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... My Common Reply to Dear Pakifellah , Bloglaw and Umed , and All Concerned , Ya Ali Madad ,
( 1 ) This is the Only and Best Site Ever , in the History of Ismailis , at the World Level , Admistered by Admin - Umed , to Write for Ismailis , Their Views and Convey it to Concerned , in the Interest of Jamats , at International Level , and , also put , Any Jamati Complaints ( Problems ) , with Opportunities - Facilities , to Find Out Ways for Solutions of Jamati Problems , by , Making Mutual - Consultations , with Other Ismailis of the World , from Any Where , at Any Time , along with Leaders at Local , as well as , at International Level , ......How Many , Said to be Interested , to Serve Jamats and Imam , in Appreciations of Continuous Hard Works , by Such Site , for the Speedy Well Being of Jamats and to Please Imam , and it's Organisers , but , How Makes Real Use of Such Facilities ? , and , Gives / Takes , Chance of Creating , an Impact of Necessary Reformations , at International Level , in Positive Manners in Our Community ? ,
( 2 ) First of all , i accept my inability , that , i can not convince those , who do not want to understand that , 2 + 2 = 4 , and , i am sorry for , that , it is fault on my side , that , i can not , in any way , make them understand the same , till , they are not ready to Understand this Natural Fact ,
( 3 ) now , i come to the main point/s , of my submission/s
( 4 ) Originally , i was / am always of the view - Opinion , that , Jamats Every Where , Any Where , should be Served , through our Institutional Process , either by Leaders & Members , and / or , through Proffessionals - Workers , appointed Directly or Indirrectly , by MHI , or , be Served , by Other Members of the Community , who want to Serve the Jamats , at any level , in a way , that , MHI is pleased ,
( 5 ) Now , if i wanted to serve jamats , then , i alone can hardly do much more , and , i can do for a few people only , and , on a small scale only , but , if i wanted to do works , on a larger scale , for jamats , then , i need to Contact - Consult , Other Community Members , with the Same Intentions , and , need to create a Group of Ismailis , in the pre - fixed area , and , Join Hands , with a Proper Planning , with a Target of List of Time Framed Works , Year Wise , inviting Membership of Community People , who want to work for jamats , whether , they were or are , on any post or not ,
( 6 ) In past such things , were difficult to be done , in absence of speedy communication systems - facilities , when there were no telephones available every where , with every body , ....there were only post cards , to reach after number of days / weeks ,
( 7 ) It was in 1957 , that , i first time saw the Light in my Village / Town Dholka , we were all having Small Kerosene - Lamps only , either in our houses , or , in streets , ..........in the same year , i saw a Transistor small Radio , on visit of my one maternal uncle at our house - shri Habib Velsi Keshavjee - from Nairobi , the Father of Well Known , Ex President of National Council - Kenya , Mr . Yusuf Habib Keshavjee , and , Uncle of , Well Known IIS Administrator , Mr . Mohemed Keshavjee ,
( 8 ) we had hardly travelling up to Ahmedabad , 40 km away , till i became young of 21,
.....i first visited a big city of Mumbai in 1973 only , for Didar - Darbar , at Hashanabad , at the age of 25 ,
( 9 ) but , mean while , Due to Availibility of Latest Technology - Systems , Throught Out World , that , from Kerosene Lamps , People of the World , had Reached to be having , Latest Computers , with Internet , within a Few Years only , and ......i also had became Aware of Revolutionary Situations - at Community and Rest of the World Level , and , i found , that , where we could hardly do Works in Community , at District Level , ......now , it has become possible , to do works , at International Level , .....and , during , Such Thinking , i came to know about this Site , on 30 / 04 / 2010 only , through my one ismaili friend ,
( 9 ) I started to read and study , the comments of Past and Present , .......i thought , from the Submissions in Comments , that , there is done Much Injustice/s , with Jamat/s , by Leaders , at local , as well as , International Level , ....so.....i started to write My Own Views in Comments ,
( 10 ) I was working in /with jamats , from Local to possibly at India Level , but , in fact , i wanted , since Long Past , that , if i could do Works , on - at International Level , and , i thought , that , my that Dream could now Come True , through Contacts on this Site , and , further to see .....that , an International Ismaili Organisation comes into Existence , and , All Interested Ismailis to Serve Jamats and Imam , at any level , join hands , and , creates an Impact , at International Leaders and Jamats , that , it could submit the Jamati Problems , to Leaders at Intrnational Level , and , have Discussions on Major Issues of Jamats , at International Level , and , try to Find Out Proper Possible Solutions , through , Co - Operation System , with Leaders in International Institutions like , LIF , IIS and DJI etc ,
( 11 ) I found , that , writers here , on this Site are mostly writing Their Comments - Views , with Nick Names , and , Not with Real Names , ......i did not know the Reasons behind , for not Clearing Self Real Identity , but , i had started to write in My Real Name - Real Identity , .....i had put my address , as well as , E Mail ID , on this Site , more than once , and , ....... afterwards , i insisted others also , to come with Real Identity , but , some of Main Writer/s here replied , that , if they wrote their Real Identity , then , he/she will be Marginalised by SS and Co. , .........i could not digest , such aguments , ....if one writes with Real Identity and with Real Facts , then , where is the Question of Marginalisation arise ? , and Why ? , ......if one who is on any post , then , suppose , for sake of arguments , it could said to be marginalised , but , who is not on any post has no such fierce ! , .....if One wanted to Work for Jamats , then , he / she should not Worry for Post , and , ...........Posts should not be written to Achieve Some Particular Post , but to serve without Post .....it has got More Importance , in the Eyes of Jamats and Imam , who Works without Post , ......and , so , i repeatedly had Insisted Others here , to come with Real Identity , if we really wanted to Work for Jamats , at any level ,.....but , no body , who wanted to make allegations only , without real identity , then , came up , with Real Identity , or , with E Mail Id , so that , could be contacted personally for further consultations , ......and , if so , what is the Use and Meaning of Such Submissions ? , only to Blame Certain - Particular Leaders only ? , and , not to Accept Responsibility for , and , just to try to Archive Hidden Personal Selfish Goals only , by Pouring Poison in the Minds of Jamats , for Certain - Particular Leaders only ? , .....and , on my Repeated Insisting , when i found , No Response , to come out with Real Identity , i came to Understand , that , Intention/s behind writing Some Particular Post/s , by , Some Particular Writer/s , is/ are Different , .....Different than that which i am thinking , so , i Changed my style of writing , by , challenging the Intention/s of Such Writer/s here , who are Never Prepared to come with Real Identity , and , showing excuses only , in the Name of Internet System , means , Their Purpose is not to Serve the Jamats , but , to Pour Poisons only , in the Minds of Jamats , against Certain - Particular Leaders , at International Level , by Mis - Bad - Using this - such Site , .......this Site is Best , and , for the Best Use , in the Interest/s of Jamat/s , at International Level , but , Out of Knowledge of Admin - Umed , and Participants , it is used for Worst Purposes , by Some writers ,
(12 ) No Doubt , there were and are , to write their views , with Real Identity , like , Yasmin , Kanize , Murad , Abdullah , Nato Moez , M. Chatur , Umed , Alibhai Jiwani , Alnaz , Nagib , ( sorry , if i forgot to mention , who at least came with their Real Identity ) , with their Real Identity , but , most of them , found , that , there is Nothing , except Making , Allegations ( may be Right or Wrong - but for what Purpose ?) , only against Certain Particular Leaders , and , not suggesting Real Required Way of Solutions ? ,
(13) If , an Ismaili Writer is Not Interested - Prepared to Do Forward Any Thing to Find Out Solutions of Jamati Problems , with Co Operation - Consultations - with - amongst - Jamats - Leaders , then , what is Use and Purpose of Such Submissions only ? ,
(14) if an Ismaili wanted to do Complaints , and Complaints and Complaints only , .....then ......No Real Identity is Required
but , if One wanted to Bring Solutions , and , Work for Jamats , through Co - Operation - Consultations , with Jamats - Leaders , at Any Level , then , Real Identity , on Such Site , is Must , Must and Must ,
(15) ........ can any body , please , satisfy me on this issue ?.......thank you .........ya ali madad.........!

Mr Gray lied in court.? Mr Gray was asked in court whether he knew Mr Dharamsey. He said he did not know him. The email he sent to Dharamsey was produced in Court. (see what Nagib Tajdin says below)

WHY IS THIS VERY SIGNIFICANT ?

His Highness the Aga Khan, is the named plaintiff but has not submitted a single affidavit in this lawsuit. The court has relied on the claims and statements filed by Brian Gray in the name of H.H.

If Gray lies in court regarding this, then all other statements made by him are also questionable, and need to be independently verified, for example;

1 The claim Gray [from Norton Rose] filed on 6th April 2010 (No affidavit by H.H.)
2 All replies and evidence Gray has filed (No affidavit by H.H.)
3 Documents filed which 3 forensic expert reports say are forgeries (No affidavit filed by H H)

Therefore there is a question that Gray is not telling the court what in fact His Highness may have told him to tell the court. Has therefore Gray told the truth and the whole truth to the court.

We know Sachedina, Bhaloo and Manji are not doing what His Highness is telling them to do in Farmans nor what they were directed to do by His Highness on 15th October 2010.

WHY DID GRAY NEED TO LIE THAT HE DOES NOT KNOW A J DHARAMSEY ?

What is Gray trying to hide. Why is Gray worried ? Is this because he said to Dharamsey that he can ask Sachedina, and he thanked Dharamsey for his support ? Therefore Gray accepts instructions from Sachedina and Gray supports what Sachedina says?

