed to do by His Highness on 15th October 2010.

WHY DID GRAY NEED TO LIE THAT HE DOES NOT KNOW A J DHARAMSEY ?

What is Gray trying to hide. Why is Gray worried ? Is this because he said to Dharamsey that he can ask Sachedina, and he thanked Dharamsey for his support ? Therefore Gray accepts instructions from Sachedina and Gray supports what Sachedina says?

CAN THIS BE USED TO FILE A MOTION FOR PROOF

A Motion to question Mr Gray and ask for disclosure of all the evidence to verify and prove that all the statements submitted & filed by Gray on behalf of the named plaintiff. are exactly what His Highness the Aga Khan said to him personally and when/how. Including when and who gave him the first instructions, and was this on 30 March 2010 as stated by Shafik Sachedina.

Remembering Shafik Sachedina and A Bhaloo have said they were not asked by His Highness to file an affidavit but they swore them, and Gray filed them, and says to Dharamsey who he says he does not know, that he can take instructions from Shafik Sachedina !

The question is also why is Gray opposing the motion and refusing the money offered by Nagib and Alnaz ? (read what Alnaz says below)

Gray, Sachedina, Bhaloo and Manji need to provide following evidence ;

1 When was Gray first instructed and by whom ?
2 Was Gray first instructed on or after 30 March 2010 as stated by Shafik Sachedina.
3 If His Highness did not ask Sachedina and Bhaloo to file an affidavit who asked them to file an affidavit?
4 Had Gray met or spoken to His Highness and Carnegie before he filed the lawsuit on 6th April 2010.
5 Who provided evidence to Gray and if it was Shafik Sachedina, then did Sachedina ask His Highness for permission to do so. He admits he was not asked by H.H. to file an affidavit.

Dharamsey defending Gray ?

Actually, I would not have been surprised if Brian Gray would have said he does not know that Dharamsey but he went further, he said I don't even know if Dharamsey exists!

Now this is a problem for him, we know he is often in CC: in Dharamsey's letters, Gray has emailed to Dharamsey that he can talk to him if Sachedina allows him and we know from Dharamsey himself that he is talking to Gray.

So for Gray to tell the Court as officer of the Court that he did not even know IF Dharamsey exists is very surprising.

There is an email circulated by Dharamsey to do some damage control on this issue, this just shows how close he considers himself to Gray.

So has Dharamsey become lawyer of a lawyer or is he mistaken in thinking that Brian Gray of Norton Rose, one of the largest Law firm in Canada can not defend himself without his support? LOL ;-)

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