CAN THIS BE USED TO FILE A MOTION FOR PROOF

A Motion to question Mr Gray and ask for disclosure of all the evidence to verify and prove that all the statements submitted & filed by Gray on behalf of the named plaintiff. are exactly what His Highness the Aga Khan said to him personally and when/how. Including when and who gave him the first instructions, and was this on 30 March 2010 as stated by Shafik Sachedina.

Remembering Shafik Sachedina and A Bhaloo have said they were not asked by His Highness to file an affidavit but they swore them, and Gray filed them, and says to Dharamsey who he says he does not know, that he can take instructions from Shafik Sachedina !

The question is also why is Gray opposing the motion and refusing the money offered by Nagib and Alnaz ? (read what Alnaz says below)

Gray, Sachedina, Bhaloo and Manji need to provide following evidence ;

1 When was Gray first instructed and by whom ?
2 Was Gray first instructed on or after 30 March 2010 as stated by Shafik Sachedina.
3 If His Highness did not ask Sachedina and Bhaloo to file an affidavit who asked them to file an affidavit?
4 Had Gray met or spoken to His Highness and Carnegie before he filed the lawsuit on 6th April 2010.
5 Who provided evidence to Gray and if it was Shafik Sachedina, then did Sachedina ask His Highness for permission to do so. He admits he was not asked by H.H. to file an affidavit.

Dear Bloglaw , Ya Ali Madad ,
......my comment on your reply to me dated 15 /04 /2013 ,
.......you are trying to divert the mind/s to other issues , from main point - of real identity ,
.......with due respect to you , who ever you are , ....i have not any problem - no objection to any body , in raising any issue/s , any time , here , on this Site , in the interest/s of jamat/s , as , this is the Best Place ever , for raising - submitting , any such issue/s , to be conveyed to concerned/s , ....being allowed , after a Deep Consideration/s by Dear Admin and Dear Umed , in the Interest of Jamat Worldwide , ......which this site could be used , positively also , in doing some - so many extra - ordinary constructive works , for jamats , as , .....sky has no limit/s ,
........i don't mind in blaming any one - any leader/s , any where - including SS and Co. , by any body , but , till one do not come with Real Identity , no body can have ' Trust ' in the words put here by him / her , ......on the contrary , it could create doubt/s , in the minds of jamat/s - jamati individual/s , about the itension/s of writer/s , that , why he/she hides his /her identity , if he/she is right ?

.....if one has to blame other/s - really in the interest/s of jamat/s , then , he /she should come with real identity , so that , it could be effective , but , by writing any thing against any body , and , hiding real identity , could effect adversely also , about intention/s of writer/s , .........i respect your submission/s here , but , it does not appropriate with principles of natural justice ,

.........while , i started here writing comments , i was under an impression , that , all those writing here are having their respectve names , and , as and when required , they will all come forward , with their full real identity , but , since , my repeted requests , and , i think some others have also requested , ( i think Yasmin - Canada , if i am not wrong , she said indirectly and i am saying directly , she had also shown her doubt on different bloglaws - from different places - at the same time , ....Yasmin , can i hope to be cleared from you , sorry , if i disturbed your silence ) , to come up with real identity , which could decrease the distance , and , increase co - operation , betwwen participant/s , in doing some good necessary works - in creation of some good necessary back ground , but , nothing could be done , nothing could happen , only because of ' hidden identity ',

..........so kindly help me , in understanding your usefullness , in any way , to jamats - at any level ,
.......except , ........to come to a conclusion , that , .......may be , one and only one person is after writing , so many blaming comments , since years , in ' different unidentified names ' , just to establish and create an atmosphere - in the minds of jamat/s , jamati individual/s , that , these are the views of different so many jamati individuals ,
.......but , in fact , it could be the views of only ' one person ' - who is also ' unidentifiable ' ,.........i hope you throw better light on , .......shall i stop here being 3/30 am , ......thank you ......ya ali madad .........!

Court Docket says Gray will have to send names by the end of this week. Defendant's lawyer will have to send a draft order by the end of this week.." What happened at the hearing ?

Sent: 14 April 2013 17:17
To: 'Noordin Nanji'
Cc: 'Azim Lakhani'; 'Mohammed Keshavjee'; 'Abby Jan Dharamsey'; 'Shafik SACHEDINA'; 'Nazmin Kassam'; Amin Mawji OBE President UK ; Vice President Alwaez Shiraz Kabani; Mukhi Salim Janmohamed West London UK; Nagib Tajdin; Alnaz Jiwa; Gafoor; Mansoor Noorani; Eqbal Rupanii CEO LIF; Shams vellani; sadru.datoo; Zina Khan

Subject: Appeal to ICAB: Chatur v Sachedina, Dharamsey, Lakhani and Keshavjee

Thank you for your attached letter dated 11 April 2013 and a part of the requisite information. My response and request for further and better particulars. You have not responded to all my requests and completely or openly/transparently.
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1 Constitution - Changes to the mandate and Authority to “ICAB and NCAB system under clauses 12, 13 and 14”;

a. Besides the “system under clause 12, 13, and 14” – were there any other changes – If so please provide copies. I requested all not a limited or selective parts of the constitution.
b. I note there are no other changes except increase in number or ICAB Members
c. Since a Farman supersedes the constitution and prevails.
i. Can you provide copies of the Farmans you – NCAB consider which will prevails over the constitution

2 Rules and regulation ICAB.

a. I note that the ICAB rules were ordained on 13 Dec 2003.
b. Please confirm there were no ICAB rules and regulations for 15 years, between 1986 to 13 Dec 2003. If there were please provide copies.
c. You state Hazar Imam enjoys full authority. This is not disputed. In this context;
i. Do you agree that Hazar Imam exercises authority in Farmans as defined “inclusively” in the constitution ( Farmans therefore includes Talika, Irshad, constitution, mehmani, speeches, pronouncements, writings etc, which are both written and verbal). These are all and form and part of our constitution, as Farmans. If not let me know which are excluded.

3 Authority of ICAB

a. You are confirming that ICAB has authority under 3.2(d) . This is where ICAB can and have made changes without any reference to Hazar Imam. Please confirm.
b. ICAB can therefore make and effectively enact rules and regulations.
i. Can you provide copies of all these rules with the related Board resolutions, rules and minutes since 1986 identifying those which are
1. Approved and ordained by Hazar Imam
2. without any reference to Hazar Imam.

4 Rules for disciplinary action

a. I note there have been no changes since 1999.
i. Can you please provide copies of all changes before 1999.
ii. Can you please provide the exact date in 1999.
iii. At ICABS request in April 2010 there was confirmation. Remembering the Lawsuit and allegations of Forgeries and the misleading and false LIF announcement in Jan and April 2010;
1. Can you provide the exact date in April 2010 when ICAB decided on this request and confirmations. Why was this in April 2010 ? and who initiated ? and the circumstances around putting this on the ICAB Agenda in April 2010. Why was this considered and were all the NCAB rules and regulations just confirmed or reviewed by ICAB in detail and formally. Was there urgency and if so why?
a. Was this at the request discussed with and or initiated by DJI and or S Sachedina. Can you please provide a copy of the minutes./resolution

5 Special Leave

a. I note ICAB will proceed on basis that NCAB have not invoked section 3.2.

6 Information regarding other complaints

a. You are saying you cannot provide information to me because I am not a party
i. Can you confirm you are acting as a Judicial body and not as between two consenting parties. Therefore as a Judicial Body you must provide copies as a judicial Body which is equivalent to the Courts of the Laws of the land. Therefore all parties are entitles to court information and documents
ii. Also you have permission from the party complaining and to use their evidence in my case. If you have permission can you provide copies to me; or what more do you need from them for copies to be supplied to me ?

7 Requests to you to intervene on specific matters (including evidence of forgeries submitted to you);

a. You say ICAB has no authority to investigate or supervise overall functioning of Jamati institutions.
i. I have requested you as a Board and also individually as Murids based on the constitution and Farmans. I refer to the farmans I have quoted. You can do so individually and collectively as a Board based on Farmans and also the Quran (where there are no specific farmans)
ii. Do you accept that farmans I have quoted which oblige you to as Leaders and a Board to intervene and assist in serving the Jamat, and also ensure and seek accountability meritocracy; answerability, competence etc. I also refer to the GJ Farmans which I have quoted from where the Institutions have been asked by Hazar Imam to act collectively as one body so that the Jamat do not have to go to individual Boards to seek and get information, support assistance and indeed Farmans or our full constitution. I refer to the 68 reasons and Farmans I have quoted.
b. That authority to intervene rests with solely with Hazar Imam.
i. Can you let me have the relevant Farmans and documents in coming to this conclusion.
1. Has not Imam delegated this authority to our institutions and the Boards and each Board has rules including to intervene and remove Leaders
2. Does not the Law of the Land supersede our constitution and you say you take the Law of the Land into account too. Under that law are you not individually and collectively as a Board not also responsible and obliged to intervene legally, morally and ethically. Please see the farmans I have quoted to you.
c. ICAB Role under section 14 of the constitution - you say this relates to a specific mandate
i. The role of ICAB is as a Judicial Body. Equivalent to a court of Law. Therefore and under the Law you must intervene and act when you know or suspect the law of the Land or the constitution which include Farmans have been is breached or broken. Please confirm or let us know why you do not consider the law of the land or Farmans
ii. In consideration of my complaint you are obliged to consider all the Farmans of Hazar Imam. Please confirm.

Thank you for the Information. I hope you will see my request for further and better particulars as well meaning to understand and these are in accordance with Farmans of Hazar Imam including the 68 reasons and Farms to share and work together.

I look forward to hearing from you. As always I am happy to meet and discuss with the Leaders and or our Boards, as Hazar Imam wishes and says in Farmans.

Kind regards and Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub Chatur

Dear All , Ya Ali Madad ,

I NEED to Analyse on Two Comments , as , Two Points , as mentioned below ,

( 1 ) I can not allow posts that
On April 13th, 2013 librarian-umed says:
I can not allow posts that blame the whole leadership or one of our institution for the failure of few people... unless all of the people in that particular institution are weakening its respect.

It is not wise to criticise institutions when we all know few people can be the problem and all the others thousands are just honest people willing to serve selflessly.

If there are only very few members in an institution and you have specific prove or documents allowing you to say the whole group is corrupt, than please share.

For example, LIF is a very big group with lots of people from different background so one can not put all of them in the same basket by criticising "The" institution. On the other hand, ICAB would be a handful of people where 1 vote could change the respect that the Jamat has for the institution. Some members are mistaken, some are misled and some are doing the misleading. That happens all over the place in all the institutions.

reply Canada

( 2 ) POOR YOUTH ELDERLY ...
On February 4th, 2013 Bloglaw (not verified) says:
President of Canada shared the following guidance - Farmans from Hazar Imam with the Janat as a part of the vision for the next 10-15 years.

" The jamat and community must learn to build an ethos of working for their collective needs in a cooperative way by building jamati institutions and capacity, AND not waiting for Councils and ITREB to come up with 'programs' to meet community needs. Groups (can be professional or just those with common skills or interests) can become proactive to form committees to meet needs that they see existing in the jamat to address issues of the poor Murids who are reluctant to reveal their predicaments AND ARE marginalised, youth marginalization, elder care, immigrant needs etc. on a volunteer basis. .."

We have not heard about from our Leaders or from Focus or AKDN ?Regarding the Golden Jubilee Goal for the poor and the vulnerable. What have they done in last 5 years !

Is Hazar Imam saying that the Jamat has to work together between themselves and share between themselves and not wait for the councils and AKDN or the councils ?

Do not the Leaders not realise what Hazar Imam is saying and when President of Canada is sharing this does he not realise what Imam is really telling the Leaders. They need to reflect on what Imam means and do they not sit with our Scholars and interpret the guidance & Farmans of Hazar Imam

reply United Kingdom

Point no. (1) : Dear Umed is very much right in deciding , that , certain comment/s do not deserve to be posted here , being blaming only on leaders in general , without any specification/s , because , Umed might have found , this site , as ' Used ' to blame and blame and blame ......only , and , that also of Unknown Reason/s , best known to Writer/s only , but , it could not be beyond Understanding Capacity of Dear Umed also ,

Point no. (2) : Some are Blaming here repeatedly , that , some Particular Leaders are not Following Farmans of MHI , as if , the Writer himself , is very much Following Farmans of MHI , .....here is a comment , Comment No (2) , put , by one , who is Regular Writer here , .....now , as per his say , when MHI says to form committees , ( MHI has not said , that , on which level ? , it could be at International Level also ) of Individuals - Ismailis , other than Appointed Leaders , .....then , can such Committees be Formed , without Consultations between Ismailis - Individuals , ......and , could Ismailis do any Consultations with Other Ismailis , by Hiding Themselves from Other Ismailis ? , ....is it Silent or Confidential Guidance of MHI , in this Guidance ? , to Hide Your Self and Work in Jamats - for Jamats ? , .......i had put my name address , as well as , E Mail ID also , since begin , ....who others have done so? , so as to be Consulted or Contacted ? , ..........sorry , ....for Any Trouble to Any Individual/s ....of my this ' Saying '! ,..... There is a ' Saying 'in Gujarati , that , Gandi Sasre Jay Nahi , ane , Daahi ne Sikhaman De ke Sasre Jaa , ......means ...... Mad Woman Would Not Go at In-law's..House ,... and ....Would Advise Wise Woman to Go to Inlaw's House , .....there is too much guidance available in jamats - with jamats , what Jamats Need is Works for Jamats , at all levels , to be done by Leaders , as well as , by Individual/s or Group/s of Individuals , and Works for Jamats - of Jamats , can Not be Done by Hiding Identity , and so , ....then , ' Hiding Identity ' is not a Highest Level of Hipocracy only ? , .....Jamat/s are now Fed Up of ' Guidance without Works ' from Leaders , as well as , Individual/s , ...ya ali madad .......!

Are you telling Mr Shafik Sachedina and Dharamsey to do what Imam and Allah are telling you to do ? . Read what Allah and Imams are telling to you to do !

""And if two parties of believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them."

"And if one party of them doeth wrong to the other, fight ye that which doeth wrong till it return unto the ordinance of Allah; then, if it return, make peace between them justly, and act equitably."

"The believers are naught else than brothers. Therefore make peace between your brethren and observe your duty to Allah that haply ye may obtain mercy."
Qur'an 49:9-10
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"The charity which Allah loves the most is the peace re-established between quarrelling parties."

Hazrat Ali
Among the footnote commentaries of Mir Ahmed Ali in his translation of the Holy Qur'an.

"Do not separate yourself from your brother unless you have exhausted every approach in trying to put things right with him ...
"Do not be harsh with your brother out of suspicion, and do not separate from him without first having tried to reason with him ...
"Seek reconciliation with your brother, even if he throws dust at you."
Hazrat Ali
The Sayings and Wisdom of Imam Ali, ed. S. F. Haeri, Muhammadi Trust of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, 1992
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"Where conflict exists, one must procure a mediated solution. Everything we do should be in the sense of preventing situations from becoming conflicts."

His Highness the Aga Khan's 2008 Paroquias de Portugal Interview"

Letter sent to Shafik Sachedina, A Dharamsey. ICAB, NCABS and Leaders; The lawsuit was filed 3 years ago to the day.

Subject: Re Shafik Sachedina and Abdulla Dharamsey – Is following not a mockery of Farmans, our constitution or our faith. If not please clarify.

1 ICAB and NCAB (UK) are so far saying, Shafik Sachedina and Dharamsey are above our constitution, and Farmans.
a. Imam says all Ismailis are equal in his eyes and in the eyes of Farmans and our constitution. (The constitution is a Farman)
b. By putting Dharamsey and Sachedina above or beyond our constitution or Farmans;
i. Are you not making a mockery of our constitution and Farmans ?
ii. Equally are you not insulting and disrespecting Hazar Imam ?

2 Sachedina threatens and bullies Nagib. He then files a Lawsuit on 6th April 2010. He does not follow what he says Imam told him to do (To discuss with other Leaders in order to resolve this internally - evidence in court )

3 Dharamsey threatens, bullies and he then files a complaint with NCAB against Nagib and Alnaz in June 2010 (with no evidence). NCAB accepts his complaint. (No other Ismailies have filed any complaint against Nagib or Alnaz)

4 Dharamsey revokes his Bayah to the Imam in 2009. Sachedina refuses to deny or clarify the constitutional process followed after Dharamsey revoked his Bayah or the emails.
a. On the other hand Dharamsey says “... I humbly make it clear from the outset that my interest is as a reverent disciple and devout follower of The Aga Khan...” Why did Dharamsey even think about revoking his Bayah, let alone sent the emails and then have discussions.

5 Dharamsey says he will collar Sachedina if he has proof of forgeries. He has 3 forensic experts reports. This is what he says “If Nagib and his cronies can prove this, I promise to pull Shafik's 'syrup' off inside Jamat Khana, and post the photographs on the Internet within 24 hours...” He files no complaint against Sachedina!

6 Dharamsey says he works closely with Sachedina (DJI and S Moledina), in tracing, bullying, threatening and marginalizing selected murids. For example Zina Khan. Sachedina does not deny this.

7 A complaint against Dharamsey is refused by NCAB UK because they say he is not an Ismaili. Without asking for or considering any evidence or having a hearing. Paradoxically ;
a. NCAB Canada accepts Dharamsey’s complaint against others because they accept he is an Ismaili.
b. A clear contradiction, when both NCABS fully aware of the facts and consulted ICAB, who were also fully aware.

8 Dharmsey calls ITREB Chair UK a moron and likens her back to a Syrian Tank. He questions her competence and abuses her family. She files no complaint against him. He files no complaint against her.

9 Dharamsey calls the President of UK all sorts of names and AD likens his Leadership to the "Mafia". President files no complaint against Dharamsey. Who also files no complaint against him?

10 Dharamsey calls Vice President of UK a sex predator and circulates many emails and allegations. Vice President denies but informally. He does not file a complaint against Dharamsey. Dharamsey does not file a complaint either.

11 Dharamsey insults the Family of the Imam (Hal Al Bait). On the other hand he claims he is a “reverent disciple and devout follower” of the Imam.

12 Dharamsey calls M Keshavjee names and questions his competence. He files no complaint and M Keshavjee files no complaint either.

13 Dharamsey makes allegations against Alwaeza R Hunzai that she is selling books by N N Hunzai which Hazar Imam has said must be made available to the Jamat

14 Dharamsey makes allegations against N N Hunzia regarding him kissing women’s feet. (Similar to Pope recently). He files no complaint against Allama Hunzai. The Institution does not file a complaint against him. He threatens and bullies those who read and share his books which Hazar Imam has confirmed to be shared in a Farman. ITREB Chair M Poonja and Sachedina marginalize and exclude them like for example Alwaeza Rashida.

15 Shafik refuses to print books by N Hunzai which Imam has asked in a farman confirmed by Sachedina for the Books to be printed by IIS, and that knowledge to be made known widely in the Jamat. Another clear example of not following Farmans , and not doing what Imam says specifically in a farmans.

16 Dharamsey says his Global Ismaili Forum now with some 45000 Ismailies has the approval of Hazar Imam and from Sachedina.
a. Shafik has not denied this.

17 Dharamsey has threatened me, and Zina with death and inciting and or calling on others to do so. He says Sachedina – DJI has personal scores to settle with Zina. Sachedina has not denied this.

18 Dharamsey calls Nagib and Alnaz, Kafirs, cult, and advocates violence and hatred against them. They have as a result suffered violence and threatened with death. (as you know)

Can you please clarify and explain. I will be happy to discuss each of the above with you in more detail. I hope you will be discussing these which are a part of my evidence. M Keshavjee and Azim Lakhani are blameworthy for also, not sharing and following Farmans or our constitution. The above is in addition to the evidence and submissions

I hope in your consideration you will do what Hazar Imam is saying, and asking us all to do in Farmans, and in our constitution which is also a Farman.

M Chatur

AS RECEIVED

Letter sent to Leaders and the Jamat ! You decide who is following and sharing Imams Farmans, and who is going against Imam’s Farmans ?

Subject: Instructing role of Shafik Sachedina in the lawsuit – The truth - do you know ? ... AJ's disclosures are contradictory...

It is very fortunate that Nagib and Alnaz did not submit expert evidence to the court of the “real meaning”, of Mehmani, to counter the misrepresentation by Shafik and Aziz Bhaloo who deliberately misled the court by at best omission or being economical with the truth. Very fortunate, because all the ground realities and the truth about Shafik Sachedina and those involved would not have been fully discovered or known by our community and Leaders down the line.

Brian Gray in his email to A Dharamsey obviously considers him to be a Leader , blessed by Shafik, and his Global Ismaili Muslim forum as an Ismaili organization. That is why he appreciates the support and interacts with Dharamsey, who says he is close to Shafik.

Brian Gray will know that I and Shafik were discussing a settlement with Nagib. This went on for a few days and with verifiable calls. Meanwhile Salim Jiwa the journalist running the online "Vanvouverite" published a story on court documents which he could have only got from Shafik or Brian Gray. Shafik denied he authorized and blamed it on Gray and said Gray should not have done this. Shafik apologised to me and he said he spoke to Brian Gray . He said Gray had written a letter to Salim to withdraw or print a correction. Salim he said refused. Shafik read to me the letter he said Gray had sent to Salim. I asked him to let me have a copy to share with Nagib. He refused saying it was sensitive.

I did not trust Shafik also because he had earlier told me only Imam and Imam personally through Carnegie was giving instructions to Gray. Here he was talking to and instructing Gray directly regarding a settlement. Later came more proof. Grays email below to Mr Dharamsey re- confirming Sachedina's instructing role in this lawsuit.

As you know I have filed a complaint against Shafik, Dharamsey, Azim Lakhani and M Keshavejee, in accordance with the process in our constitution which Shafik and others did not follow. For example Shafik did not consult other Leaders, NCAB or ICAB. He said he was asked by Imam to do on 30 March 2010. He said M Manji he thought had Spoken to Imam and we know LIF Azim Lakhani did not draft , but allowed the 2 LIF misleading and unilateral announcements sent by Shafik ( who said Imam was dictating to him when he was catching a nonexistent flight - (see my emails on this flight )

My complaints are going through our constitutional process. The full constitution is also being blocked by Shafik. After this process ordained BY Hazar Imam, I, and others will be considering legal action in the UK and EU courts.

As you rightly said Imam respects the law, and so does our constitution which is also a Farman. I appreciate Mr Gray is a top lawyer and paid handsomely for his services and he will have covered himself and his firm “legally” on who is the plaintiff and who gave him the original instructions to file the lawsuit on about 30 March 2010, or was it earlier ? Read the time line below. I will be grateful if anyone including Gray or Sachedina, who knows, can clarify or fill in the missing facts. Let us see what happens in court on 15th April in Ottawa. I look forward to reading the documents.

Kind regards and Ya Ali madad
M Chatur

TIME LINE TO THE START OF THE LAWSUIT ON 6th April 2010

4 Jan 2010

a. Nagib writes a letter and offers the book of Farmans free of Charge, to all Jamat Khannas.

16 Jan 10

a. LIF makes an announcement which was sent by Shafik to be read in all Jamat Khanna’s saying the book was not authorised etc
b. Azim Lakhani (Chairman of LIF)
a. He did not call the Nagib to discuss or verify the facts
b. He did not read Nagibs letter of 4 Jan 2010
c. He did not view the Mehmani Video in 1992, or read earlier editions of the books by Nagib since 1992
d. He did not verify the facts with Hazar Imam or national Presidents of Canada, Kenya or UK
e. He did not even prepare the LIF announcement nor was It presented to LIF formally as a Body to consider
f. This is unconstitutional and against the wishes of Imam in farmans
g. This announcement was then widely emailed and circulated by SS. leading to misinformation, death threats, and also violence against Nagib and Alnaz.
h. Dharamsey circulated this to 45000 Ismails on his database and made false allegations (He then filed a complaint to NCAB Canada in June 2010 – before all the evidence was even filed in court– No other Ismaili has filed a complaint against Nagib or Alnaz under our constitution nor have any of the constitutional Boards )
c. This announcement was headed as a joint announcement by the National Councils, and ITREBS.
a. The Chair of ITREBS and Presidents of Councils did not verify the facts or talk to their local NCAB or the Mukhis.
b. The constitutional Boards processes were not followed.
c. NCAB and ICAB were not consulted or involved constitutionally or as a part of the internal process ordained by Hazar imam.
d. There was no dialogue initiated by any leaders or our constitutional national or international Boards with Nagib Tajdin or Alnaz Jiwa.

24 Jan 10

a. A scanned letter from the Imam was emailed by SS to Nagib who then requested a meeting with Hazar Imam to seek clarification.
b. Sachedina thwarted attempts by Nagib to speak to, or meet Imam to seek clarifications.
c. Nagib was concerned and instructed forensic expert’s reports, which concluded that, the signature of the Imam, was not an original signature and was therefore a forgery.
d. Nagib decided to confront Shafik (as Imam wishes us to do in Farmans)
17 Feb 10

a. There was a telephone conversation between SS and Nagib.
b. Nagib informs SS about alleged forgery.
c. SS is angry, and makes threats to ruin Nagib and he is very aggressive and shouting (as we know he does)
d. Everyone knows how aggressive and arrogant SS has become since 1992.
e. Nagib requests SS to do the following in this conversation;
a. To show to the Imam the sealed letter from Nagib to the Imam dated 4 Jan 10.
b. To show to the Imam the scanned letter which SS sent to him with a forged signature, and tell Imam the truth.
c. Inform the Imam that he (SS) has made a mistake and to seek forgiveness from the Imam.
d. Nagib assured SS that if SS does that, then Nagib will close this matter and work together going forward.
18 Feb 10

a. In less than 10 working hours!
a. A second letter is sent by Dr Sachedina from Hazar Imam.
b. This is a serious and an unprecedented issue and situation. Imam considers all issues in detail and has given directions for all Leaders to do so by consensus and by consultation
b. The tone, style and content of the letter were not that of Hazar Imam but that of Shafik.
c. Did SS speak to, and explain to Hazar Imam, all the truth of what had transpired including, the claim of Forgery, the mehmani, no discussions with other leaders, Mukhis NCAB ICAB etc.
d. If SS had the truth, would Hazar Imam ever write or authorise a letter to be sent within 10 hours, to Nagib in that tone, style and content which similar to the tone of SS in an earlier conversation.
e. No meetings and dialogue by any other leaders whatsoever with Alnaz or Nagib.
f. Nagib writes to Prince Amyn thinking Hazar Imam may be informed and will respond. He gets a letter which causes him more concern.
g. Nagib asks and gets a forensic experts report on the letter from Hazar Imam.

30 March 10

a. SS says under oath that on about 30th March 2010, he was directed by Hazar Imam to discuss this issue amongst the leadership. He did not.
b. SS says Lawyers were not instructed to prepare or file a lawsuit at this stage.(30 March 2010)
c. SS says he discussed this only with MM, who he thought, had spoken directly with Hazar Imam. Why only MM and no one else. He went against a direct instruction of Hazar Imam.
d. SS says the lawyers were instructed by Hazar Imam (via Carnegie)
e. 30 March 2010 was a Tuesday. That was the Easter week.
f. Allowing for Easter long weekend there were 3 working days to instruct Lawyers (which usually in a normal case takes a few days at least.
g. In a high profile international and unprecedented case this takes at least 4 /7 working days. Especially as SS claims this lawyer is new and was not used before and instructions were coming via another lawayer in France ? Carnegie ?
h. Then to do the due diligences, drafting, affidavits, gathering evidence, interviews, research, in a case where the clients are global and a lawsuit which is high profile and is unprecedented.
i. Therefore from Wednesday 31 March 2010,
a. did MM, SS, Hazar Imam AB, MM and Carnegie and the new Firm all clear all their diaries to focus on this case?
b. Did lawyers have a full 24/7 team, with 24/7 access to SS, MM. AB and Hazar Imam?
c. This would be necessary to finalise and file by Easter Monday 6th April 2010
j. Doing all this and filing a lawsuit within one working day? (This is totally unbelievable, and beyond the realms of reality)
k. This was the Easter week.
l. We now know that SS has or will have given authority to give instructions to Gray who accepts them
a. So when was the first instruction given to Gray and
b. Was this personally by Hazar Imam?
c. In what form are those instructions?
d. What kind of institutional delegated authority has been given to the Leaders under the constitution and to Gray?
m. There is no question that SS did not tell the truth or the whole truth under oath. He will have decided with others much earlier than 30 March to instruct lawyers and to file the lawsuit. (Will tell us when and what instructions were given and by whom

6 April 10

The Lawsuit was filed in court by Gray. The Lawsuit surprising includes Alnaz Jiwa.
a. There has been no contact whatsoever with him by SS, MM, AB or any other leaders or any notices before action from Gray.
b. SS on 15th Oct 2010 said he had not met Alnaz and thought he was running a website ?
c. Why would Hazar Imam agree to include Alnaz ? If Imam was the plaintiff and would have asked what efforts were made to discuss and settle this (as Imam said on 15th Oct 2010)
d. Why would Imam file a Lawsuit and then on 15th October offer annotated Farman’s and allows all those who have the book to retain them. (we know also the 6 facts and 68 reasons/Farmans)

11 April 2010
a. SS informs the Leadership in London that the lawsuit was filed by Hazar imam
b. He and instructs everyone not to discuss this lawsuit, or the issues in the Lawsuit, because he said Hazar Imam has directed him and them, not to because Hazar Imam is personally handling this lawsuit.
a. That is not true. Why does he then discuss the lawsuit?
b. Why did not LIF tell the Leaders but him?
c. This is in direct conflict with the 2nd LIF announcement of 15th April 2010 which 4 days after the Leaders meeting in London. LIF announcement says
i. That they will keep the Jamat informed. Imam has authorised them.
ii. Hazar Imam has authorised the publication of Farmans (which have not been published)
d. We know SS is instructing B Gray (I personally from him, and the email and interaction with A Dharamsey, and what Imam said on 15th October 2010 (see what Nagib and Alnaz say)

From: Abdulla Dharamsey globalismaili@gmail.com
To: Global Ismaili LIF Chair Dr Azim Lakhani
Cc: INC Canada President Mohamed A Manji; Head of DJI Dr Shafik Sachedina

Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011, 0:11
Subject: Re: The Aga Khan v Tajdin, Jiwa and Others----- Forwarded Message -----

From: Gray, Brian
To: Abdulla Dharamsey ajdharamsey@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 20:19
Subject: RE: The Aga Khan v Tajdin, Jiwa and Others
Dear Mr. Dharamsey,

Thank you for your e-mail. ,

Under the circumstances I have respectfully to decline to answer your questions. However if you would like me to ask His Highness or Shafik Sachedina if I have permission to speak freely to you, I would be happy to do so, or of course you are free to make this request yourself.On a personal note, I do appreciate your support and I am sure that Mr. Sachedina also appreciates it, considering the comments that are often levelled against him by the defendants.

Brian W. Gray
Norton Rose OR LLP
Barristers and Solicitors
Patent and Trade-mark Agents
Norton Rose OR LLP / S.E.N.C.R.L., s.r.l.Royal Bank Plaza, South Tower, Suite 3800200 Bay Street, P.O. Box 84, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA M5J 2Z4

NOTE: NOW I HAVE SIMPLY SHOWN SOME EXCERPTS WHICH I WANT READERS TO FOCUS UPON...AND SO THE ENTIRE EMAILS OF THE PARTIES HAVE NOT SHOWN AS WHAT IS IRRELEVANT TO MY REBUT HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED...
__________________________________________________________________
From: Abdulla Dharamsey [mailto:ajdharamsey@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: August 31, 2011 19:50

To: Gray, BrianSubject: The Aga Khan v Tajdin, Jiwa and OthersFAO: Mr Brian W. Gray, Senior Solicitor for His Highness The Aga Khan

Dear Sir
Without Prejudice

... may I humbly make it clear from the outset that my interest is as a reverent disciple and devout follower of The Aga Khan and, in my capacity as the Founder and Honorary Chair of the Global Ismaili Muslim eForum, with over 32,500 worldwide email recipients.

Although, running a Forum of this calibre is also governed by our Holy Constitution; according to Mr. Shafik Sachedina - The Aga Khan's Communal Representative, the eForum was granted 'tacit' approval by your honourable client, after the convocation ceremony held at University of Cambridge in England, where he received an Honorary Doctorate of Divinity in June 2009.

Yours faithfully
Abdulla J. Dharamsey
Founder / Hon Chair: Global
Ismaili Muslim
eForumTrustee: The Al Hussein
Shi'a Heritage Foundation
Alumnus: Al
Azhar University - Classical Arabic and Islamic History
Paddington
London, UK
PS: Please accept my best wishes on becoming part of the world renowned Norton Rose Group

And then you made attempts to influence the defence lawyers - see evidence !

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: GIM eForum
Date: 30 November 2012 02:19
Subject: Does Excommunication beckon for your clients - Nagib Tajdin (Quebec)
and Alnaz Jiwa (Ontario)?
To: Solicitor to Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa - Alexandre C Archambault of Robic LLP
Cc: Senior Legal Adviser to The Aga Khan - Brian Gray of Norton Rose LLP

FAO: Mr Alexandre C Archambault, Robic LLP

Dear Sir

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
It has been brought to my notice that the above mentioned Defendants have appointed you as the so called 'specialist lawyer' to combat the "kuku paka" cult - a derogatory and deprecating reference to our pacifist and law abiding religious community, by one of their handful of alleged agitators and dissenting radical supporters, who refers to himself as Ms 'Zina Khan' - but is most likely a Tanzanian born US National called Mr Aziz R Hasham (63) from Carrollton, Dallas - Fort Worth Metroplex, Texas, USA.

We hope that after exchanging relevant correspondence with the Plaintiff's Solicitors, you will offer your clients appropriate legal advice, and make purposeful and reasoned submissions, if the court grants expressed consent at any rescheduled hearing of the motion, set down in Montreal for next Monday, 3 December 2012. More importantly, we would be relieved if you can bring an expeditious end to this embarrassing legal wrangle irrespective of the final outcome.

Ever since H H The Aga Khan, a British Subject and an Honorary Canadian Citizen, and rather significantly our Spiritual and Temporal Leader, instigated court proceedings against two of his OWN 'followers' in the Canadian Courts in Mid 2010, the matter has been causing extreme anxiety to and immense concern, disquiet and unease within our devout and diverse Global Shi'a Ismaili Muslim Community.

However, during the course of preparing the case for your allegedly misguided, imprudent and injudicious clients, please bear in mind that as the spiritual followers, we have made oath of allegiance (Bay'ah) to The Aga Khan and thereby testified his resolute and steadfast authority over us. As such, it precludes those from among us, who remember and understand the implications and consequences thereof, to refuse to make oath but readily affirm to tell the truth, if and when they appear in any court of law.

Furthermore, by virtue of his office and in accordance with the faith and belief of the Ismaili Muslims, The Aga Khan as the present, living, true and manifest Spiritual Leader (Imam) enjoys full authority of governance over and in respect of all religious and communal (Jama'ti) matters of the Ismaili Muslims.

Ultimately and as a last resort, those from within who bring the community into dislike, disrepute, ridicule and odium, may according to "The Constitution of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims" as amended, be subject to immediate excommunication without any recourse - an absolute humiliation, indignity and degradation!
Yours faithfully
Abdulla (Abby) Jan Dharamsey
Hon Chair: Global Ismaili Muslim eForum (Founded September 2005)
Former Voluntary Administration Officer - Metropolitan Police Special Constabulary, UK
cc: Consulting Solicitors

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In a message dated 02/04/2013 2:10:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, globalismaili@gmail.com writes:
> Ya 'Ali madad
>>
WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>
>>
>> Re: Washington Post Blog..
>>
>> Off the record, Zina Khan is not a woman but someone known to me, with whom our hierarchy appointed by Mawlana Hazar Imam and the Secretariat allegedly has many personal scores to settle.
>>
>> 'He' and another Chhodu called Mahebub 'ABU ALAM' Chatur have been harassing LIF, ICAB and NCAB Canada and UK respectively, because I have REFUSED to withdraw my Official Complaint to NCAB Canada against Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa - the Two Kafiroons from Ontario, Canada who were personally sued by Mawla in 2010!
>>
>> They even threatened to have Hazar Imam be held in contempt of court, if Mawla had not presented himself into the court's jurisdiction on 15 October 2010. Later that day, Mawla was the principal guest at The LaFontaine-Baldwin Lecture in Toronto!
>>
>> All along, Nagib (without the support of Alnaz who is a Solicitor and liable to be struck off for lying) has been suggesting that Shafik Sachedina was the instigator of court proceedings and that, he had conspired with others at the Secretariat and "lifted" Mawla's signature and thereby committed forgery. If Nagib and his cronies can prove this, I promise to pull Shafik's 'syrup' off inside Jamat Khana, and post the photographs on the Internet within 24 hours!
>>
>> During my last telephone conversation on 22 December 2012 with Brian Gray - Senior Partner at Norton Rose, Solicitors, Mawla's Lawyer made it absolutely clear that he was taking direct instructions from His Highness The Aga Khan and not Mr Sachedina!
Kind regards
>>Abdulla J Dharamsey - 'The Global Askari'
>> Hon Chair: Global Ismaili Muslim (GIM) eForum - Founded September 2005
>> London, UK
bcc: Dr Mahmoud Eboo - Chair Ismaili Leaders' International Forum(LIF)
>> Dr Shafik Sachedina - Head of Department of Global Jama'ti Institutions (DJI)
>> Mohamed Manji - Former President INC Canada
>> Malik Talib - Incumbent President INC Canada

786
Umed, could you possibly explain what the docket (see below) is saying? Thank you in advance!
Ya Aly madad.

http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?...

Roshan, (part of AKDN), today announced it has secured funding from the International Finance Corporation (IFC), a member of the World Bank Group, to support the rollout of the company’s 3G and high speed data services throughout the country. IFC will provide Roshan debt financing for the amount of $65 million. The company directly and indirectly employs 41000 people. How many are Ismailis is not known. Accounts of Roshan are not availabe to the community.

What Hazar Imam says, “ Towards better governance. A third caveat that AKDN considers central is that social and economic institutions, including civil society, should be governed by the concepts of transparency, meritocracy and competence.. As we work to encourage the development of a stronger human resource base, we also work to discourage practices which impede and distort meritocratic processes. civil society,

The CEO of Roshan is Karim Khoja for the last 10 years. His brother in Law is Firoz Rasul (AKU Chairman). and they with Noordin Nanji (ICAB) and Malik Talib (President Canada) have been involved in Exi Wireless Inc. The CEO is Malik Talib. The previous CEO was Karim Khoja who is now the Chairman. K Khoja is Director of Jumptap Inc.

Dear All , Ya Ali Madad , Dear Cello had asked me to clarify more on second point , i require to clearify , on ,
my second point , that ,
there are some here , who all the time , sends Dignosis Report only , each by each disease ,
......this leader is like this disease , that leader is like that disease ,
.......i do agree ,...... number of diseases ( leaders ) are there , but , how long you will discuss on dignosis of diseaes only , what about treatment then to be done ? ,
if no treatment done , then , you are interested in direct " post mortem " only ?! ,
if you not having proper treatment with you , and , where there is requirement of Major Operation , then , do not give , simple colourful pills only , and , time pass , with saying , that , my treatment is going on , ....my trreatment is going on , ......don't worry ...... but , there is nothing except worry , in the way you are treating ,
there are some in jamats , who understand that only they are clever , .....and jamats - jamati members could easily be made fool on certain points - like on creation of some particular impression of some particular person/s on post , no problem , it i your right , you can , but , it should not be to such extnt , that , it may be smelling of some or other personsl revange ,
i dont mind for any ismaili , fighting for rights of jamats , against any leaders , ...go on till prblem ends ,
but , if there is any your personal griviencies , then , please don't give it a touch of jamati issue ,
.....and , if SS and Co , says , that , how ever we are ! , but , our Name and Identity are Open , before Jamats ? , then , why do you hide your identity before jamats , and , prove a Case of Double Standards only ? , then , what will be your reply ? ! ,
will it be only reply , that , yes , if + ( plus ) , then mine , if -- (minus ) then yours ?! ,
if you really wanted to serve the Imam and Jamats , then you did not need to hide your identity ! , otherwise you are showing difference in your own standards , or , otherwise , you allow others , to take liberty , to consider , that , what ever you are doing is not for Imam and Jamats ! , but of your own purposes ,
with remembering , SS and Co. , there should be some other activities also on hands , for jamats , by you , from you ,
i have also been criticizing SS and Co , but , it does not mean , that , daily , all the time , only same repetition and no any other suggestion/s or any matter of interests for jamats ,
....if .some body is weak may feel fainted of reading , such repetition ,
i have marked , if MHI's name were taken for that much time , instead of only SS and Co , then , definitely MHI would had heard it as special prayers , and , got so pleased , that , He might had solved out so many of problems - submitted , by concerned here ,
....i don't favor SSand Co. , i was there and i am there to criticize , on the point/s concerned , but , when you are lucky to have such and only Site here , then , it should have been used , for some other ways - jamati works also , in the interest of jamats ,
only criticizm of SS and Co , may help you , but , will not help jamats , and , more important is , how you do some thing , that , SS and Co is compelled to see you !,
but , if one thinks , that , i alone and alone , no body to overtake me , and , you continue writing - blaming SS and Co. , and , writing on SS and Co. to CABS, only , and , expecting others also , to do the repetition of his blaming and writing to CABS , and , doing nothing else , does not mean anything ,
when we are on such board here , on this Site , eyes of the jamats and of course leaders , are on this Only Site - easily availble and available to read , write and reply , tripled facility , and know , as to what happens next ? ,
jamats , which are in frustatations , since decades , and , are expecting some thing concrete workings - results , from those here who makes submissions here , and , the ways adopted , should not be such , which does not create any effect on leaders , at local or international ,
in india , after our submissions in meetings , not all done as demanded , but , under the effect of some compulsions , there has started reformations , some such more and effective improvements in local - national administrations , beyond expctations of jamats , and , affecting in probably all JKs, by different boards - councils , particularly ITREB , DJT , CABS , National Council , etc . that , jamats are feeling better than earlier , and , that is our Main Aim , not only aim of continuing blaming ,
and , i am hopeful , it will continue , and , i and others with me are on the way to see , that , administration by leaders , will conitnue to be improved , in the way only , as , MHI wishes , and , no body , may be SS and Co , could stop it ,
and leaders in india , know very well , that , this is india , and , there is no alternate except getting submitted to jamats in india , or , ....or , they know , what jamats in india can do ?! ,......if SS and Co. , co - operates to jamats , it will be better for them also , that , they will be welcome by jamats , and , if does not , then , it will not make any difference in activities here , for jamats ,
some results are there and some better - more results will be there , .........ya ali madad .........!

In 1992 Hazar Imam in a Mehmani accepted the book of Farmans and said to continue the good work. Nagib did what Hazar Imam said, shared Farmans and also information on this website. Yes ?

In 1992 Hazar Imam made the following Farman and approved the ITREB mission statement,. Have ITREB and IIS done and are now doing what Hazar Imam has asked them to forsee and do.?

"..The second question is within that vision of the younger generation, one generation from now, two generations from now, what are the questions that they will be asking? They will be asking first of all, how do they relate to our Tariqah? And therefore they will be asking, what is the essence of our Tariqah and are we able to articulate the essence of the Tariqah in a language which is a language that they will understand, not having been born in our traditional societies, never having seen them, never having been exposed to them, how will they sense their position within our Tariqah? (Dinner in Vancouver, August 25, 1992)

Latest Reply by NCAB UK - They say they want to make the process more transparent and clear - Will they now provide the rules, the constitution and Farmans ? Will they clear the confusion & questions below?

From: Nazmin Kassam
To: gafoor111@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Complaint against Abdulla J. Dharamsey of London UK

Dear Mr Jaffar,

I write further to previous correspondence. We have recently received a number of complaints, in various formats, pursuant to Article 14 of the Constitution. In order to simplify the process and make it as clear and transparent as possible for the Applicants and the Respondents, we are currently finalising our proforma documentation.

We apologise for the consequential delay in dealing with your application but following a prescribed procedure will be in the interests of all parties and we believe will save further time in the long run.

I shall write to you again shortly and provide you with the necessary information and documents with which to progress your matter.

Kind regards
With warm regards,

Nazmin Kassam
Tel: 01923 828 091
Mob: 07808 783 810
Email: nazminkassam@gmail.com
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From: Gafoor
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:09 AM

Ya Ali Madad Nazmin,

Thanks for the update.

I am a little confused with some of the issues you have mentioned. Can you please shed some light on the following:

1. New Formats for the Complaints - Does this mean that I will have to refile the Compliant?

2. Does this mean that all the Complaints that have been filled with NCAB will have to refiled?

3. How many Complaints fall under this new Format and how far back are you going back? Who approved these Formats and why?

4. Am I going to get the response that Mr. A. J. Dhramsey has filed to my Compliant? If he has, can you please forward it to me. Please do so before you reach any decision as I may have to rebuttal.

5. Am I going to get the last Constitution in full that Imam has signed that was never distributed to the Jamat? And is this the Constitution you will be using to base your ruling? Where and when this Constitution was signed?

6. Has there been any changes to the last Constitution that Imam has signed? What are those changes and were these changes approved by the Imam? Any Farmans or correspondences that shows that Imam has approved the changes?

7. Please also provide all the Rules & Regulations of NCAB and are these all approved by the Imam?

I will have more questions for you as I need to understand your process as this info has never been shared to the Jamat.

Kind Regards,

Gafoor Jaffer

Dear All , including Yasmin , Kanize , Abdullah , Nato Moez , Murad , Pakifellah , and , particularly Umed , and , Others , if i forgot to mention their names from here , who have recently , gone in depth of caves of frustations only ,
finding no solutions of jamati problems , and , no results of any activities here , as this site is the only source of inspirations and hopes here , as MHI wishes ,
still , at least , they have dared sometimes here , in writing frank opinon , on the Jamati Issues , discussed here ,
ya ali madad ,

This is , what i have Studied - Obsereved , since years , from the behaviour/s , of our Both Side - Leaders ,
( i may be wrong also , but , i think , i need to write it ) ,
that ,
There are Two Types of Leaders of Jamats / for Jamats ,
(1) Leaders , who are Appointed by our MHI , directly or indirectly , on any post , any where ,
who in their common strugle/s , against Jamats - Jamati Members , who are fighting for rights of jamats , at any level , ......leaders have joined their hands , at all levels , for the purpose , that , at any cost , the raising of voice/s of jamat/s - any jamati members , must be depressurised , any where , in any form/s , at any time , and , that also , by (mis)using unlimited jamati fund/s , collected , illegally from world - jamats itself , and , which fund is meant for jamats only , but , to be used against jamats - jamati members ,
and , then they want to testify , how long Jamats - Jjamati Members , could coninue their fight for right , against leaders ?! ,
they know jamats are not united at all , any where , at any level , and , could never unite also ,
as , those who pretend to Lead - Guide Jamats , to fight for right , are , doing everything , in self orientation programs only , and , misleading jamats - jamati members , in their personal intrests only , which , jamats are never to understand , and , so we are all , not at all , worried till then , ...till , such so said ( self appointed ) leaders continue making foolish jamats - jamati members , at local - international level , just to serve their own - personal interests , but , introducing in the name of jamats only ! ,
(2) Leaders from within Jamats only , ( including me ) , not appointed by MHI , not appointed by Jamats , in short , self - appointed only , who are capable enough of making a show and creating an atmospere , that , they are leading Jamats , at local - international level , but , in fact , who are , never really interested , in general well being of Jamats , in any Aspects , at Any Level ,
and , because , they could do nothing , of their own , they are instigating indirectly others to do something such , that , SS and Co . is blamed all time , by all here , and , no any other programs , in the interests of jamats at any level , and , as if , waiting for a day only ,by making opposed through so many here , SS and Co . is becoming out of Aiglemont Office , and , Me and Co. , could come in Charge of Aiglemont Office , so , that , thereafter , i could do Some Thing - Some Good Works of Jamats - for Jamats ,
i dont think , that , this site is meant to oppose SS and Co. only , and , no other programs - work/s in the intersts of jamats , at any/all levels ,

they mean to say , that , see , i have been writing , thousands of e mails , to our international leaders , but , they do not respond me at all , and so no results at all , ...so , now you all try to do some thing , directly or indirectly , and , then after , i will see , that , credit of doing everything such , comes to me , that , SS and Co. is Out , and , Me and Co, is In ,
they are not doing , what they are actually required to do , and , daily probably , same and only one record , ......SS and Co. .is like this , .....is like that , ......nothing else , .....no program submitted , actually Guiding the Jamats , at any level , that , what jamats are required to do , under the guidance of MHI ? , so that results , at least ,some results are there

they mean to say , .....i try to make understood this thing to Jamats , indirectly , since years , by , writing so many posts in different - different , unidentifiable names , but , it is You - All Jamats , that , do not understand this Simple Thinking and Aim of Mine ,
they mean to say ..........i hope All Jamats , Now Understands Me and My Aim and allows Me and Co to do SEVA of Jamats , at All Levels , by doing Something Such , that , i could take Possession of Aiglemont Office , whether , MHI , is in favour of doing so , or , not ?! ,

they mean to say ,.........and , i don't know , why MHI does not remove SS and Co. , and , why do not appoint Me and My Co. , in place of SS and Co.?! ,........ for which purpose , i am working , hard - hard - hard , since years ?,

they mean to say , .........i wish you all every success , in doing , what i want to get done , by you , for me , in the interest/s of you all .............! ,

they mean to say , .....N.B :- i think some regular participants of past here , have understood , my original aim , and , that is why , they have either stopped writing their posts here , but , i think they should support me , and , continue , writing here , in favour of me ,
........... thank you .....ya ali madad .......!

Dear Mr Nanji;

Rules and regulations of ICAB, our constitution and Farmans.

I refer to your letter dated 25th March 2013. Can you please clarify the following and let me and the Jamat, have the following information;

1 The document you sent to me was created on 24th April 2010. The author is “Islessor”. This is immediately after the filing of the lawsuit against Nagib and Alnaz on 6th April 2010. Can you therefore please;

a. Let me know the reasons,

b. Let me know the full name of the actual author, location, and his/her position. who prepared this PDF document,

c. Let me know if there is any connection with the lawsuit

d. Confirm that before you sent this PDF to me, ICAB verified that it is an exact replica of the original, signed by Hazar Imam.

e. I trust you agree that my request to verify is reasonable, and critical because of the complaints and evidence you have received.

2 The ICAB rules are dated 13th December 2003, and refer to the 1986 constitution (preamble A). At that date, the latest constitution was 1998 not 1986.

a. Please confirm if this was an administrative or a typing oversight. If so, was this notified to Hazar Imam and or corrected since December 2003.

b. Please advise the date when these rules were prepared and approved by ICAB for submission to Hazar Imam.

i. And, were there any annotations by Hazar Imam.

ii. Were these read in all Jamat Khannas after December 2003

iii. They were not given to the Jamats. Please correct me if I am wrong.

iv. These rules and regulations are a farman, as defined by Hazar Imam. Please confirm

3 Under these rules, ICAB members can remove any member of their Board by a majority vote. (Under Clause 9.2).

a. Therefore for example

i. In your next meeting if 2/3rd of the members present were to vote to remove/suspend any Member, or even you, they can do so; and

1. They can without any reference to Hazar Imam. Please confirm

2. They without even informing Hazar Imam after the event. Please confirm

b. In these circumstance what is the process of appointing a new member and a Chairman ?

4 Hazar Imam has the sole authority to prescribe rules and regulations under the constitution.(Under Preamble B);

a. Please confirm that “all” rules and regulations under our constitution of ICAB have been prescribed by, and signed by Hazar Imam. Please confirm that this is also the same for the following. If not please clarify;

i. ITREBS

ii. National Councils

iii. ICABS

iv. NCABS

v. other constitutional Bodies and Boards

b. If all are not prescribed and signed by Hazar Imam, then please let me have a list of

i. those which have been prescribed and signed by Hazar Imam, and

ii. those which have been prescribed and signed by ICAB, NCABS, the relevant Boards and constitutional bodies.

c. Clause 14 gives authority to ICAB to prescribe/prepare and issue rules and procedures to give effect to the rules and regulations. There is no mention of informing or approval by Hazar imam.

i. ICAB does not need to inform or consult Hazar Imam under this clause. Please confirm.
ii. Please let me have copies of all the rules and regulations (procedures) ICAB has issued under clause 14, since1986

5 Did Hazar Imam prescribe and sign any other rules and regulations of ICAB before December 2003 ?. If so please provide copies. I assume none were prescribed and signed by Hazar Imam, after December 2003. Please confirm

6 Can you please confirm or clarify the following appointment process of ICAB Members .

a. 60 days before the end of term, ICAB (as a Board) submits to Hazar Imam;

i. The names of the present members and

ii. 4 names in order of preference, for each current member (2 of the names must be lawyers. The other 2 names must be respected senior members of the Jamat)

iii. Therefore

1. For 2 members who are lawyers. 8 names of other lawyers in order of preference are recommended and submitted by ICAB

2. For the other 4 members. 16 names of respected senior members of the Jamats are recommended by ICAB in order of preference

3. Is the above correct. If not, please clarify.

4. Please advise the process for the Chairman.

a. Are 4 names given for a new Chair

b. Are the 4 names given, include

i. 2 lawyers and

ii. 2 respected senior members of the Jamat.

5. Please advise the definition of a “senior & respected” member of the Jamat.

a. What is the ICAB process of requesting and selecting and or shortlisting the names,

b. Are the Jamat involved, and

c. who decides the order of preference.

b. Please also confirm or clarify the following regarding new appointees.

i. There is no mention of an end of term report to be presented to Hazar Imam. (Like by Councils ITREBS etc)

ii. There is no mention of any beginning of term or annual meetings of ICAB with Hazar Imam.

iii. Are new names sent to Hazar Imam via the Secretariat and or DJI.

7 ICAB under clause 3.2 has powers and duties to issue rules of procedure and practice directions for ICAB without any reference to Hazar Imam what so ever;

a. Can you please let me have copies of all the rules under this clause, and

b. confirm that these rules are not prescribed or signed by Hazar Imam

c. Confirm that all NCAB rules and procedures/regulations are prepared and approved by ICAB, without any reference to Hazar Imam and without the need for consulting NCABS and or The national Councils/Presidents

8 Under clause 8 of these rules dated December 2003;

a. all the retiring members are asked hand over the files and records to the new members appointed.

b. on the other, all the files and records are held and kept by the Chairman. “The Chairman shall be in charge of and responsible for the safe custody of all correspondence, files and records of the International Conciliation and Arbitration Board”

c. Please clarify the correct process which is followed in practice.

I trust you will agree that my requests, including feedback, is constructive, reasonable and this is what Hazar Imam wishes us all to do. (I refer you to farmans of Hazar Imam regarding the role and responsibilities of Murids and Leaders regarding our constitution)

I look forward to hearing from you at the earliest.

Kind regards. and Ya Ali Madad.

Mahebub

Shocking but sadly true - How many more Cases and which countries ?

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Thank you Layla. Farida arranged a cooker herself. What you have offered and what Farida did, shows your Love, for Hazar Imam, and for your brothers and sisters and for the ethics of our faith.

Hazar Imam says in Farmans “in serving the Jamat, you are serving your Imam” Therefore if anyone is disrespecting the Jamat, they are also disrespecting Hazar Imam. And if they disrespect Farmans, they are showing no respect for Hazar Imam, or for the Jamat.

What also touched me deeply is the generosity of Mohammed and Rubbina who offered their Microwave for Roshan & disabled mother. Mohammed and Rubina have very little, and are living in a Van in UK . Thank you both.

I am pleased to confirm President Mawji has arranged for UK Council to pay the deposit/advance rent for Mohammed and Rubbina. They are now looking for accommodation. Their Mukhi has also spoken to them, and offered support.

President has also assured me that Ismailies who are homeless, helpless or vulnerable will be given assistance and support by our institution. Therefore I hope, all Mukhis, Welfare Boards, and EPB will immediately be given new directions, not to say to any Ismaili , that there are no funds to help Ismailies who are homeless, helpless or vulnerable.
Mahebub

From: Rajani Layla [mailto:layla1936@gmail.com]

Sent: 24 March 2013 01:26
To: M Chatur. Farida Keshavjee
Subject: Re: Another Ismaili Disabled mother - No cooker and helpless ! What happened !

Dear Maheboob and Farida

In this case I am ready to help this lady and buy a cooker for her
Layla Rajani

On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:40 AM, M Chatur wrote:

Dear Farida

Thank you . I am also concerned why in your case our institution did not help a very poor family with a disabled mother to get second hand cooker in London. Knowing they were desperate. Knowing you are an ex Mukhiani.

We are right to be very concerned. Hazar Imam wishes us to give feed back, critique, and to seek and share. That should be embraced and welcomed by all Leaders. I hope you like others will not get told off, and marginalized.

There is no reason why in your case our institutions refused to help. Shiraz Kabani agreed they should. But then he did not bother to do anything about it otherwise Mohammed and Hima would not be sleeping in a small Van in UK ! We know there are budgets and resources. These are for the Jamat not Leaders ! Right Shiraz ?

Farida, they could if they really wanted to , and if they did what Hazar Imam is telling them to do. They are sadly not.

Maybe in your case down the line the committee were told to say there are no funds , when in fact there are. Maybe President or Vice President was not told or not told the truth. Like in the case of Mohammed and Rubbina. They need to investigate what happened, and those responsible must apologise or Resign.

The root cause is that the committees, the Jamat and even Mukhis are not aware and not informed. Even Farmans are not only not explained but they are told not to explain them. The Jamat is beginning to realise and is waking up.

Hazar Imam himself informed us in London GJ - but that famous sentence was deleted from the Farman, and sadly laughed off. Most Leaders and the Jamat did not realise. They believed the Leaders like Shafik Sachedina, Zauhar Meghji, Mahmood Poonja. Mohammed Keshavjee, and of course Azim Lakhani. They said Imam was thinking in French , and or tired, and or did not mean what Imam said and Azim said yo me it was in a different context - I asked him why choose to delete and not explain the context ? He had no answer - Right Azim ? Where are Imams annotations on that Farman ?

Hazar Imam gives all the funds back to our institutions to spend for the benefit of the Jamat and has given priority to the Jamat and especially for the poor, disabled, old and vulnerable ISMAILIES.

Azim Lakhani has been controlling substantial GJ budgets given for the Jamats. He should understand, because he has a disabled daughter, but sadly he too is only interested in himself, his family and his inner circle of Top and very rich Leaders. Right Azim ?

Our (the Jamats) total institutional-constitutional budgets run into billions of Pounds. The UK Jurisdiction Jamats budgets, and assets of all our constitutional bodies and companies runs into over many hundreds of millions of pounds (excluding the kings cross development at about £500 million!.

And yet, they don't want to give even £200 as a loan to that Ismaili family woth a fisabled mother, to buy a second hand cooker to cook food for them? How shameful! This is equivalent to a dinner for them. I hope President, and Mukhi's will not allow this to happen to other Ismaili Families in the future.

All Mukhis, Kamadias, Warzeens, IIS , ITREBS, and Jamat must be given the following. Hazar Imam wishes us to have and to know. Read the attached if you have any doubts.

1 The local budgets

2 The National budgets

3 The Global budgets

4 All the full Farmans with the Imams annotations

5 The full constitution and all the related rules and Farmans

6 All the Ginans, qaseedas , and all material available on them globally

7 All material books and information on all our rites & practices, available and hidden or blocked and not shared.

8 Annual and tri- annual national reports and budgets, prepared and submitted to DJI for the Jamats.

Everyone needs to reflect and also read the attached reasons and Farmans. Then they must take the next important step , and do what Imam says not what the Leaders concerned are saying.

Hazar Imam wishes us all to share and to seek and to also expect information and support from our institutions, including accountability, humility, transparency, answerably competence and generosity. Where is any of this ?

Leaders from the very top to the bottom need to share and implement the Famans and wishes of Hazar. Especially to support our brothers and sisters who are very poor, homeless, helpless, very old, handicapped and or vulnerable.

Thank you again for sharing, caring and offering to help. Let us all ask ourselves, have I done what Hazar Imam has asked me to do ? and if not , from now I will do what Imam has asked me to do- (from a Farman).

Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub

From: Farida Keshavjee [mailto:faridakaye@hotmail.co.uk]

Sent: 22 March 2013 13:15
To: Mahebub Chatur; Amawji@uk.ey.com; Vice President Alwaez Shiraz Kabani; 'Liakat Hasham'; Zul Hassam; Zulfikar Hassam; Noordin Nanji Chairman ICAB; Salima Bhatia; Nazmin Kassam Chairman NCAB UK; Qahir Manji; Vazir Azim Lakhani EX Chair LIF; Mohammed Keshavjee
Cc: 'Mukhi Salim Janmohamed'; firozachatur@hotmail.com; 'Rubbina Shaheen'; 'Aniza meghani'; mohamood.jumani@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: RE: Will you HELP ? RE: Homeless Ismaili couple living in a small van UK

Dear Mahebub

Thank you for copying this email and feel sad for the plight Mahmood and Rubina are experiencing today.

I would also like to mention that recently I was involved in a case whereby an Ismaili family (with a disabled mother) needed help of £200 to purchase a cooker. I approached a member of the AKSWB (Social and Welfare Board), and was told that they do not have any funds and that I should approach an Umedwar! Needless to say that I was very disappointed by this response and feel that for such an enlightened Community we don't really help people financially who have fallen on hard times!

If I can be of any assistance please let me know.
Farida

Letter from ICAB - Noordin Nanji with my response and futher requests..

From: Mahebub Chatur [mailto:mahebubchatur@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 March 2013 08:08
To: Noordin Nanji
Cc: M Chatur; Azim Lakhani; Mohammed Keshavjee; Abby Jan Dharamsey; Shafik SACHEDINA; Nazmin Kassam; Amin Mawji; Shiraz Kabani; Mukhi Salim Janmohamed; Salima Bhatia; Qahir Manji; Nagib Tajdin; Gafoor; Alnaz Jiwa; Mansoorali Noorani; Zinat Khan; Firoza Chatur IP 4 Uk; Aniza Meghani; Farhad Daftary; Sheni Dossa Chair NCAB Canada; cfc@talib.ca
Subject: Re: Appeal against Shafik Sachedina, A Dharamsey, M Keshavjee and A Lakhani Questions

Thank you.

Are you able to tell me when is the next ICAB Board meeting and or, will my Leave to appeal and my requests for information be addressed by, you personally, and or an ICAB core executive committee, and or ICAB administrative officers - EO.

I want to understand the process.

Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub

Where are the Golden Jubilee Goals ? Where are all the funds to help homeless and poor Ismailies ? Read this email and Reply.

On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:32, Rubbina Shaheen wrote:
Dear Presidendsaheb
Ya Ali Madad
You probably have been informed by Sikander Somani about my situation. I think from our conversation,some months back, your out look was I should pack it all up and the various departments will see us through.

The answer is there is NO GOVERNMENT dept will help us as we are not VULNERABLE Since the 11th February 2013 we have been HOMELESS and the local housing dept has no obligation to house us.

I am writing to you because I am thinkiking of asking approx 300 ISMAILIS, if they can come up with £500.00 and payable with interest on a monthly basis. The IDEA may seem silly but I want to see if this is possible as well as see which angels can come up with the sum.I REPEAT I AM NOT LOOKING FOR FREE HAND OUTS.

I also am again saying WHY THE INSTITUTIONS CANNOT HELP. Now I am being asked who is your COMMUNITY
AND WHERE ARE THEY. WHAT AM I TO ANSWER. I HAVE WRITTEN TO A COUPLE OF NEWSPAPERS AND AWAITING THEIR REPLIES.

My question now stands WHERE ARE OUR INSTITUTIONS AND WHAT HELP HAVE THEY GIVEN.WHAT ARE THE AIMS AND OBJECTIVES OF EVERYONE IN EVERY COMMITTEE ?? AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF MUKHI/KAMADIA.
Today I feel that as AN ISMAILI WHERE IS THE COMMUNITY. At the end of the day it is the SOUL that matters. The body gets its RESPECT? in any RELIGION. So what is it about ISMAILISM when NO INSTITUTION CAN HELP.What is the purpose of paying respect to the dead body when in person nobody was there for help.

THIS IS HOW I FEEL THERE IS NOBODY TO HELP IT IS JUST TALK TALK.

We are still homeless and if you feel that time permitting to yourself I would be delighted to gain your views.
Regards
Mohamed hami
cc Vazir Dr Shafiq Sachedina
Mehboob Chattur

REPLY

Thank you. Can you please let us know your position in more detail. Please feel free to call me or my wife.

Our institutions have budgets, Boards and committees. Ismailies who are poor and homeless are a priority for our Institutions to assist with now full time paid staff. Hazar Imam has said Murids must not be passed from one board to another and frustrate those in need.

I discussed this with our Vice President recently and he assured me there are committees and Boards in UK , with budgets to help those especially very poor and homeless.

Where our institutions don't want to or cannot help , we as Ismailis should get together and help each other. Are the Local Mukhi Shahebs aware of your situation?

Frankly I am shocked to learn that in UK our institutions are not helping a homeless Ismaili, knowing you are homeless since 11 February ? And you have been in contact with our institutions well before that ?

By a copy to our Leaders I am asking them to let me know.
Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub Chatur